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So what is your point here?

Some say simply maintain sanctions, supply stingers, etc. and let Ukraine do their own thing. Others say supply MiGs, drones, and/or high tech weaponry, as to help them establish a no-fly zone, etc. The latter being, if and when that happens, we open the potential WWIII can of worms.
 
Some say simply maintain sanctions, supply stingers, etc. and let Ukraine do their own thing. Others say supply MiGs, drones, and/or high tech weaponry, as to help them establish a no-fly zone, etc. The latter being, if and when that happens, we open the potential WWIII can of worms.
So no real point. Just pointing out.
Yep. I agree.
 
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So no real point. Just pointing out.
Yep. I agree.

Yes, it was more of a question: You agree that, if we get too involved (i.e., help Ukraine establish a no-fly zone in any manner) Putin may go off the rails and ______________?

Why did Zelenskyy only address Congress and not NATO as a whole? I suppose that's a rhetorical question. Zelensky wants to give Putin the idea that Ukraine is not sidling up with NATO?
 
Some say simply maintain sanctions, supply stingers, etc. and let Ukraine do their own thing. Others say supply MiGs, drones, and/or high tech weaponry, as to help them establish a no-fly zone, etc. The latter being, if and when that happens, we open the potential WWIII can of worms.

Supplying the weapons to Ukraine shouldn't lead us into WWIII... it would be sending American or NATO forces into Ukraine that would/could start WWIII.
 
Supplying the weapons to Ukraine shouldn't lead us into WWIII... it would be sending American or NATO forces into Ukraine that would/could start WWIII.

What about the whole Poland, MiGs, no-fly zone scenario? Even if we don't send one soldier?
 
Holy smokes.... 4 generals....I can't even remember the last time the US lost a general in combat.

Western officials say that around 20 Russian generals were in Ukraine as part of the war effort, and that they may have pushed closer to the front to boost morale.

“Three generals already — that’s a shocking number,” Michael McFaul, the former United States ambassador to Russia, said in an interview.

On Wednesday, Ukrainian officials reported that a fourth general, Maj. Gen. Oleg Mityaev, the commander of the 150th motorized rifle division, had been killed in fighting.

Two American military officials said that many Russian generals are talking on unsecured phones and radios. In at least one instance, they said, the Ukrainians intercepted a general’s call, geolocated it, and attacked his location, killing him and his staff.

If Russian military deaths continue to rise, the kinds of civic organizations that called attention to troop deaths and injuries during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan could once more come to prominence.

But the Russian toll, some military specialists and lawmakers say, is unlikely to change Mr. Putin’s strategy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/russia-troop-deaths.html
 
Yes, it was more of a question: You agree that, if we get too involved (i.e., help Ukraine establish a no-fly zone in any manner) Putin may go off the rails and ______________?

Why did Zelenskyy only address Congress and not NATO as a whole? I suppose that's a rhetorical question. Zelensky wants to give Putin the idea that Ukraine is not sidling up with NATO?
I think that ship has sailed also.
The only countries that are helping him are NATO countries.
 
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So no real point. Just pointing out.
Yep. I agree.
I think they the US believes that in a couple weeks Putin's army will be too spent to keep up the invasion the way he wants. Hopefully they negotiate a stop to the war.
 
The only countries that are helping him are NATO countries.
Japan, Australia, South Korea, Sweden, Finland, Austria and Ireland aren't in NATO.
And if you're including humanitarian help to Ukraine then the list grows even larger and includes India, Argentina, Azerbaijan, Brazil, Israel, New Zealand, Pakistan, Switzerland, Taiwan, and Thailand.
 
Cheney Says Greene One of Kremlin's 'Useful Idiots' After Ukraine Remarks
Representative Liz Cheney, a Wyoming Republican, slammed Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, after she equated Ukraine's actions with those of Russia, saying "both sides" had violated peace agreements.

Russian President Vladimir Putin moved his forces to launch an internationally condemned invasion of Ukraine on February 24. The U.S., Canada and European allies have responded with stringent financial sanctions targeting the Russian economy as well as Putin and other Moscow elite.

The Western nations have supplied Ukraine with substantial military and humanitarian aid as the Eastern European nation works to fight back.

In a Wednesday live-streamed video address via Facebook, Greene raised concerns about the U.S. response to Ukraine. She warned against the U.S. moving toward a war with Russia, and contended that the U.S. was getting involved because prominent American leaders have "direct financial interests" there.

In response, Cheney argued that Greene was pushing Putin's propaganda.

"Putin is targeting and slaughtering civilians in a brutal unprovoked war against Ukraine, a sovereign democratic nation," Cheney tweeted on Thursday morning. "Only the Kremlin and their useful idiots would call that 'a conflict in which peace agreements have been violated by both sides.'" The Kremlin is the fortified area in Moscow where Putin resides and governs.

Greene said in the video: "This is an 8-year-long smoldering conflict in which peace agreements have been routinely violated by both sides."

While Cheney and Greene are both Republicans, they represent distinctly different factions within the GOP. Cheney is staunchly opposed to former President Donald Trump, who has faced criticism for praising Putin as a "genius" as he launched the assault on Ukraine. Greene is one of the most outspoken Trump supporters in Congress and is widely seen as a key figure in the far-right "America First" or "Make America Great Again" movement.

Just as Russia's invasion of Ukraine began at the end of February, Greene attended and gave a speech at the white nationalist America First Political Action Conference (AFPAC) in Florida. During that event, organizer Nick Fuentes led the crowd in chants supporting Putin. "Can we give a round of applause for Russia?" Fuentes asked the audience.

After speaking at the event, Greene attempted to distance herself from Fuentes and his organization. She also condemned Putin and Russia's actions.

"In regards to Russia, Putin is a murderer and he should never have invaded Ukraine. What he is doing is completely wrong," Greene said when she was approached by a CBS News journalist over her appearance at the event.

"I stand with our NATO member allies and I'm completely against this war. Everything that he's doing is wrong. He's killing people over and over, so I'm staunchly against it and I'm staunchly against Vladimir Putin and his invasion of Ukraine."

Senator Mitt Romney, a Utah Republican, condemned Greene and Representative Paul Gosar, an Arizona Republican, who spoke via video link at the AFPAC event.

"Marjorie Taylor Greene and Paul Gosar—I don't know them. But I'm reminded of that Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid movie where one character says 'Morons. I have morons on my team.' And I have to think anybody that would sit down with white nationalists and speak at their conference was certainly missing a few IQ points," Romney told CNN.

Newsweek reached out to Greene's spokesperson for comment but did not immediately receive a response.

https://www.newsweek.com/cheney-says-greene-one-kremlins-useful-idiots-after-ukraine-remarks-1688995
 


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Japan, Australia, South Korea, Sweden, Finland, Austria and Ireland aren't in NATO.
And if you're including humanitarian help to Ukraine then the list grows even larger and includes India, Argentina, Azerbaijan, Brazil, Israel, New Zealand, Pakistan, Switzerland, Taiwan, and Thailand.
I knew the second i posted that someone would take it literally. You get my point I assume.
 
Wow! Much respect.



Arnie is a badass. Love that man. It's still hard to see him as an old man though. I grew up with him as really the main action star. Him and Sly. So many favorites from him. I probably watched Predator and Commando and Total Recall a million times as a kid. It sucks that we don't really have action stars anymore.
 
Arnie is a badass. Love that man. It's still hard to see him as an old man though. I grew up with him as really the main action star. Him and Sly. So many favorites from him. I probably watched Predator and Commando and Total Recall a million times as a kid. It sucks that we don't really have action stars anymore.

Me too.

Red Heat seems appropriate

Raw Deal

The Running Man

Kindergarten Cop


Stallone too

The Rocky Movies

The Rambo Movies

Cobra

Lock up

Judge Dredd

Over the Top

Cliffhanger

The Specialist
 

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