UPDATE: Blazers will be sending their TV & Radio crews w/ the team on the road

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The shitty part is that we as fans have no recourse. If we boycott, they can justify moving the team.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The shitty part is that we as fans have no recourse. If we boycott, they can justify moving the team.
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I don't think that the NBA would accept that as an option, especially considering the train wreck they saved in Sacramento, and the other teams in significantly worse situations than the Blazers. BUT it does kinda feel like they're trying their best to alienate/disenfranchise fans with decisions like this.
 
Driew said:
Curious why are you taking a 30% pay cut if you're still working the away games but just in Portland? Did you get paid more while out on the road for away games?
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In the freelance TV industry, you have a 10 hour "day rate". Changes with they type of event you work vs the network it's airing on vs where the event is held.
For instance, you make work a UFC fight in Dallas and make $725/10 or a billiards tournament in Omaha and it's $650/10. Depends on your package and how much they want you there.

When you travel to say Pittsburgh for a MLB game.....the norm is you get a "half-day travel" rate when you travel there and back and your 10 day rate the days you work. Perdiem is also part of your pay, but that depends on the state you are in and the company hiring. The NBA's per diem is the highest anywhere.

Without going into too much detail, I have a yearly contract with the team. First game of the season to the last game of the first round.
At home, my 10 our rate is the same as other guys who do my job. BUT anytime we travel to another city, whether its SF or NYC, I get my "travel day rate" and per diem. While on the road on an off day, I also get that travel day because as a freelancer, me being with the team is keeping me from working for other people, like a place holder.

I will give my boss much credit on this, I would say there are only a handful of us in the NBA who do my job who get an off day rate....VERY rare.

Now because say we are in Cleveland for a game and play Atlanta the next night, we are at the arena in Cleveland at noon on game day, plane leaves for ATL at 11:30pm.....we get into our hotel room at 2:30am......now that's almost a 15 hour day. So my boss gives me an "inflated road rate".

I will now receive roughly 82 home rates.....
So @THE HCP will be losing out on 41 inflated road day rates/travel and off day rates and per diem that covers 5.5 months. Hope that helps.
 
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julius said:
I don't think that the NBA would accept that as an option, especially considering the train wreck they saved in Sacramento, and the other teams in significantly worse situations than the Blazers. BUT it does kinda feel like they're trying their best to alienate/disenfranchise fans with decisions like this.
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Can the NBA force them to sell? Supposedly Silver really wants Phil Knight to get the team.
 
THE HCP said:
In the freelance TV industry, you have a 10 hour "day rate". Changes with they type of event you work vs the network it's airing on vs where the event is held.
For instance, you make work a UFC fight in Dallas and make $725/10 or a billiards tournament in Omaha and it's $650/10. Depends on your package and how much they want you there.

When you travel to say Pittsburgh for a MLB game.....the norm is you get a "half-day travel" rate when you travel there and back and your 10 day rate the days you work. Perdiem is also part of your pay, but that depends on the state you are in and the company hiring. The NBA's per diem is the highest anywhere.

Without going into too much detail, I have a yearly contract with the team. First game of the season to the last game of the first round.
At home, my 10 our rate is the same as other guys who do my job. BUT anytime we travel to another city, whether its SF or NYC, I get my "travel day rate" and per diem. While on the road on an off day, I also get that travel day because as a freelancer, me being with the team is keeping me from working for other people, like a place holder.

I will give my boss much credit on this, I would say there are only a handful of us in the NBA who do my job who get an off day rate....VERY rare.

Now because say we are in Cleveland for a game and play Atlanta the next night, we are at the arena in Cleveland at noon on game day, plane leaves for ATL at 11:30pm.....we get into our hotel room at 2:30am......now that's almost a 15 hour day. So my boss gives me an "inflated road rate".

I will now receive roughly 82 home rates.....
So @THE HCP will be losing out on 41 inflated road day rates/travel and off day rates and per diem that covers 5.5 months. Hope that helps.
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Who hacked HCP's account and actually dropped some NBA knowledge on here? My guess would be HCP jr.....?
 
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HailBlazers said:
Prepping the organization for a sale is the only logical explanation I can come up with.
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Not disagreeing, just don't see the logic in doing this kind of stuff TOO sell.

The new owner would have to be like "yeah. Let's go back on the road" and not be 2nd rate.
 
They are putting a new roof on Moda and upgrading the practice facility this fall....that expense might have triggered restructuring the road budget. On the positive side HCP will be eating lunch in Portland all season instead of spending that cash in OKC or Memphis!
 
julius said:
Not disagreeing, just don't see the logic in doing this kind of stuff TOO sell.

The new owner would have to be like "yeah. Let's go back on the road" and not be 2nd rate.
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Bert probably wants to keep the team and move it to Seattle.
 
I don't see what the big deal is. It doesn't change anyone's ability to view the game. I'm guessing that most of the general population (aka - casual fans) will not be able to tell the difference.

I only watch the Blazer's feed ~1/3 of the time (figuring about 1/3 are national broadcasts).
I try and skip over as much of the dialog as I can. Fast forwarding through all the commentary in/out of commercials and during free throws.
 
For what it's worth I'm glad the Blazers are spending money upgrading in Oregon and not spending money in Texas or Florida or Arizona...I love it when players invest in Oregon too. The broadcast crew will be spending their money at home now all season and for that I'm grateful...shop local. Hire local.
 
Phatguysrule said:
And cut their pay by 30% to keep them local!
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It sucks that that happens but travel and jetlag and exposure to sickness are also factors...it happened to me in the school system...I had a part time side job for over 10 years that I was well paid for and that job got outsourced to save money....sucked for me too but I understand why they do it. HCP will always have work in his field...and working from home can be looked at as a perk if you've traveled half a season on the road away from family. There are two ways to look at it. I'll bet most of those folks spend that 30% in cities on the road that would put it in the bank if they worked at home more often than not. I'm just trying to see why they would make this move and I'm not sure if they're investing in higher tech media equipment and are ahead of the curve or if they're just not putting value on the logistics of travel and expenses for Casey or HCP with the team. Maybe it's a really bad move... I sure don't know enough about it.
 
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riverman said:
It sucks that that happens but travel and jetlag and exposure to sickness are also factors...it happened to me in the school system...I had a part time side job for over 10 years that I was well paid for and that job got outsourced to save money....sucked for me too but I understand why they do it. HCP will always have work in his field...and working from home can be looked at as a perk if you've traveled half a season on the road away from family. There are two ways to look at it. I'll bet most of those folks spend that 30% in cities on the road that would put it in the bank if they worked at home more often than not. I'm just trying to see why they would make this move and I'm not sure if they're investing in higher tech media equipment and are ahead of the curve or if they're just not putting value on the logistics of travel and expenses for Casey or HCP with the team. Maybe it's a really bad move... I sure don't know enough about it.
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It's a terrible look. And cutting the pay of your employees is a worse look. It makes us look cheap, like we don't care about the fans or our employees. We signed a horrible deal with a horrible media company, and now we can't afford to pay our crew. But oh yeah, our owner is worth $20 billion!

It's just a bad look all around.
 
I'm wondering how the consolidation of regional sports nets have had on production costs. I know Sinclair has lost $9+ billion after purchasing the Fox Sports Nets and then covid hit. Unless their streaming offering picks up speed they're going to cut more and maybe even drop some regional nets. I'm guessing Root is in the same boat. Also, I'm wondering the cost difference between fielding your own crew and leasing the local market talent already in an opponent's building... I'm guessing the cost is large enough to make a difference over 41 games. When I see companies pinch the penny like this, it's usually followed by an imminent sale.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if more teams (mainly small market) follow suit unfortunately.
 
Phatguysrule said:
If they did that would be less of a blow. But it makes Portland look bad right now.
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Agreed. IF they also had said that they had fixed the streaming issues it would be a much easier pill to swallow. But you throw in the $ loss people are taking, PLUS the Root tv issue, PLUS not having a G-league team PLUS the whole contract with the city/lease issue being up in the air...and you know, anyone with an ounce of business sense would see that maybe it wasn't the smartest thing to do.
 
Phatguysrule said:
If they did that would be less of a blow. But it makes Portland look bad right now.
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Or good if it actually works well. They might end up looking like front runners on this?
Technology is improving and the system has been in place for two years now.
 
Duckhook said:
I'm wondering the cost difference between fielding your own crew and leasing the local market talent already in an opponent's building... I'm guessing the cost is large enough to make a difference over 41 games. When I see companies pinch the penny like this, it's usually followed by an imminent sale.
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Simplest way to boost your profit margin (in the short term) and profitability is quite important when negotiating a sale.
 
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