Politics Ukraine / Russia (8 Viewers)

[jonnyboy]

Ex-Trump national security advisor John Bolton says 'Putin saw Trump doing a lot of his work for him,' so he chose not to invade Ukraine

• Former national security advisor John Bolton said "Putin saw Trump doing a lot of his work for him."
• Trump considered withdrawing the US from NATO while he was president.
• Bolton said it's one of the reasons that Putin did not invade Ukraine during Trump's time in office.

John Bolton, who served as President Donald Trump's national security advisor, on Wednesday said that Russian President Vladimir Putin didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was in office because "Putin saw Trump doing a lot of his work for him."

Bolton pointed to Trump's outspoken criticism of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the military and diplomatic alliance established in the wake of World War II.

"I think one of the reasons that Putin did not move during Trump's term in office was he saw the president's hostility of NATO. It was widely reported in American media," Bolton said during an interview with SiriusXM's Julie Mason. "And to Putin's mind, it's a binary proposition: a weaker NATO is a stronger Russia."

Bolton went on, "Putin saw Trump doing a lot of his work for him, and thought, maybe in a second term, Trump would make good on his desire to get out of NATO, and then it would just ease Putin's path just that much more."

Trump undermined NATO during his time in office. In 2018, he privately discussed withdrawing the United States from the alliance, raising concerns among national security officials.

Bolton, in remarks during a virtual event with The Washington Post on Friday, said that he believes Trump would have withdrawn from NATO if he had won a second term.

"I thought he put his foot over it, but at least he didn't withdraw then," Bolton said. "In a second Trump term, I think he may well have withdrawn from NATO. And I think Putin was waiting for that."

Bolton also told Vice last week that he doesn't think the former president would have stopped Putin if the Russian leader had invaded Ukraine while Trump was in office. His comments come as Trump has repeatedly said that Putin would never have invaded Ukraine had he been president and has criticized President Joe Biden over the US response to Russia.

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-putin-saw-trump-doing-a-lot-of-his-work-for-him-2022-3#

John Bolton needs to hear bombs dropping to achieve erection. His psychotic rantings don’t become legitimate just because he’s got a Trump beef.

 

[Road Ratt]

Biden: Putin is a war criminal.
Trump: Putin is a genius.

Any questions?

The first instinct of most people is to simply to trash the last president. That is laughably unoriginal.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

The first instinct of most people is to simply to trash the last president. That is laughably unoriginal.

Well to be honest most of us were trashing him well before he became an EX President.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

John Bolton needs to hear bombs dropping to achieve erection. His psychotic rantings don’t become legitimate just because he’s got a Trump beef.

 

[YamTastic]

So, with the US gearing up to arm Ukraine, and China ready to assist Russia, is this a proxy war between the US and China?

 

[calvin natt]

Bullshit. They are on the ropes in Ukraine and trying to recruit mercenaries from all over the world. Nobody is afraid of Russia anymore.

If nobody was afraid of Russia this would be over last week. People are afraid of a lunatic and his nukes.​

 

[noknobs]

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

The first instinct of most people is to simply to trash the last president. That is laughably unoriginal.

Says the guy who can only convey the thoughts and ideas of others (not his own) via one video after another…..and another….and another. Talk about laughably unoriginal…..just sayin’…….

 

[noknobs]

If nobody was afraid of Russia this would be over last week. People are afraid of a lunatic and his nukes.​

In my opinion, if he's willing to use nukes if NATO gets involved then he's willing to use nukes period, and we shouldn't continue to let this pathological liar prevent us from getting directly involved based on his threats. But I guess NATO is afraid.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

In my opinion, if he's willing to use nukes if NATO gets involved then he's willing to use nukes period, and we shouldn't continue to let this pathological liar prevent us from getting directly involved based on his threats. But I guess NATO is afraid.

There is something called “Giving him a way out”.
It would be prudent to not completely demoralize him to the point where he feels he must use them.
I agree we might be past that point but I do understand killing his invasion slowly might be best for the world in general.
Though probably not for Ukraine.

 

[Chris Craig]

 

[Natebishop3]

So, with the US gearing up to arm Ukraine, and China ready to assist Russia, is this a proxy war between the US and China?

Our shit is way way better.

 

[noknobs]

There is something called “Giving him a way out”.
It would be prudent to not completely demoralize him to the point where he feels he must use them.
I agree we might be past that point but I do understand killing his invasion slowly might be best for the world in general.

I guess I don't see Putin as taking a way out unless he gets a lot of what he wants. Today's speech when he said things like "Russian people especially, are able to distinguish true patriots from bastards and traitors, and we will spit them out.", and "I am certain that this necessary and natural self-cleaning of society will only strengthen our country", did nothing to persuade me otherwise. The more desperate he gets the more non-discriminate the bombing has become, why would that change as things continue? We're worried about demoralizing him? Giving him a way out instead of getting rid of him is not what's best for this world.

Though probably not for Ukraine.

And this is my problem. I understand countries don't want their own civilians to die but I don't think Ukrainian lives are any less valuable, and based on our actions we clearly think they are. Because this would not be our reaction if Americans were dying.

 

[Hoopguru]

So, with the US gearing up to arm Ukraine, and China ready to assist Russia, is this a proxy war between the US and China?

I would say yes if China indeed is supplying them arms. We are in proxy war with Russia that could be ww3 very soon.
The way Putin is talking now, and his concern about Neo Nazi's right wingers being a threat to Russian people, the only way he stops id if he's killed.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ukraine joins European power grid, ending its dependence on Russia

Engineers have linked Ukraine to an electricity grid spanning much of continental Europe, allowing the country to decouple its power system from hostile Russia, officials said Wednesday.

Belgium-based ENTSO-E, which represents dozens of transmission system operators in Europe, said the electricity grids of Ukraine and its smaller neighbor Moldova were successfully synchronized with the Continental European Power System on a trial basis.

"This is a significant milestone," the group said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-european-power-grid-russia/

 

[Phatguysrule]

The first instinct of most people is to simply to trash the last president. That is laughably unoriginal.

I've actually tapered way back on trashing Trump... Wish we could just forget him altogether. But that would be dangerous...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Tucker Carlson doubles down on Ukraine, calling support ‘the largest political flashmob in American history’
‘Our entire professional class dutifully changed their Twitter avatars from ‘mask up’ to the now mandatory Ukrainian flag’

Fox News host Tucker Carlson criticised the strong support for Ukraine from US civic, business, and political leaders, calling it “the largest political flash mob in American history”.

Mr Carlson compared it to the support for public health measures during the pandemic, such as mask mandates.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...carlson-ukraine-russia-flashmob-b2037054.html

 

[Phatguysrule]

I would say yes if China indeed is supplying them arms. We are in proxy war with Russia that could be ww3 very soon.
The way Putin is talking now, and his concern about Neo Nazi's right wingers being a threat to Russian people, the only way he stops id if he's killed.

He needs to be killed. Or at the very least "retired".

 

[jonnyboy]

I've actually tapered way back on trashing Trump... Wish we could just forget him altogether. But that would be dangerous...

Damn Obama.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

So, with the US gearing up to arm Ukraine, and China ready to assist Russia, is this a proxy war between the US and China?

China may not be supporting Russia:
"Assertions that China knew about or tacitly supported this war are purely disinformation. The conflict between RU and UKR does no good for China. Had China known about the imminent crisis, we would have tried our best to prevent it," PRC's ambassador to the US
They have also praised Ukraine for it's spirit.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[calvin natt]

Needs to be killed. Yes, killed, I know, it’s all I want.

 

[Phatguysrule]

 

[Natebishop3]

I never actually listened to Putin's voice...... it's not what I expected.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I guess I don't see Putin as taking a way out unless he gets a lot of what he wants. Today's speech when he said things like "Russian people especially, are able to distinguish true patriots from bastards and traitors, and we will spit them out.", and "I am certain that this necessary and natural self-cleaning of society will only strengthen our country", did nothing to persuade me otherwise. The more desperate he gets the more non-discriminate the bombing has become, why would that change as things continue? We're worried about demoralizing him? Giving him a way out instead of getting rid of him is not what's best for this world.


And this is my problem. I understand countries don't want their own civilians to die but I don't think Ukrainian lives are any less valuable, and based on our actions we clearly think they are. Because this would not be our reaction if Americans were dying.

Can't say i disagree at all. Like I said. "We might be past this point" I am simply just a spectator.

 

[crandc]

Tuckums us upset that sane people who backed public health measures are also sympathetic to Ukraine. In other words, he dislikes reason and compassion.

 

[ABM]

And this is my problem. I understand countries don't want their own civilians to die but I don't think Ukrainian lives are any less valuable, and based on our actions we clearly think they are. Because this would not be our reaction if Americans were dying.

All I seem to be hearing from some out there is effectively, "We love the Ukrainians, we really do. But, if we show force, or substantial help to them, look out. WWIII is upon us. Putin is that crazy."

Any truth to that in your opinion?

 

[Fairly-Hard]

All I seem to be hearing from some out there is effectively, "We love the Ukrainians, we really do. But, if we show force, or substantial help to them, look out. WWIII is upon us. Putin is that crazy."

Any truth to that in your opinion?

So what is your point here?