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[Phatguysrule]

Zelensky should make sure it's in a building without windows. And bring his own food.

And his plane will be shot down lost in an unfortunate accident

 

[Phatguysrule]

Screenshot attached below

 

[crandc]

Belarus, a close ally of Putin, sent troops to Polish border in what is seen as provocation to NATO.

In response, Trump lifted sanctions that barred Belarus planes from US airspace.

Putin got his wish. NATO is dead. Without US it's basically European union.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[crandc]

Trump demanded Ukraine cede entire Donbass to Russia. Reports he and Zelensky ended up in shouting match with Trump spewing obscenities.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/explosions-shake-moscow-streets-as-drones-1761513740.html

 

[SlyPokerDog]

TRUMP ULTIMATUM: SIGN PEACE DEAL BY THANKSGIVING OR ELSE...

THREAT TO CUT OFF INTEL, WEAPONS...

MAJOR CONCESSIONS FROM UKRAINE...

ZELENSKY'S CHOICE: LOSE DIGNITY OR KEY PARTNER...

RUSSIA DANGLES $100,000,000,000 'CARROT'...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

RUSSIA DANGLES $100,000,000,000 'CARROT'...

No further Nato expansion. Occupied Ukrainian territory recognised as Russian, including by the US. No prosecution for Russia for war crimes.

These are some of the clauses – part of a ‘surrender document’, brokered by Donald Trump – that Ukraine is facing after almost four years of war.

Buried in the middle of the 28-point ‘peace blueprint’ being hammered out between the US and Russia, clause 14 stands out like a flashing sign.

It offers up $100 billion in frozen Russian assets – repackaged as a fund for reconstruction, with the US pocketing half the profits.

Meanwhile, Russia would be granted around two-thirds of the $300 billion of sovereign assets frozen in Europe.

Keir Giles, a Russia expert at Chatham House, told Metro this is a ‘payoff’ for the Trump administration.

He said: ‘You can see why that would appeal to the US. Effectively, Russia is saying, “we have given up on these frozen funds already, why don’t you help yourself to it”.

‘The terms on reallocation present a carrot dangled in front of the Trump administration to encourage them towards enforcement of the agreement on Ukraine.’

Russia dangling $100,000,000,000 'carrot' as payoff to Trump

Vladimir Putin is dangling a $100,000,000,000 'carrot' as payoff to Donald Trump for putting pressure on Ukraine to accept the 'peace agreement'.

metro.co.uk

 

[crandc]

And Ukraine would have to give up much of its weapons and reduce size of army. So totally vulnerable in exchange for Russian promise.
This is Putin pet Trump demanding Ukraine surrender.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[riverman]

Stand firm Zelenski....Ukrainian sovereignty is not determined by Donald Trump and Putin behind closed doors...you've sacrificed way too much to give in to this ridiculous surrender.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Luckily Europe and Nordic and Scandinavian ccountries know what's at stake. Anything the US withholds, those countries will make up.

I hope they just cover it as a loan to the US. Until the US recovers from our current illness.

And the next time we have a real president we can make up the difference and pay it back.

 

[crandc]

The Ukraine surrender plan was written by an aide to Putin in collaboration with special envoy Wittikof, a real estate partner of Trump with no diplomatic experience. It was translated from Russian for Trump to not read (he brags he never reads anything because he just knows).

Trump’s Ukraine Peace Deal Appears to Be Translated From Russian

Certain phrases in Trump’s proposed deal seem to be using Russian language.

newrepublic.com

 

[crandc]

Ukraine surrender plan doesn't even require Russia to return children kidnapped from Ukraine. Ukraine is barred from NATO while Russian membership in G8 restored. $100 billion in frozen Russian assets is released, with US managing investments and getting 50% of profits. Europe pays rebuilding and gets nothing in return. The plan establishes long term economic partnership between US and Russia for mining, fossil fuel extraction and other environment destroying ventures.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

US Hails 'Significant Step Forward' In Ukraine 'Peace Framework' Talks

The White House said Sunday that talks in Switzerland on a proposal to end the Ukraine war marked a "significant step forward," and reaffirmed that any eventual deal would "fully uphold" the war-wracked country's sovereignty.

www.barrons.com

 

[crandc]

According to Steve Bannon, Russia won the war and therefore gets to dictate terms of agreement.

 

[riverman]

Zelenski and NATO leaders know you cannot trust Trump's promises from one day to the next. They'll need to solve this without Putin's puppets.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Sorry I haven't posted for awhile. Really busy. Good to see Sly and Phatsguy and Crand and Rivermkan hanging in there.
You all know that Ukraine hit a couple tankers last week in Black Sea and also attached explosives to one off Senegal. I was worried that Erdogan might be scaring them off from more work but NO, Today another tanker, Really, really good to see! Erdogan must not be objecting too strongly. Now we can see the importance of Ukraine's work destroying russia's Black Sea Fleet

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

BTW, the se tankers are empty

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

BTW, Ukraine will not be giving up an inch of land that russia hasn't occupied. They don't give a fuck anymore what Trump thinks or says about that.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Surprising this isn't getting much coverage as seems is Ukraine's most impactful one night attack of the war. Also surprising that the russians seem to have not developed effective air defense at this point.

Ukraine Launches War’s Most Massive Drone-Missile Strikes, Russian Energy Targeted​

Five Russian oil refineries set ablaze, four airfield strikes, a Lukoil offshore rig ablaze in the Caspian Sea – all in one night – noisily contradicted Trump’s claim that “Ukraine has no cards.” https://www.kyivpost.com/post/66050

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Surprising this isn't getting much coverage as seems is Ukraine's most impactful one night attack of the war. Also surprising that the russians seem to have not developed effective air defense at this point.

Ukraine Launches War’s Most Massive Drone-Missile Strikes, Russian Energy Targeted​

Five Russian oil refineries set ablaze, four airfield strikes, a Lukoil offshore rig ablaze in the Caspian Sea – all in one night – noisily contradicted Trump’s claim that “Ukraine has no cards.” https://www.kyivpost.com/post/66050

Ukraine also teased russia with about 60 unarmed drones circling over Moscow; apparently for the purpose of using up anti-air resources and reminding the Muscovites that there is actually a war going on.

 

[Chris Craig]

Must be one hell of a video Putin has on Trump.

 

[e_blazer]

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

The Ukraine surrender plan was written by an aide to Putin in collaboration with special envoy Wittikof, a real estate partner of Trump with no diplomatic experience. It was translated from Russian for Trump to not read (he brags he never reads anything because he just knows).

Trump’s Ukraine Peace Deal Appears to Be Translated From Russian

Certain phrases in Trump’s proposed deal seem to be using Russian language.

newrepublic.com

It's just Crazytown!

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I believe this is the first successful use of a submarine drone. This russian submarine was used as a launch platform for missiles into Ukraine.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/12/15/for-first-time-ukraines-advanced-underwater-drones-sink-400-million-russian-submarine-that-terrorized-ukrainian-cities/

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Putin calls European leaders 'piglets,' declares war goals will be met 'unconditionally'