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I dunno. Given interest rates and everything, that math seems off. I don’t make $350-400K and I qualify for well over $500-600K. Even with us going conservative and not by the “guidelines” of affordability.

i have no debt and an 800 credit score and 8 years ago I qualified for 530k. But 530k shouldn’t get you a fixer upper across the street from a Walmart in the hood
 
I'm not talking about qualifying. I'm talking about paying off the house. Boomers like to argue about interest rates being higher in their time. Sure, but paying off 60k is a lot easier than 600k.

40k/year 1.5 times your salary to theoretically pay off a 60k house. Or save up. Not counting taxes of course.

400k 1.5 times your salary is 600k.

Portland doesn't have many 400k jobs. 40k jobs were plentiful in the late 80s. Even found in blue collar jobs.

your math is still off. If interest rates are 2% versus 10%, it still creating impacts buying power. You’re way oversimplifying the math.
 
We provide free childcare for our family here or they'd struggle more with the mortgage...they have friends with kids that are basically givinga chunk of their salary to daycare centers for the kids..
 
Yeah. I’m not disputing that housing costs have gone up. But your choosing arbitrary figures to show your point. What is a $60k house in 1996, say, today? Where is compensation for the same time period?

I’m not arguing the overall point because only an idiot would argue that compensation has grown as quickly as housing (and I’ve already acknowledged there’s an issue). I’m just saying you’re over-simplifying it. Clearly, housing costs are growing more quickly than compensation.

I swear some of y’all want to argue for the sake of arguing.

yawn

#FAMS
 
Since we’re talking about consumer prices of sorts….

I saw a brand-new, tricked-out Nissan Sentra selling for $25K. WTF?

Auto prices are absurd, too.
 
60,000 at an 8% interest rate for 30 years is 440/month without insurance or property taxes.

600000k with a 4% interest rate is 2800/month.

Many financial advisors think your home payment shouldn't be more than a third of your salary.

8400 is 100k.

1320 is 15k.

Point still being blue collar jobs could afford that. How many blue collar jobs make 100k nowadays? Not many unless you have major time in it. You could go down to freightliner and instantly make 15k or more back in the late 80s.

Everyone in the universe would take lower principal debt with higher interest rates than high principal debt with low interest rates. Finacial freedom means paying off your house.

Funny you mention freightliner. My dad was a machinist at freightliner and his top rate right before he retired 3 years ago was $26 an hour. I make $39.38 an hour, soon to be $40 in august and my lady makes $22. I can pocket at least 80k off the place I’m in now and STILL we don’t feel completely comfortable dropping the money on a place for $500k that 3 years ago sold for $300k
 
And again this isn’t a rant because I feel like I’m doomed. I just don’t want my kids and step kids to be living with me when they’re 40

The next gen is fucked unless something drastically changes
 
What arbitrary figures? My parents were both blue collar with zero education. They bought a brand new house in portland/gresham in the late 80's. How many people could do that today?

Houses in the same region were recently built on smaller plots of lands for 550k-600k. Those aren't arbritray numbers.

My parents bought their first house in 83’ for 40k. Their 2nd house in 93’ for 180k, their 3rd house in 2001 for 230k. That house now is valued at well over 600k.

My dad was always ingrained in him by his father to save for retirement so he stacked up his 401k and has a good pension.

But that game will never be played on my end and I’ve come to accept it. I just want something to stabilize at some point
 
Been an A's fan since my teens when they had Reggie, Rollie, Catfish, Vida and a whole team of players known by one name ... who won three consecutive World Series.
 
1 in every 5 houses these days is being paid straight cash by an investment firm usually based outside of the US.

Ding ding ding! A protectionist law would lower house prices.
 
every generation dealt with their own hardships no doubt. The fact that hard working young Americans may never even able to own a home is alarming. It’s going to be a couple generations of family splitting a mortgage payment. I’m lucky I bought about 6 years ago and put a good chunk down, I got a decent amount of equity. But this is getting out of control. I’m seeing houses that 5 years ago would sell for half what they’re selling for now while incomes remain stagnant. Unless a housing collapse this could be awful.

1 in every 5 houses these days is being paid straight cash by an investment firm usually based outside of the US. How do young Americans compete with that?
Yeah, the owning a house part is alarming. I can only advise that young people take an interest in education early on and stay in school. Once reaching a college go to all ther classes, study long and hard and stick to a good major that is in demand and will remain in high demand. Presto, expensive houses will fall into your lap.
 
well that explanation changes the shape of the original post a bit (even if you are totally correct).
My mother made Millions of real estate. She promised it to me when I was in my early 20s.Then she got dementia and squandered every penny, gambling, buying junk on TV and giving it to the most slovenly people, even given a larger share to an ex con who spent time in prison for raping his own daughter than she gsve me. She left me with 5% of a dwindled estate that she divided among a little over a dozen families, many of whom were bad drug addicts. One of my cousins got 20% and his useless children got another 20%. My cousinspent six months in jail and was addicted to cigsrettes, alcohol, pot and maybe other drugs. During her latter years she was going through about a quarter Million a year with nothing to show for it. We were estranged for about 5 of the last 5 1/2 years of her life. Oh yeah, she told everyone she knew how bad I was. Do you know how much it hurts to have your own mother hate you?
How the hell did I get off on this painful part of my life?
 
60,000 at an 8% interest rate for 30 years is 440/month without insurance or property taxes.

600000k with a 4% interest rate is 2800/month.

Many financial advisors think your home payment shouldn't be more than a third of your salary.

8400 is 100k.

1320 is 15k.

Point still being blue collar jobs could afford that. How many blue collar jobs make 100k nowadays? Not many unless you have major time in it. You could go down to freightliner and instantly make 15k or more back in the late 80s.

Everyone in the universe would take lower principal debt with higher interest rates than high principal debt with low interest rates. Finacial freedom means paying off your house.
My income is proportionally higher than when I had a $60,000 house mortgage and not a pot to pee in. We ate a lot of homemade chicken noodle soup.We made the noodles with flour and water.
Look, there are X number of houses out there and somebody's got to own them. I'd like to know how many homes are owned by fat cats and corporations and how many are owned by working slobs.
 
Boomers don't comprehend that college and houses are astronomically more expensive today than in their lifetime.

Everyone would rather pay 60,000 with 8% interest rates for a brand new home in Portland/Gresham like my parents did in 1988 than the 600,000 a house like that would cost today with 4% interest rates.

Here is Hasan Minhaj calling out congress about it.



Many boomers say our generation just needs to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. One of the dumbest sayings I have ever heard.

This is coming from someone who did everything right. I bought my first house in 2011 for a little over 100k that was in Rockwood and fixed it up. It was so trashed. Sold it a few years later and used the proceeds to buy my current place.

I did everything right and set myself up well. Many other millenials did not, and Gen Z is royally fucked.


wow. I did almost the exact same thing as you. Bought my first home near rockwood for 140 in 2010 and been doing it right ever since.
 
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned in this thread yet, but private equity firms are buying up incomprehensible amounts of land and real estate to artificially drive up home prices. Entire neighborhoods are being purchased at a time, at above asking prices, with their sole purpose to be turned into permanent rentals, never owned again. They are removing homes from the market permanently and lessening people’s odds of ever owning a home, while simultaneously providing the solution with rentals. It is brilliantly evil.

How do these equity groups get so much money for these endeavors though? Easy, the Federal Reserve gives them ungodly loans which they could never legitimately qualify for, with YOUR tax money, a service they would never provide to you or I. That’s right, your own government is fucking you and using third party equity firms, and your own tax dollars to pull of the heist. It could literally be the biggest scandal in this country’s history and nobody is saying shit. Look up a company called BlackRock, they are one of the main players in the scam.

Keep in mind that purchasing a home is the only way millions of people have to ever put together any meaningful wealth, and it’s currently being taken away.

Please tell me I’m not the only one who’s heard about this.
 
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned in this thread yet, but private equity firms are buying up incomprehensible amounts of land and real estate to artificially drive up home prices. Entire neighborhoods are being purchased at a time, at above asking prices, with their sole purpose to be turned into permanent rentals, never owned again. They are removing homes from the market permanently and lessening people’s odds of ever owning a home, while simultaneously providing the solution with rentals. It is brilliantly evil.

How do these equity groups get so much money for these endeavors though? Easy, the Federal Reserve gives them ungodly loans which they could never legitimately qualify for, with YOUR tax money, a service they would never provide to you or I. That’s right, your own government is fucking you and using third party equity firms, and your own tax dollars to pull of the heist. It could literally be the biggest scandal in this country’s history and nobody is saying shit. Look up a company called BlackRock, they are one of the main players in the scam.

Keep in mind that purchasing a home is the only way millions of people have to ever put together any meaningful wealth, and it’s currently being taken away.

Please tell me I’m not the only one who’s heard about this.
I advised my son down south to buy land and not an over inflated box to live in...later build your house on it..he's going to start with the temp living space on his land and when the price of material slows down...build his own house new....houses are actually really expensive boxes...what I'd look for is what I bought...land with drinkable water and a fresh water spring.....
 
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned in this thread yet, but private equity firms are buying up incomprehensible amounts of land and real estate to artificially drive up home prices. Entire neighborhoods are being purchased at a time, at above asking prices, with their sole purpose to be turned into permanent rentals, never owned again. They are removing homes from the market permanently and lessening people’s odds of ever owning a home, while simultaneously providing the solution with rentals. It is brilliantly evil.

How do these equity groups get so much money for these endeavors though? Easy, the Federal Reserve gives them ungodly loans which they could never legitimately qualify for, with YOUR tax money, a service they would never provide to you or I. That’s right, your own government is fucking you and using third party equity firms, and your own tax dollars to pull of the heist. It could literally be the biggest scandal in this country’s history and nobody is saying shit. Look up a company called BlackRock, they are one of the main players in the scam.

Keep in mind that purchasing a home is the only way millions of people have to ever put together any meaningful wealth, and it’s currently being taken away.

Please tell me I’m not the only one who’s heard about this.

You’re not.

It was mentioned by the OP in the third post in this thread:

Zags: 1 in every 5 houses these days is being paid straight cash by an investment firm usually based outside of the US. How do young Americans compete with that?
 
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned in this thread yet, but private equity firms are buying up incomprehensible amounts of land and real estate to artificially drive up home prices. Entire neighborhoods are being purchased at a time, at above asking prices, with their sole purpose to be turned into permanent rentals, never owned again. They are removing homes from the market permanently and lessening people’s odds of ever owning a home, while simultaneously providing the solution with rentals. It is brilliantly evil.

How do these equity groups get so much money for these endeavors though? Easy, the Federal Reserve gives them ungodly loans which they could never legitimately qualify for, with YOUR tax money, a service they would never provide to you or I. That’s right, your own government is fucking you and using third party equity firms, and your own tax dollars to pull of the heist. It could literally be the biggest scandal in this country’s history and nobody is saying shit. Look up a company called BlackRock, they are one of the main players in the scam.

Keep in mind that purchasing a home is the only way millions of people have to ever put together any meaningful wealth, and it’s currently being taken away.

Please tell me I’m not the only one who’s heard about this.
And the Fed Reserve can foreclose on those companies real fast and acquire the properties.
 
I advised my son down south to buy land and not an over inflated box to live in...later build your house on it..he's going to start with the temp living space on his land and when the price of material slows down...build his own house new....houses are actually really expensive boxes...what I'd look for is what I bought...land with drinkable water and a fresh water spring.....

The Hawaii house does not have a spring but it does have ample water supply.
 
I advised my son down south to buy land and not an over inflated box to live in...later build your house on it..he's going to start with the temp living space on his land and when the price of material slows down...build his own house new....houses are actually really expensive boxes...what I'd look for is what I bought...land with drinkable water and a fresh water spring.....

I’m thinking I’d like to do something similar.
 
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned in this thread yet, but private equity firms are buying up incomprehensible amounts of land and real estate to artificially drive up home prices. Entire neighborhoods are being purchased at a time, at above asking prices, with their sole purpose to be turned into permanent rentals, never owned again. They are removing homes from the market permanently and lessening people’s odds of ever owning a home, while simultaneously providing the solution with rentals. It is brilliantly evil.

How do these equity groups get so much money for these endeavors though? Easy, the Federal Reserve gives them ungodly loans which they could never legitimately qualify for, with YOUR tax money, a service they would never provide to you or I. That’s right, your own government is fucking you and using third party equity firms, and your own tax dollars to pull of the heist. It could literally be the biggest scandal in this country’s history and nobody is saying shit. Look up a company called BlackRock, they are one of the main players in the scam.

Keep in mind that purchasing a home is the only way millions of people have to ever put together any meaningful wealth, and it’s currently being taken away.

Please tell me I’m not the only one who’s heard about this.
My wife just talked to a lady who lives in the next development next to ours (deep suburbs). There is one rather odd house (about 5 years old, 1600-1700 ft2) in her ‘hood that sits on a corner (tiny lot), backed up to a semi busy (and getting busier) street and has the entrance on the side of the house rather than the front(?). It has sold at least twice before since it was built. According to my wife’s friend, a bigger real estate company just came in and bought it for $600K, with plans to flip it. That house is NOWHERE NEAR worth $600K, regardless of what the market might be doing today. Our neighbors across the street just sold a similar sized house (but about 15 years older) on a similar sized lot for $460K. But then, because of the frenzy in trying to find another place that doesn’t get sold out from under them, the neighbors took the very first offer (the day it went on the market) rather than wait. Had they hung on for another week or two I have no doubt they could have gotten at least $5ooK. It’s getting crazy. And yes, companies are buying houses sight unseen for ridiculous prices. It’s all about profit and fuck affordable housing. Capitalism at its’ worst. They rent them for ridiculous figures until they feel they can get what they need by selling them. They’re the ones helping to fuck it up for everyone. and when the bottom drops out they’ll laugh all the way to the bank. Welcome to America in the 21st century……….
 
What if we don’t want that

Nobody’s holding you hostage. That said, you sound like the people who said the same thing when they saw Henry Ford’s first cars roll off the assembly line. These folks are just at the beginning of what they want to do. They have plans to develop large, multi-modual homes. I think it’s pretty cool. The way we build homes today is the dark ages.
 
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