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US troops are being stationed in Poland, Romania and other Eastern European countries as a direct response to this. It is quite literally sending troops to help Ukraine, not sure how you are managing to spin an alternate version of a blatant reality here. Deploying the military is more significant than the baked potato having ‘tough words’ for Russia.

The troops are sent to those countries as containment. Romania and Poland are in NATO and Europe in general feels directly threatened. They are allies and doing nothing is also a decision with consequences just doing something is. The world has decided that the Ukraine is not worth engaging a nuclear power like Russia for but Poland, Romania, and the rest of Europe are. The line has to be drawn somewhere, where would you draw the line for a Russia engagement? Should we let them continue on to Poland, Romania, Germany and France if they want? How about Canada and Mexico would they be worth a response or is it America first until the end?
 
Here is an interesting comment I stole from Reddit from someone who seems to know more about the details than I do.

A lot of people don't understand the dynamics of what is really happening here.

NATO has a policy of not taking in members that are currently in a civil conflict. Which makes sense because then political parties in conflict could leverage NATO to settle their own disputes, and put NATO in a difficult position of picking sides. Not to mention countries who are a part of NATO need to demonstrate democratic agency and stability.

Ukraine has been in civil unrest for decades now, primarily because Russia infiltrated Ukrainian politics (with the help of a certain Paul Manafort...) to destabilize the country and create a separatist movement to drive it towards Russia. Ukraine has managed (in the past decade) to create new accountability laws and rout out corruption, defeating a lot of the bad actors and fighting back for its democratic sovereignty.

The Russian infiltration went from being political active to rebel terrorists and have been fighting Ukraine for a while now, hence delaying its membership with NATO. Recently, Ukraine has finally managed to almost totally destroy the rebels. Which is why Russia is terrified; with the rebels ousted, Ukraine can finally join NATO.

So while Zelensky does have a point (somewhat), he's also trying to thread the needle between quashing the Russian terrorists (and achieving a "relatively stable status") and Russia's oncoming invasion. It's like kicking out your abusive roommate, slamming the door, and demanding your local club quickly make you part of the peace-maker's association while he's still banging at the door. Which is very tricky for NATO to do, for obvious reasons (not least of all being nukes).

This is a very VERY summarized version of events, taking out a lot of nuances, details, context, intentions, and key people so take it with a huge grain of salt. But it's a general idea of why NATO is being cautious. Which, frankly, they should be.
 
Here is an interesting comment I stole from Reddit from someone who seems to know more about the details than I do.
Ah yes, Paul Manafort, one of the shitbags Trump pardoned, because why not.

For some reason I think Russia has infiltrated American politics as well. Especially from 2016-2020. It certainly succeeded in destabilizing and dividing the country.
 
Ah yes, Paul Manafort, one of the shitbags Trump pardoned, because why not.

For some reason I think Russia has infiltrated American politics as well. Especially from 2016-2020. It certainly succeeded in destabilizing and dividing the country.
Dont like the guy but I recall Romney stating russia was the immediate challenge.
 
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Ah yes, Paul Manafort, one of the shitbags Trump pardoned, because why not.

For some reason I think Russia has infiltrated American politics as well. Especially from 2016-2020. It certainly succeeded in destabilizing and dividing the country.
“For some reason”?
 
US troops are being stationed in Poland, Romania and other Eastern European countries as a direct response to this. It is quite literally sending troops to help Ukraine, not sure how you are managing to spin an alternate version of a blatant reality here. Deploying the military is more significant than the baked potato having ‘tough words’ for Russia.
Who is the baked potato? I know who Mr. Potato Head is but I'm unfamiliar with the baked potato. Love them things with a good steak dinner and some sauteed mushrooms.
 
Fake hillbilly JD Vance told felon Steve Bannon that US is only going to war against Russia because Russia opposes transgender rights.
Except US is not going to war against Russia and Russian government opposes all civil rights, not just trans people.
But who needs facts?
 
Hmmmmm.........

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60448162

Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Evidence suggests Russia is planning "the biggest war in Europe since 1945", Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.

He told the BBC's Sophie Raworth in an interview: "All the signs are that the plan has already in some senses begun."

Intelligence suggests Russia intends to launch an invasion that will encircle Ukrainian capital Kyiv, Mr Johnson said.

"People need to understand the sheer cost in human life that could entail," he said.

The prime minister was speaking from Munich, where world leaders are meeting for an annual security conference.

The latest estimates by the US government suggests that between 169,000 and 190,000 Russian troops are stationed along Ukraine's border, both in Russia and neighbouring Belarus - but this figure also includes rebels in eastern Ukraine.
 
https://www.businessinsider.com/rus...ndrew-want-ukraine-war-distraction-2022-2?amp

Russian state TV claims the Queen, Prince Charles, and Prince Andrew are pushing for war in Ukraine to distract from scandals at home


  • Russian state TV claimed Sunday that UK royals want war between Ukraine and Russia as a distraction.
  • Host Dmitry Kiselyov made a far-fetched link between the conflict and scandals around Princes Charles and Andrew.
  • Russia has amassed 150,000 troops at Ukraine's border, with the US warning of an imminent invasion
 
https://www.businessinsider.com/rus...ndrew-want-ukraine-war-distraction-2022-2?amp

Russian state TV claims the Queen, Prince Charles, and Prince Andrew are pushing for war in Ukraine to distract from scandals at home


  • Russian state TV claimed Sunday that UK royals want war between Ukraine and Russia as a distraction.
  • Host Dmitry Kiselyov made a far-fetched link between the conflict and scandals around Princes Charles and Andrew.
  • Russia has amassed 150,000 troops at Ukraine's border, with the US warning of an imminent invasion

I wonder how American state TV will respond?
 
Putin to recognise breakaway Ukraine regions

Why does the West fear this move?

As Putin continues to deliver his address the nation, let's consider why Russia recognising the independence of two self-declared breakaway regions in Ukraine could be significant.

It goes beyond sanctions - which the EU has threatened to impose if Russia follows through with this.

Western powers fear such a move could be used as a pretext for Russia to invade its eastern neighbour.

That's because, since 2019, Russia has issued large numbers of passports to people living in the two regions.

Analysts say that if Donetsk and Luhansk were recognised as independent, Russia might send troops into Ukraine's east under the guise of protecting its own citizens.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795
 
Putin to recognise breakaway Ukraine regions

Why does the West fear this move?

As Putin continues to deliver his address the nation, let's consider why Russia recognising the independence of two self-declared breakaway regions in Ukraine could be significant.

It goes beyond sanctions - which the EU has threatened to impose if Russia follows through with this.

Western powers fear such a move could be used as a pretext for Russia to invade its eastern neighbour.

That's because, since 2019, Russia has issued large numbers of passports to people living in the two regions.

Analysts say that if Donetsk and Luhansk were recognised as independent, Russia might send troops into Ukraine's east under the guise of protecting its own citizens.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795

He just ordered troops to be sent there on "peacekeeping duties"
 
Little green peacekeepers.

Heh.

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US Gas Exporters Set to Benefit After Germany Halts Russian Pipeline.

"There are always those who will want to profit from war or the threat of war, as unscrupulous as it may seem," said one critic. "And for the American oil and gas industry there is no exception."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...-benefit-after-germany-halts-russian-pipeline

Now that Germany has officially pulled the plug on the Russian pipeline, U.S. fossil fuel corporations—along with Cruz and other members of Congress who are heavily invested in oil and gas companies such as Houston-based Enterprise Products—stand to profit further from increased liquefied natural gas (LNG) exports to Europe, an ongoing trend that is likely to intensify amid the conflict in Ukraine.

I used bold font for the most disturbing part of this quote. Members of congress are profiting off of this conflict. That is disgusting. It should also be very illegal, as it is a direct conflict of interest. You cannot call for peace in a situation that you yourself, may very well, directly benefit from the outcome.
 
I don't really see how congresspeople owning oil stocks is a big conflict of interest here. Congress has very little to do with starting, or ending, the war in Ukraine. I'd rather congresspeople not be allowed to own individual stocks at all - but if we aren't going to do that, there are much bigger conflicts of interest to worry about. In the Ukraine case, defense stocks would seem to be a bigger issue than oil.

barfo
 
I don't really see how congresspeople owning oil stocks is a big conflict of interest here. Congress has very little to do with starting, or ending, the war in Ukraine. I'd rather congresspeople not be allowed to own individual stocks at all - but if we aren't going to do that, there are much bigger conflicts of interest to worry about. In the Ukraine case, defense stocks would seem to be a bigger issue than oil.

barfo

I mean, geez, or you could hold interests in Halliburton.
 
I don't really see how congresspeople owning oil stocks is a big conflict of interest here. Congress has very little to do with starting, or ending, the war in Ukraine. I'd rather congresspeople not be allowed to own individual stocks at all - but if we aren't going to do that, there are much bigger conflicts of interest to worry about. In the Ukraine case, defense stocks would seem to be a bigger issue than oil.

barfo

The mainstream news outlets in this country, the same ones jizzing all over your television screen right now at the mere prospect of a conflict, they have some high-dollar sponsors that may lend some credit to this kooky theory of yours.
 

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