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I always feel better after listening to General Ben.
General Ben Hodges responds to pessimistic view (coming from USA) of Ukraine's offensive.
He feels they are doing well considering the lack of air support and lack of long range missiles that they need desperately. He thinks their tactics of going slow with small groups of infantry are the correct ones.

As he says, Ukraine should be given enough long range rockets so that they could attack multiple targets in Crimea every day, not twice a month.
Reminds that war is a test of wills. Ukraine has the will, does the West? Also a test of logistics, which he thinks Ukraine is doing well at.
He finds it amazing that after 18 months of war, russia has not been able to hit a single train or convoy bringing arms from Poland into Ukraine.
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Agree 100%

The US would never fight a war under the restrictions impossed by the politicians. Sadly, it is the innocent people that will suffer the most.

I miss the good old days when the leaders, regardless of title, lead their people into battle. Most wars lasted only a few days. Plus the inept politicians selectively culled themselves out of a job
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Anton Gerashchenko
@Gerashchenko_en


It's August. People outside of Ukraine are on vacations or getting ready for school. And then the news from Ukraine come. I know it's painful to read many of them as they are tragic and traumatizing. The war has already been going on for a very long time. We don't know when and how it will end. So I thank each of you who are not tired of Ukraine. Each of you who stands by us in our grief. Each of you who supports us. Each repost helps. It helps us speak up and be heard.
 
Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said that not only should Russia keep occupied areas, the US should not want Putin to fail.

I sure do.
 
Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said that not only should Russia keep occupied areas, the US should not want Putin to fail.

I sure do.
@SarahAshtonLV

Official: President Zelenskyy confirmed that female pilots are training to fly the F-16 jets in Denmark.
(BTW, Sarah Ashton is an American volunteer medic in Ukraine who now does official podcasts for the army. One thing she says she loves about Ukraine is they never ask her what it's like to be transgender, they just ask her about the war.)
 
For anyone who thinks that the people of eastern Ukraine love russia, here is video of people in a recently liberated (by Ukraine) village. The sad thing is that once Ukraine liberates a village, it will be destroyed by russian artillery, so these people will be evacuated.
 
For anyone who thinks that the people of eastern Ukraine love russia, here is video of people in a recently liberated (by Ukraine) village. The sad thing is that once Ukraine liberates a village, it will be destroyed by russian artillery, so these people will be evacuated.


Wow, that was a very touching and very telling video...thanx for sharing.
 
Prigozhin one of 10 dead in jet "accident" crash near Moscow.

Russia...what a country.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/08/23/world/prigozhin-russia-ukraine-war-news
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Think many of us saw this coming...of course, considering it's Russia, we may never know for sure that he was really on that jet.
 
Pro-Kyiv Russians urge Wagner Group to revenge Prigozhin's death

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/pr...er-group-revenge-prigozhins-death-2023-08-25/




Aug 25 (Reuters) - A group of Russian militants who fight on the Ukrainian side called on the Wagner Group of mercenaries to switch sides and join their ranks to revenge the deaths of Wagner founderYevgeny Prigozhin and their commander Dmitry Utkin.

Russian air authorities have said Prigozhin, Utkin and eight other people were on a private plane that crashed with no survivors north of Moscow on Wednesday.

"You are facing a serious choice now - you can stand in a stall of Russia's defence ministry and serve as watchdogs for executors of your commanders or take revenge," commander of the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC) Denis Kapustin said in a video address published late on Thursday.

"To take revenge you need to switch to Ukraine's side," the commander said.

The crash came two months to the day after Prigozhin and his Wagner mercenaries staged a mutiny against Russian military commanders in which they took control of a southern city, Rostov, and advanced towards Moscow before turning around 200 kilometers far from the capital.

Russia has opened an investigation into the crash, but its outcome is unlikely to shake a widespread belief that Prigozhin was killed as an act of vengeance for staging the mutiny. read more


Reuters had cited two U.S. officials earlier on Thursday saying a surface-to-air missile likely hit the plane. Pentagon later said it had no evidence to support that. read more

After 24 hours of silence, Russian President Vladimir Putin paid "sincere condolences" to the families of all 10 people on the plane, and praised Prigozhin as a "talented businessman".

RVC commander Kapustin, a far-right Russian national, founded the armed group a year ago. RVC fights on the Ukrainian side and has said it was behind several military attacks on Russian border regions. read more


"Let's end the bloody meat grinder of the special military operation," Kapustin said in his address to Wagner fighters using the Russian official name for the invasion of Ukraine.

"After that, we will march to Moscow and this time we will not stop 200 kilometers before the Moscow ring road but go to the end," he said.


 
The Wagner group is not and will never be on Ukraine's side.
But if they want to turn on Putin, fine with me.
 
My thoughts are probably wrong, but..

My guess is, after the violent killing of Wagner's top leaders, and who they think ordered the killings. The door maybe open for the Wagner troops to be bought. It probably would take a large amount to attract a sizeble force. Their loyalty is in their wallet, for some at least.
 
My thoughts are probably wrong, but..

My guess is, after the violent killing of Wagner's top leaders, and who they think ordered the killings. The door maybe open for the Wagner troops to be bought. It probably would take a large amount to attract a sizeble force.

You should do it. Certainly your neighbors would think twice before ever crossing you again.

Their loyalty is in their wallet, for some at least.

For some? They are mercenaries. By definition, their loyalty is in their wallet.

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I wonder what percentage will sign the oath?


Putin orders Wagner fighters to sign oath of allegiance to Russia


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...putin-yegeny-prigozhin-plane-crash-rcna101951



President Vladimir Putin has ordered Wagner mercenary fighters to sign an oath of allegiance to the Russian state days after its leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, and some of his lieutenants were presumed to have died in a plane crash.

Under the new rules, which took immediate effect on Friday, all “persons entering volunteer formations, and other persons contributing to the fulfillment of the tasks assigned to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, other troops, military formations and bodies and taking part in a special military operation must pledge allegiance to the country and military.”


The rules also required that they should take an oath that they will be “devoted to the Russian Federation, to courageously defend its independence and constitutional order.”

The wording of the oath includes a line in which those who swear to it promise to strictly follow the orders of commanders and senior leaders, and is described in the decree as a step to forge the spiritual and moral foundations of the defense of Russia.

Putin’s introduction of a mandatory oath for employees of Wagner and other private military contractors was a clear move to bring such groups under tighter state control.

Earlier this year, the Russian Defense Ministry gave mercenary groups until July 1 to sign army contracts, a move that angered Prigozhin ahead of his failed uprising at the end of June.

Since then Wagner fighters who did not take part in the mutiny have been transferred into the regular Russian army.

Putin signed the decree shortly after Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Russian state media that Western suggestions that Prigozhin, the billionaire former food supplier to the Kremlin turned mercenary group mogul, had been killed on government orders were an “absolute lie.”


The Russian leader acknowledged Prigozhin’s death Thursday, calling him a “talented businessman” who had “dealt with oil, gas, precious metals and gems.” He added that he was “a man with a complicated fate, who has made many serious mistakes in his life.”

Russia’s aviation authority has said that Prigozhin was on board a private jet that crashed Wednesday evening northwest of Moscow in which no one survived exactly two months after he led a failed mutiny against army chiefs.


But there has been no official confirmation that Prigozhin’s body was found or identified, and it remains unknown what brought the plane down.

The U.S. Pentagon has said its own initial assessment was that Prigozhin was killed and British military intelligence said on Friday there was not yet definitive proof that Prigozhin had been on board but that it was “highly likely” he was dead.

Wagner commander Dmitry Utkin — a shadowy figure with neo-Nazi tattoos known as the mercenary chief’s right-hand man — and logistics chief Valery Chekalov were on board the flight with Prigozhin, according to Russian authorities.

The death of the three top figures in the Wagner command leaves a power vacuum in the mercenary group. The private force previously made its money by exchanging military support for cash and precious metals around the world, exploiting gold and diamond mines in places like the Central African Republic
 
Apparently it was seen falling out of the sky with one wing attached. Probably just pilot-error or a computer malfunction, nothing to see here.

It fell out of a window.
 

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