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50% of Ukrainian agricultural land now owned by Western corporations like Blackrock. That’s more acreage than Russia has taken, by the way.
Russia invades from the east while Zelensky openly invites an invasion from the west for financial gain. When the dust settles and people there realize what’s been done they’ll probably hang the little creep. Of course, by then he’ll have scurried off to one if his estates in London or France. Wonder why he’s so aggressively pursuing legislation allowing dual citizenship?IMG_5524.jpeg
 

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jonnyboy said:
50% of Ukrainian agricultural land now owned by Western corporations like Blackrock. That’s more acreage than Russia has taken, by the way.
Russia invades from the east while Zelensky openly invites an invasion from the west for financial gain. When the dust settles and people there realize what’s been done they’ll probably hang the little creep. Of course, by then he’ll have scurried off to one if his estates in London or France. Wonder why he’s so aggressively pursuing legislation allowing dual citizenship?
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Oh my god, Zelensky is allowing CAPITALISM to thrive in Ukraine! We must stop this before it reaches America!

barfo
 
barfo said:
Oh my god, Zelensky is allowing CAPITALISM to thrive in Ukraine! We must stop this before it reaches America!

barfo
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Partisans will defend absolutely anything as long as the right suits tell them to.
 
beast blazer said:
The money the US gives to Ukraine is in the form of a "loan". Not one that will ever be paid back. But the loan has stipulations: one being that Ukraine has to put it's farm land up for sale. Ukraine's farmland is some of the best in the world.

30% of it has already been purchased. By Monsanto and DuPont (both owned by Blackrock).

Neat trick aye? Could that be why Biden sent Boris Johnson to tear up the peace deal?

Blackrock owned companies are also making a lot from the military equipment, and they are also getting the contracts to rebuild.

The Democrats and the left used to be the ones that would call stuff like this out? Now they cheer lead it. What happened?
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jonnyboy said:
50% of Ukrainian agricultural land now owned by Western corporations like Blackrock. That’s more acreage than Russia has taken, by the way.
Russia invades from the east while Zelensky openly invites an invasion from the west for financial gain. When the dust settles and people there realize what’s been done they’ll probably hang the little creep. Of course, by then he’ll have scurried off to one if his estates in London or France. Wonder why he’s so aggressively pursuing legislation allowing dual citizenship?View attachment 65834
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It's interesting that neither one of you provided an actual link to this.

A simple google search found the truth.

  • Ukraine’s parliament has never allowed foreigners to buy agricultural land. That right is reserved solely for Ukrainian citizens and companies owned fully by Ukranians;
  • The investment company BlackRock was invited by the Ukrainian government to participate in the creation of a fund for the future rebuilding of the country after the war. The company has no right to purchase agricultural land in Ukraine;
https://sofiaglobe.com/2023/11/06/politicheck-gmos-ukraine-and-us-owned-land/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
It's interesting that neither one of you provided an actual link to this.

A simple google search found the truth.

  • Ukraine’s parliament has never allowed foreigners to buy agricultural land. That right is reserved solely for Ukrainian citizens and companies owned fully by Ukranians;
  • The investment company BlackRock was invited by the Ukrainian government to participate in the creation of a fund for the future rebuilding of the country after the war. The company has no right to purchase agricultural land in Ukraine;
https://sofiaglobe.com/2023/11/06/politicheck-gmos-ukraine-and-us-owned-land/
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It's interesting that you don't provide a link to this "Google" you claim to have searched...
 
SlyPokerDog said:
It's interesting that neither one of you provided an actual link to this.

A simple google search found the truth.

  • Ukraine’s parliament has never allowed foreigners to buy agricultural land. That right is reserved solely for Ukrainian citizens and companies owned fully by Ukranians;
  • The investment company BlackRock was invited by the Ukrainian government to participate in the creation of a fund for the future rebuilding of the country after the war. The company has no right to purchase agricultural land in Ukraine;
https://sofiaglobe.com/2023/11/06/politicheck-gmos-ukraine-and-us-owned-land/
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Don’t be naive, you know there are workarounds. Foreign entities are allowed to have stakes in anything or leverage debt against assets. You think a country as corrupt as Ukraine is any exception? You can make a clean sounding proclamation like “Foreigners cannot buy Ukrainian land” but we both know that’s a fairytale.
https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/war-and-theft-takeover-ukraines-agricultural-land
  • One year into the war, a new report reveals how oligarchs and financial interests are expanding control over Ukraine’s agricultural land with help and financing from Western financial institutions.

  • Aid provided to Ukraine in recent years has been tied to a drastic structural adjustment program requiring the creation of a land market through a law that leads to greater concentration of land in the hands of powerful interests.

  • Ukraine’s crippling debt is being leveraged by financial institutions to drive post-war reconstruction towards further privatization and liberalization in several sectors, including agriculture.

  • Ukrainian civil society, academics, and farmers are demanding the suspension of the land law and of all land transactions; and calling for an agricultural model no longer dominated by oligarchy and corruption.
 
jonnyboy said:
Don’t be naive, you know there are workarounds. Foreign entities are allowed to have stakes in anything or leverage debt against assets. You think a country as corrupt as Ukraine is any exception? You can make a clean sounding proclamation like “Foreigners cannot buy Ukrainian land” but we both know that’s a fairytale.
https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/war-and-theft-takeover-ukraines-agricultural-land
  • One year into the war, a new report reveals how oligarchs and financial interests are expanding control over Ukraine’s agricultural land with help and financing from Western financial institutions.

  • Aid provided to Ukraine in recent years has been tied to a drastic structural adjustment program requiring the creation of a land market through a law that leads to greater concentration of land in the hands of powerful interests.

  • Ukraine’s crippling debt is being leveraged by financial institutions to drive post-war reconstruction towards further privatization and liberalization in several sectors, including agriculture.

  • Ukrainian civil society, academics, and farmers are demanding the suspension of the land law and of all land transactions; and calling for an agricultural model no longer dominated by oligarchy and corruption.
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That's different than the 30% and 50% Beast and you claim are foreign owned.

But at least you finally googled something.
 
jonnyboy said:
Partisans will defend absolutely anything as long as the right suits tell them to.
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That's a pretty weak rejoinder. No 'suits' told me your post was silly. I'm not even sure where I'd go to find a 'suit' that reads your posts.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That's a pretty weak rejoinder. No 'suits' told me your post was silly. I'm not even sure where I'd go to find a 'suit' that reads your posts.

barfo
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You just happen to share every foreign policy opinion with the State Department. It’s fine, coincidental. Great minds ya know.
 
This report was written by Frédéric Mousseau. Someone who ironically is uses as the source for "fact checks" saying the assertions of western land grabs in Ukraine is false. You think we're fighting in Ukraine for charity...
"The report details how Western aid has been conditioned to a drastic structural adjustment program,
which includes austerity measures, cuts in social safety nets, and the privatization of key sectors of
the economy. A central condition has been the creation of a land market, put into law in 2020 under
President Zelenskyy, despite opposition from a majority of Ukrainians fearing that it will exacerbate
corruption in the agricultural sector and reinforce its control by powerful interests."
https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/si.../files/takeover-ukraine-agricultural-land.pdf

You can also see how the West wanted to open up Ukraine for their own explotation, which is why they ousted Yanykovich in 2014 after he rejected a deal with the EU
https://theecologist.org/2014/sep/11/ukraine-opens-monsanto-land-grabs-and-gmos
 
‘Drunk’ colonel sending troops to their deaths sparks Russian TV row

A Kremlin propaganda ploy to deflect criticism away from a “drunk” front-line commander renowned for ordering soldiers on suicide missions has backfired.

Vladimir Solovyov, the host of state TV Rossiya-One’s daily chat show, last month described soldiers’ widows as liars for accusing Col Alexei Ksenofontov of being drunk and then sending their husbands to their deaths.

He told his audience that he personally knew Col Ksenofontov, who was made a “Hero of Russia” in April.

“Alexei is a normal commander, a thinking commander capable of competently preparing and carrying out a task,” he said.

“They have slandered a hero.”

But instead of silencing the mourning women, Mr Solovyov’s intervention has heaped more embarrassment onto the Kremlin by triggering new accusations and given ordinary Russians a rare glimpse of the medieval techniques used by their military commanders.

Astra, the Russian opposition Telegram news channel that published the original complaints, said it had received dozens of messages in the past few weeks from angry women.

“After his [show], dozens of relatives of the military contacted the editorial office responding to Solovyov,” it said this week, before posting several more accusations on its Telegram channel.

Some of these criticisms were also posted directly on social media channels.

One woman wrote on the Kremlin-controlled VK social media website that she wanted Col Ksenofontov, whose call sign is “Tiger”, to die as her husband had.

“Solovyov, interview all of us. Look how many women are cursing your Ksenofontov. Talk to the women who wish death to the Tiger,” she wrote.

Criticising the Russian army comes at great risk for people living in Russia. Police arrest people for the slightest indiscretion and charge them with “discrediting the Russian army”, which carries a prison sentence.

Mothers and wives of soldiers in Russia were considered to have some leeway for criticising the government, but earlier this year, police detained several women and have now classified a group that had pushed for men mobilised into the army in 2022 to be given a break as a “foreign agent”. This is a derogatory term and makes it far harder for the group to operate.

Even so, in new comments published this week by Astra, Alina Bolvinova described how a drunk Col Ksenofontov had ordered her husband on a suicide mission near the town of Avdiivka in February without ammunition for his rifle.

“They were sent out as cannon fodder,” she said. “Can a mentally healthy person give such orders? A person who does not enjoy killing. I think not.”

The Kremlin has deployed mass infantry tactics over the past few months to push forward its front line, suffering more than 1,000 casualties every day.

The Russian military leadership has been heavily criticised throughout the war for its barbaric methods.

Last month, two Russian drone operators posted a video accusing their commander of ordering them on a suicide mission in revenge for an argument. Another video showed an enraged Russian commander punching young soldiers in the face.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ar-AA1rI840
 
jonnyboy said:
You just happen to share every foreign policy opinion with the State Department. It’s fine, coincidental. Great minds ya know.
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Well, I think you have a point there. When it comes to great foreign policy minds, who should I turn to? The professionals who work at the State department, who actually have experience, inside knowledge, and responsibility for foreign affairs, or an internet crank who eagerly promotes propaganda from hostile nations?

Tough decision.

That's not to say that the State Dept. always gets it right - far from it. But I do align more with their worldview than Putin's. YMMV.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Well, I think you have a point there. When it comes to great foreign policy minds, who should I turn to? The professionals who work at the State department, who actually have experience, inside knowledge, and responsibility for foreign affairs, or an internet crank who eagerly promotes propaganda from hostile nations?

Tough decision.

That's not to say that the State Dept. always gets it right - far from it. But I do align more with their worldview than Putin's. YMMV.

barfo
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UKRAINEFAN said:
he is such a snively little coward.
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I'd say he has the most punchable face in Congress but then we'd have to factor in Jordan, Comer, Cruz ad nauseum, and Johnson would be further down the line. But then, his consistently smarmy attitude keeps moving him back up the list.....So many morons, so many stupid voters......it's like larger version of Whack A Mole.......
 
barfo said:
Your analogies need work. We aren't in Ukraine, so it's not a question of whether we should leave or not.

barfo
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I assumed he was talking about the Rooskies. Weren’t they “in” all of those places for periods of time in their usual “helpful” capacities?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Russia is releasing their secret weapon.

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barfo said:
Your analogies need work. We aren't in Ukraine, so it's not a question of whether we should leave or not.

barfo
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Oh but we are in Ukraine, who do you think facilitates the launching of long range precision missiles? Our funding, and our meddling is what has caused it to continue. Now we're getting the same "no surrender" story for a losing conflict. You all don't realize how you've turned into Neocons.

I saw this coming and got off this wagon years ago.
 
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