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I think Bosh has the best chance to bolt of the 2010 stars. Not a bad trade idea, but I'd wonder if we could do a LaMarcus and TO package instead of including Rudy.
 
Uncle Ty said:
I'd like that even more, but I seriously doubt that Toronto would. The difference between Travis and Rudy is significant enough to stall the deal. Toronto might go for it if Bosh makes it very clear to them that he would not re-sign with them. But even then, I think other teams might be able to come up with a better offer.

I think to Toronto, getting Rudy is almost as important as getting LaMarcus. Colangelo envisions his team to play Euro style basketball, and Rudy would be the perfect fit for that style. Sending Sergio Toronto's way would mean that Toronto would have three backcourt players that was on the Spain National Team. Getting a European coach next season, Toronto would be well on its way of forming an all-Euro team.

I forgot to note that we would only do this deal if we receive assurance from Bosh that he would re-sign with us. Better yet, have Bosh extend his contract this summer (he's qualified) before we'd do the trade. No way would I risk all that without knowing for sure that Bosh is ours for at least the next 5 years or so.
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I was thinking along the same line....they would need reassurace before trading away LMA. But I don't think it would be a problem getting Bosh to commit to you guys. He just wants to feel welcome and on a winning team.
 
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I actually (1) don't hate this deal, and (2) think it's reasonable. Rare.
 
Yeah, I'd do it if we were sure that Bosh would re-sign with us. Bosh is already what we hope Aldridge will one day become. Plus, he's not much older.
 
Entity said:
I actually (1) don't hate this deal, and (2) think it's reasonable. Rare.
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Me too . . . I know, rare. You know it's a decent trade when you look at it and go "I love it. Wait, it would suck to lose . . . "

Pros: Bosh is a STUD. An athletic guy who can play with his back to the basket, or face up on the perimeter. A pure scorer you can run iso plays for, and a guy who gets to the line and makes his FT's. He's a playmaker, and that is one thing this team desperately needs - somebody to take the pressure of Roy. He's smart (National honors student in high school), he's good for the community (Chris Bosh Foundation), and he stays out of trouble - important factors these days. A perenial All Star - something we'll never be able to say about LA. Lamarcus (IMO) is about as good as he's going to get, and that's not a bad thing - he's a good player. He's no Chris Bosh and never will be a 23/10 guy.

Cons: How do you get the salaries to match? Bosh's contract is for almost $15 million this year. Is Raef's expiring part of the deal? LA and Rudy combined make less than $6 million. I hate to lose Rudy this early on. I remember trading an unseasoned Drazen Petrovic only to watch him blossom into a 22 pgg stud.

Questions: How would bosh feel about playing in Portland? Not exactly a big market. Would he resign past 2010? Is Bosh injury prone? He hasn't played 70 games since 2005/6.
 
Very impressive trade idea. It makes sense for both teams. I would be very happy to get bosh but very dissapointed to lose LA and Rudy, a very fair trade.

However, I would like to point out that this would not fix all our problems since our big three is already pretty darn good. It's our SF and PG situation that really needs the upgrade. The fact is that Bosh is a little upgrade over LA, but not such a huge upgrade that it would eclipse our other woes.
 
GOD said:
Very impressive trade idea. It makes sense for both teams. I would be very happy to get bosh but very dissapointed to lose LA and Rudy, a very fair trade.

However, I would like to point out that this would not fix all our problems since our big three is already pretty darn good. It's our SF and PG situation that really needs the upgrade. The fact is that Bosh is a little upgrade over LA, but not such a huge upgrade that it would eclipse our other woes.
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That's true. I'm more concerned with our PG situation than SF. If we got Bosh, we could live with a Martell/Outlaw/Batum SF combo. But the PG position remains shaky. I actually like Blake as a b/u PG. He takes care of the ball, shoots well - just don't like him as a starter. You're right - this trade doesn't address all of our needs.
 
Rudy, LMA and RLEC for Bosh? I like it. I'm loathe to give up LMA and Rudy, but for a player of Bosh's caliber I feel it's a fair trade for both sides -- plus it addresses some pressing issues for both teams.

Unfortunately I don't think KP is in any hurry to make deals during the season, Pritchard is great, and draft day genius, but I sometimes wonder if he has it in him to make really bold mid-season moves? (Not that he should be making a lot of them, but I think there are times when you have to be willing to make a huge splash.)
 
GOD said:
However, I would like to point out that this would not fix all our problems since our big three is already pretty darn good. It's our SF and PG situation that really needs the upgrade.
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I disagree completely. So far this season, there has been no "big three." It's been Roy and a bunch of average to above-average role players. Aldridge has shown signs of being that second-tier star, but does not have the consistency to allow us to win on nights when our first player Brandon is off. The same goes for Greg. Upgrading talent, regardless of position, is what this trade offers, and we end up with a legitimate first option as an end result. It allows us to have success even if our SF and PG positions are still shoddy.
 
No thanks. LMA is on his way to being a player of Bosh's caliber. Plus throw in Rudy...that's just asking to bite us in the ass.
 
People are only worrying about this year, not the years ahead.

Does Bosh make this team better this year? Probably a little bit better, yes. Does he make the team significantly better in the future compared to Rudy and LMA on this team? I don't think so. I see LMA being a pretty similar player to Bosh and Rudy is a future 15 Pts/G scorer in this league.

I wouldn't do the trade.
 
MAS RipCity said:
No thanks. LMA is on his way to being a player of Bosh's caliber. Plus throw in Rudy...that's just asking to bite us in the ass.
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LA isn't going to be as good as Bosh. He isn't athletic enough to do the things Bosh does, like face up and take it to the basket. Or spin around a double team and dunk on somebody.

He's a very good player, but not an All Star like Bosh.
 
You know it's really hard for the guys we have here, to get better if they are not allowed out on the court, and offered the touches they need to get better. That means, major incoming pieces, Oden and Bayless have to get some time on the court. Portland would be a much better team down the road, while sacrificing a few wins now, in order to be better by end of year, rather then suffering through the "win by the 3, lose by the 3" bullshit going on right now. I can't think of any championship team that went outside in. Even the guard oriented teams that won championships attacked the rim. The Blazers need to work it inside first, and then the outside game will follow.
 
As long as we don't have to give up Rudy I would do this deal. I would include anyone except Roy, Oden, Rudy in this deal to make it happen.
 
If the Raps continue to play like s*** we definitely have the assets to throw at them. If fact, I think we could put together a package better than any team in the League. A combo of young players+LMA+Exp.

With the threat of Bosh bolting combined with their awful team I'd say anything is possible.
 
Uncle Ty said:
Yes, I think Bosh makes us a better team this year, as well the foreseeable future. Bosh is better than LaMarcus now, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
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I disagree.

I don't think Bosh makes the team much better than an improving Aldridge and improving Rudy.

This team doesn't need to upgrade it's frontline. That's the last thing it needs to do.

This team needs to upgrade the PG position, plain and simple. The PG needs to be able to get into the lane and put pressure on the defense, and actually play something resembling to defense. Good thing is, the Blazers probably already have that guy on the roster in Bayless.

The Blazers have the players they need for the future for the most part, they just aren't fully developed yet.
 
I'd probably be down with something along those lines. Of course, like everyone else, I think it'd be even better if we could get Bosh for Aldridge, LaFrentz and some other combination of players (not named Fernandez, Roy, or Oden) and/or picks.

That said, if we were to give up Rudy and LaMarcus for Bosh, I'd only have two simple requirements if I were KP:

1. That Bosh agrees to and signs an extension as part of the deal.

and

2. That Bosh does all of humanity a favor and cuts his dumb-ass hairdo! I mean, damn... usually, I couldn't possibly care any less about other people's hair, but Bosh's is just so fucking silly it'd make Richard Simmons proud.

In the words of Buddy Love: "Come on [Chris]... I heard of dreadlocks, but shitlocks?"
 
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