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I can appreciate your excitement, but the reason Dame was the constant,

And if Wes, Nic and LA all had "weaknesses" that irritated you guys, how are you guys going to feel this season?

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I was comparing this year to lasts, and making the point that we won't be as good at the end of games. When I said Dame was the "one huge constant", I meant he is the only relevant player that is/was on both teams. And the other 3 positions all have less experience.

As for Nic Wes and LA irritating us, I was simply pointing out they were not perfect, but still pretty good in crunch time. But lets face it, Neither Wes nor Nic
attacked the basket with success like we would have all preferred. (And Nic did slump from the outside last year)

LA 's weaknesses were too small IMO to list. But they did irritate others.

Bottom line...there was really no excitement from me in my post. We will struggle in crunch time.
 
I was comparing this year to lasts, and making the point that we won't be as good at the end of games. When I said Dame was the "one huge constant", I meant he is the only relevant player that is/was on both teams. And the other 3 positions all have less experience.

As for Nic Wes and LA irritating us, I was simply pointing out they were not perfect, but still pretty good in crunch time. But lets face it, Neither Wes nor Nic
attacked the basket with success like we would have all preferred. (And Nic did slump from the outside last year)

LA 's weaknesses were too small IMO to list. But they did irritate others.

Bottom line...there was really no excitement from me in my post. We will struggle in crunch time.
Here are the only 10 time All Stars that have won 2 championships since 1991:

Jordan
Olajuwon
Drexler
D Robinson
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Wade
LeBron
Bosh

That's it. 10 guys. And Bosh is one of them. Deal with it. Bosh is a HOFer. I would bet $1000 on it.
Drexler only won one ring......
 
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So wait.... Bosh has only played in 9 All-Star games. Is Eric just assuming that he'll be an All-Star this year?

And two of the last three years he averaged 16 and 6........ talk about getting the nod on name recognition....
 
I've never really liked Rondo but he was certainly one of the top 5 PGs in the game for a few years, I don't see how anyone can deny that. That doesn't change just because he's not as good on different teams.
 
I've never really liked Rondo but he was certainly one of the top 5 PGs in the game for several years, I don't see how anyone can deny that. That doesn't change just because he's not as good on different teams.

Honestly, I think you could have put Tim Frazier on that team and he would have looked good. Pierce, Allen, and KG were all still in their prime when they joined the Celtics. It was the tail end of their prime, but they were still some of the best at their respective positions.
 
Honestly, I think you could have put Tim Frazier on that team and he would have looked good. Pierce, Allen, and KG were all still in their prime when they joined the Celtics. It was the tail end of their prime, but they were still some of the best at their respective positions.

Well I definitely disagree that Frazier would have done anywhere near as well as Rondo did, but that's a statement that can't be proven or disproven so there's not really much else to say.
 
Well I definitely disagree that Frazier would have done anywhere near as well as Rondo did, but that's a statement that can't be proven or disproven so there's not really much else to say.

I'm not saying Frazier would have looked as good as Rondo, but I think he would have looked good. He could have averaged 10+ assists per game in that offense.

My contention has always been that Rondo does not have the skillset to carry a team by himself. If you put him on a team without a lot of weapons, he would look like shit. That's in his prime when he was healthy.
 
I'm not saying Frazier would have looked as good as Rondo, but I think he would have looked good. He could have averaged 10+ assists per game in that offense.

My contention has always been that Rondo does not have the skillset to carry a team by himself. If you put him on a team without a lot of weapons, he would look like shit. That's in his prime when he was healthy.

I really don't agree with what you're saying about Frazier at all.

My contention would be that no other PG in recent times could look as good as Rondo did on that Boston team because he had the perfect skillset for it.
 
I really don't agree with what you're saying about Frazier at all.

My contention would be that no other PG in recent times could look as good as Rondo did on that Boston team because he had the perfect skillset for it.

Eh........ Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Chris Paul.... I do not agree. I think Paul would have had a field day on that team, especially back before he basically went bone on bone in one of his knees. I just really don't think Rondo was a special and unique snowflake.
 
Eh........ Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Chris Paul.... I do not agree. I think Paul would have had a field day on that team, especially back before he basically went bone on bone in one of his knees. I just really don't think Rondo was a special and unique snowflake.

If those are the three players you name that you think would be better than him on that team, I think that means he was pretty damn special. And we just can't know if they would have fit as perfectly as he did.
 
If those are the three players you name that you think would be better than him on that team, I think that means he was pretty damn special. And we just can't know if they would have fit as perfectly as he did.

You said that no other point guard in recent times could look as good as Rondo on that team, and I disagreed. I named three guys that I thought could look as good, or better, on that team. That's without even thinking too hard about it. I think Deron Williams at that point in time would have looked great on that team as well.
 
You said that no other point guard in recent times could look as good as Rondo on that team, and I disagreed. I named three guys that I thought could look as good, or better, on that team. That's without even thinking too hard about it. I think Deron Williams at that point in time would have looked great on that team as well.

I don't think Deron Williams would have fit as well with that team as Rondo did. This is entirely opinion though, there's really no point in arguing further.
 
We're doing it without G-Hendo as well. I'm sure he will be a net PLUS when he comes back.

That said, man, I was never super HIGH on Aldridge - but some of the stuff coming out of the Spurs media makes you wonder... He might've been holding us back. Ball stopper. Jump shots. Had the franchise cater to him (not a team player it seems, based on what he said that he would try harder to mesh with others in SA). Indecisive.

I'm excited for this season - we are young, dumb enough to think we belong, and athletic and deep. I don't see many weaknesses on this roster, it is very versatile.
 
Here are the only 10 time All Stars that have won 2 championships since 1991:

Jordan
Olajuwon
Drexler
D Robinson
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Wade
LeBron
Bosh

That's it. 10 guys. And Bosh is one of them. Deal with it. Bosh is a HOFer. I would bet $1000 on it.

Looks like one of those doesn't belong with the rest. I just think he's "very good", not "HOF". I can have my opinion, you have yours. All stars are becoming the way of the Pro Bowl, anyway. I don't hold much credence to them, especially if you're in the east.
 
We're doing it without G-Hendo as well. I'm sure he will be a net PLUS when he comes back.

That said, man, I was never super HIGH on Aldridge - but some of the stuff coming out of the Spurs media makes you wonder... He might've been holding us back. Ball stopper. Jump shots. Had the franchise cater to him (not a team player it seems, based on what he said that he would try harder to mesh with others in SA). Indecisive.

I'm excited for this season - we are young, dumb enough to think we belong, and athletic and deep. I don't see many weaknesses on this roster, it is very versatile.
He'll start at SG when he comes back.
 
Not sure why everyone is predicting 28-38 wins. I've watched the two preseason wins and we look fantastic. So athletic, so deep, so enthusiastic, great chemistry, good passing, well coached. It's a better team. I think most of you will be very surprised this season.
I think they will be fun to watch but this is a ridiculously titled thread, but no surprise
 
Everyone was praising the Mavs last year for adding him and I was one of the few people who KNEW it was going to bust. He was horrible in that offense. He can't shoot at all. He was good at two things, distributing the ball and defending. He's not a scorer, so I have no idea why the Mavs thought he would work in that offense.

Because Cuban runs the show.

very nice evaluation.

Have to say that I am not a fan of his game, but with all of the shooters we have here, dont you think he would fit in? Even if he has lost a step, a true pass first PG ala Bibby might be just what we need.

NO WAY!

I can appreciate your excitement, but the reason Dame was the constant, was because other teams had to stay honest on Nic and Wes on the perimeter and did not dare leave LA open down low. Right? These players on the floor with Dame this season will not demand the respect our old starters did......thus, MUCH more difficult looks for Dame this season.

And if Wes, Nic and LA all had "weaknesses" that irritated you guys, how are you guys going to feel this season?

On a side note, I like when I see Aminu up in the opposing players face hounding him and playing out in the lanes......I do NOT want to see him isoed on the wing trying to do his Kyrie dribbling impersonations.

HCP, Eric is right. I also think you are overvaluing Wes and Nic. First, Nic NEVER lived up to his potential and was always a "what could he become?" I think too many people are still stuck on that, but the fact is he had what... 6-7 seasons to become with us and never did? He may still become that player, but it wasn't going to be with us, and that was obvious. So if you compare the Nic we had and not the Nic of potential, yes I also believe Amino will be comparable. not quite the same game, but will have the same amount of impact for us. Harkless so far looks like he might bring MORE than what Nic did.
Wes is a 3 and D guy, but couldn't dribble or make a layup for the life of him, pretty one dimensional overall and I wonder how much better his teammates actually made him. Don't get me wrong, love him. noe of my fav Blazers of all time, because heart wins people over and he had alot of it. but his skills and on court game was average, maybe slightly above.

You say LA down low left open was a dread to teams, but how often was he out there? The dude is the king of the worst shot in the game and that is not in the paint, so to say he was down low demanding attention is far from accurate.

Dame will get more pressure there is no doubt about it, but if he finds the open guy, there should be many lobs and in the paint passes to guys for layups and dunks. Id much rather have Dame go 20/12/5, then go 30/6/6. This means he is finding the bigs in the paint. Plumlee, Davis, a cutting Meyers from the 3line, etc.

On your side note, I totally agree. IF AMino stays down low in the face of the opponent we will win ten more games this season then if he posts up at the 3 line and tries to drive to the hole, ala Nic.


Eric, I am with you man. This team is only going to improve, where as teams like GS and the clips, they cant really improve their chemistry, they already know each other too well. This team is still finding itself and will continue to do so well into the season, of which I expect to see the continue to improve, weed out the weaknesses and focus on the strengths. By the trade deadline move a couple players not working out and maybe some cash for an all star. Hopefully make the 8th seed. We do that and this next off season we should be able to land a top tier guy to go with Dame and the trade deadline acquisition. Combine that with the core that emerges from this season and lookout western conference!!! Call me a homer, but I think there are way more homers here just leaning the opposite direction. ;)
 
I like the way we compare our roster to championship rosters like they've played together for years already...we're just getting our feet wet and Stotts has just started coaching this squad..I'd give them until Xmas at least to start evaluating how they'll work as a unit. You can see Plumlee, Aminu, Vonleh and Davis are overthinking the offensive sets but what nobody is ignoring is team defense, which tells me the coaching staff has it's priorities straight
 
It always is interesting to me when people talk about Nic's potential. Shit......the guy was like what, the 28th pick in the god damned draft. He has has played above and beyond ANY potential anybody could have on him.
 
It always is interesting to me when people talk about Nic's potential. Shit......the guy was like what, the 28th pick in the god damned draft. He has has played above and beyond ANY potential anybody could have on him.

Most definitely the first 4 years he was here.

The last 3 years he wasn't on a rookie contract; he was the second highest paid player on the team so expectations change.
 
It always is interesting to me when people talk about Nic's potential. Shit......the guy was like what, the 28th pick in the god damned draft. He has has played above and beyond ANY potential anybody could have on him.

So your basing your assessment of him off where he was drafted? UGh. Yes. Draft rank is an assessment of the player...at the time of the draft. Michael Jordan was drafted number 2, so does that mean that every player drafted number 2 has the potential of Jordan? Come on man, gimme a break.

The fact is, and your smart enough to know this I would think, is that Nic has all star potential, a unique body and gift set for the game. An acute court awareness. If he had Dames work ethic or Wes's heart, he would be all first team defense and career average 23/8/8. Instead he would disappear, sometimes for weeks at a time. He is a soft player who doesn't know how to play aggressive. That's all I think anyone really wanted to see more of out of him is aggression and heart. Instead he goes to Euro ball and punches players in the nuts.
Nic has yet to come close to reaching his potential, though he may have reached his peak.
 
So your basing your assessment of him off where he was drafted? UGh. Yes. Draft rank is an assessment of the player...at the time of the draft. Michael Jordan was drafted number 2, so does that mean that every player drafted number 2 has the potential of Jordan? Come on man, gimme a break.

The fact is, and your smart enough to know this I would think, is that Nic has all star potential, a unique body and gift set for the game. An acute court awareness. If he had Dames work ethic or Wes's heart, he would be all first team defense and career average 23/8/8. Instead he would disappear, sometimes for weeks at a time. He is a soft player who doesn't know how to play aggressive. That's all I think anyone really wanted to see more of out of him is aggression and heart. Instead he goes to Euro ball and punches players in the nuts.
Nic has yet to come close to reaching his potential, though he may have reached his peak.

Right on.. Batum was garbage hated that guy
 

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