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Hoopguru said:
Putin wants Eastern Ukraine east of the river that runs through Kiev down to ports. My Neighbor across the street is from Crimea been here about 12 years. He's Russian but no way a supporter of Putin, he's the one that believes he after Eastern Ukraine.
He mentioned the Ukrainian people are like his brothers and they would fight an insurgent war that Putin would not want to deal with in the whole country, but he could handle the eastern border once they are land locked. Wants those shipping ports.
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At think at this point he wants all of Ukraine so they will not have a base to fight against him in any parts he occupies.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Only one madman has brought us to the brink of world war.
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Only one is on the offensive, that is true. But to say he simply attacked for no reason is short sighted. When a sociopath repeatedly threatens to attack, with a list of reasons, it may be worth looking into and not putting your people at risk by completely blowing it off.
 
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BTW, I just got banned from Facebook for 24 hours; I think cuz I showed a video of Ukrainians stepping over a dead Russian and removing his sidearm. I commented on it that this is what Putin has done to all of us, deadened our humanity. Anyway here are the latest numbers. inflated of course but verified numbers still showing Russians taking losses at double the rates of Ukrainians.
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UKRAINEFAN said:
BTW, I just got banned from Facebook for 24 hours; I think cuz I showed a video of Ukrainians stepping over a dead Russian and removing his sidearm. I commented on it that this is what Putin has done to all of us, deadened our humanity. Anyway here are the latest numbers. inflated of course but verified numbers still showing Russians taking losses at double the rates of Ukrainians.
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There are few things in life worth fighting over. It's up to us to figure out what those are and what is truly important. When you figure out what those are you better be willing to go all in or you will most certainly lose the few things you hold dear.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
BTW, I just got banned from Facebook for 24 hours; I think cuz I showed a video of Ukrainians stepping over a dead Russian and removing his sidearm. I commented on it that this is what Putin has done to all of us, deadened our humanity. Anyway here are the latest numbers. inflated of course but verified numbers still showing Russians taking losses at double the rates of Ukrainians.
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Yeah there are certain things that automatically throw up red flags. Understand this country has a number of problems it has been dealing with as well.
You can contact them and try to get it lifted but in the end usually the 24 hours is shorter than the time it takes to get action. Remember though, when you post in the future try to avoid more bans. They tend to get longer the more times it happens. Try blotting out or diminishing the pictures a bit in the future maybe. Yes war is ugly but the robots reading your post don't know the difference between your post and an episode on the streets in any major city.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
There are few things in life worth fighting over. It's up to us to figure out what those are and what is truly important. When you figure out what those are you better be willing to go all in or you will most certainly lose the few things you hold dear.
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Absolutely. Ukraine may very well be one of those things worth fighting and dying for (if you’re a Ukrainian).
 
jonnyboy said:
Absolutely. Ukraine may very well be one of those things worth fighting and dying for (if you’re a Ukrainian).
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It's the democratic country in its 30 year infancy, they are willing to fight Putin for. And thats what drives Putin insane.
 
jonnyboy said:
Absolutely. Ukraine may very well be one of those things worth fighting and dying for (if you’re a Ukrainian).
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I'm of the opinion that if the US were to engage, it wouldn't be primarily for the purpose of defending the Ukraine, but for the purpose of opposing tyrannical imperialism. The Russian governmental authorities appear to be a malignant cancer threatening the health of the entire planet, and though we've already begun the radiation therapy of economic sanctions, an admittedly undesirable war may unfortunately be precisely the chemotherapy required absent a better option.
 
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Fairly-Hard said:
Trolling
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come on now, people can have opposing views and it doesn't make them a troll.
You aRe going to run into people with different thoughts on war and government. Because one doesn't agree, doesn't make them a troll.
Johnny is not for going to war for other countries or for the Ukraine, in this instance, it seems.
He isn't alone in that thought. Many people feel we should be more concerned about our own here in the states.
Just saying. An opposing view does not define a troll.
I bet you both have things you would agree on if you both can curb the insults and just discuss things, regardless of viewpoints.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Notice the lack of basic competency writing the message. Not trying to make the biggest point spelling but just overall lack of education. This man is highly respected by his peers. He spent years in and out of prison. He actually created one of the largest white supremacy gangs in the nation. He is not stupid by any means. His father was the president of a rather large Biker Club. I'm leaving the names off because many of you may actually know this man and the clubs I'm speaking of. In recent years he has been clean and sober and has now created a new club based on a band and the music he writes. That band is named after Thor's Hammer. This is a real thing that many people just don't understand is happening. It IS HAPPENING in this country.
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Hmmmm

Lack of overall education...
Spent years in prison.....
Created white supremacy group.....

I'd say those facts prove that he IS stupid.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm of the opinion that if the US were to engage, it wouldn't be primarily for the purpose of defending the Ukraine, but for the purpose of opposing tyrannical imperialism. The Russian governmental authorities appear to be a malignant cancer threatening the health of the entire planet, and though we've already begun the radiation therapy of economic sanctions, an admittedly undesirable war may unfortunately be precisely the chemotherapy required absent a better option.
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At some point the world needs to stand up against tyranny.
 
Orion Bailey said:
come on now, people can have opposing views and it doesn't make them a troll.
You aRe going to run into people with different thoughts on war and government. Because one doesn't agree, doesn't make them a troll.
Johnny is not for going to war for other countries or for the Ukraine, in this instance, it seems.
He isn't alone in that thought. Many people feel we should be more concerned about our own here in the states.
Just saying. An opposing view does not define a troll.
I bet you both have things you would agree on if you both can curb the insults and just discuss things, regardless of viewpoints.
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An opposing view is one thing. That's fine. Cool.

But, to repeat the same thing over and over and over is trolling.
 
Chris Craig said:
An opposing view is one thing. That's fine. Cool.

But, to repeat the same thing over and over and over is trolling.
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ive read the thread. He is not repeating over and over any more than anyone else.
Show me several posts with the same sentences from him.
i question your judgement on this.

and if this is the criteria for a troll, repeating things over and over than, you and i and damn near every poster here is a troll. just read the coronavirus thread and see how many posters repeat the same things over and over.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Hmmmm

Lack of overall education...
Spent years in prison.....
Created white supremacy group.....

I'd say those facts prove that he IS stupid.
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I know this man and no he isn't stupid. Uneducated does not mean stupid. Being brought up as the son of the president of a Motorcycle Club (AKA Biker Gang) puts people in positions that might otherwise be thought as tragic. Expectations can be very difficult to live up to?
As far as creating a prison gang. Well i guess you would have to understand prisons to understand what EK is. Creating one as powerful does not come easy.
Turning your entire life around and becoming not only clean but a mentor in the community after all of this is also no easy task.
When you are talking about a way of life "Facts" get rather fuzzy.
 
Orion Bailey said:
ive read the thread. He is not repeating over and over any more than anyone else.
Show me several posts with the same sentences from him.
i question your judgement on this.

and if this is the criteria for a troll, repeating things over and over than, you and i and damn near every poster here is a troll. just read the coronavirus thread and see how many posters repeat the same things over and over.
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He simply doesn’t like my opinion, that’s all. His judgement is way too skewed for him to moderate fairly or effectively. I’ve run into it time and time again with him.
If I was actually trolling he would moderate accordingly, but I’m not, so there’s nothing to moderate. I do notice other posters with nothing but insults continually being given a pass though.
 
Orion Bailey said:
ive read the thread. He is not repeating over and over any more than anyone else.
Show me several posts with the same sentences from him.
i question your judgement on this.

and if this is the criteria for a troll, repeating things over and over than, you and i and damn near every poster here is a troll. just read the coronavirus thread and see how many posters repeat the same things over and over.
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He came out saying people here want to send troops to Ukraine and that Ukraine isn't worth saving or fighting for unless you are Ukrainian and he has posted these over and over, and it appears aimed to rile other posters and not to further discussion.
 
jonnyboy said:
He simply doesn’t like my opinion, that’s all. His judgement is way too skewed for him to moderate fairly or effectively. I’ve run into it time and time again with him.
If I was actually trolling he would moderate accordingly, but I’m not, so there’s nothing to moderate. I do notice other posters with nothing but insults continually being given a pass though.
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That's why I removed insults used against you? Because I'm unfair? I moderate fairly to all here. No, I don't agree with all your opinions and that's ok. I can both moderate and express my opinions here.

I give no one a pass, if I see insults I remove them.
 
calvin natt said:
When your natural instinct is to somehow downplay Russias horrific crimes against innocent people, or justify it, or insinuate everyone is just being overly scared, or anything remotely close to it, something is wrong .
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Good thing I did none of those things. Nothing I said was false, you just don’t like to make your brain work any harder than it has to to actually analyze facts that are out in the open. If anyone dares suggest there’s more than a black and white explanation you shit yourself and scream treason. You are the exact demographic the media targets: Scared ass boomers who can’t turn off the tv for long enough to stop hyperventilating. Everything is the end times and you’ve actually been convinced war is the way out of it. Congratulations, ur smart.
And in regards to being a fucked up person, we’ve all seen your posts here. Disagreement generally equates to wishing death on said group with you it seems. I try to not go quite so hard in the paint.
 
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jonnyboy said:
He simply doesn’t like my opinion, that’s all. His judgement is way too skewed for him to moderate fairly or effectively. I’ve run into it time and time again with him.
If I was actually trolling he would moderate accordingly, but I’m not, so there’s nothing to moderate. I do notice other posters with nothing but insults continually being given a pass though.
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i preface this by making it clear im not responding Bout @Chris Craig but in general.

S2 has absolutely become a political arena and its clear most have taken a side and then show signs of echo chamber style thinking.

Once an individual takes a side, they are then compelled to defend others on their side even in the face of their side being wrong.

With that said, both sides tend to do this in todays world. Its just S2 is a site for a sports team in a very liberal region so most of the posters are liberal.. or left leaning.
The problem is the gang mentality.

There is a specific poster here who has never engaged with me except when they think they are putting me in my place or showing me where im wrong. And they think they are the golden child of posters or something, but its funny to watch thier pattern. This person just loves to engage when im already engaged with someone else. Pigpiling, trying to echo chamber the convo.

But, it is what it is. People gonna hate. People gonna be biased. People gonna stand up for like minds even when in the wrong. Its how most people work because they need that feeling of being a part of something. that feeling can supersede common sense rational thought.
 
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