US captive soldier in Afghanistan exchanged for 5 Guantanamo detainees

[barfo]

Well, that's what the DA claims, right? We all know DAs never, ever, exaggerate things, and they certainly never lie about things.

Ah, it's a conspiracy! That explains it. That poor woman just had a bunch of foster kids who all needed brain surgery, and that mean DA is picking on her.

That's your story?

barfo

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The state of Oregon says you can't smoke crack, not the federal government. You're an attorney, right? I assume you're familiar with the 14th Amendment? The federal government can prosecute you if you sell crack across state lines, though. The states gave them that power.

Don't know much about federal law, but pretty sure if the feds don't allow possession of marijuana they don't allow possession of cocaine.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Oops, not foster kids. Adopted.

 

[barfo]

Oops, not foster kids. Adopted.

Dang. Adopted it is.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

Ah, it's a conspiracy! That explains it. That poor woman just had a bunch of foster kids who all needed brain surgery, and that mean DA is picking on her.

That's your story?

barfo

I don't have a story. Was Wehby charged with any crime?

 

[PapaG]

Don't know much about federal law, but pretty sure if the feds don't allow possession of marijuana they don't allow possession of cocaine.

Drive over the border and go buy a bag of weed in Washington from a legitimate seller. Then, go to a friend's house, smoke some, then tell everybody you know. Even call up the feds if you feel guilty. They're not going to prosecute you.

 

[PapaG]

Had Wehby, along with the other doctors named, refused surgery and a kid died, would that be an issue?

 

[Denny Crane]

This is a great argument. Doctors should do whatever surgery a (foster) parent demands, regardless of any medical indications or their professional judgement?

barfo

D'oh!

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2014/05/us_senate_candidate_monica_weh.html

Patrick O’Hollaren, a urologist who works with Wehby, said pediatric specialists are particularly vulnerable to parents who want to dupe doctors. That’s because doctors can’t rely on young children to describe their symptoms.

“What the parents tell us is paramount, it’s huge,” he said. “If somebody really wanted to pull the wool over a doc’s eyes over what is going on with the child, it’s doable with any specialty.”

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2014/04/us_senate_candidate_has_drawn.html

Wehby calls her tethered-cord advocacy her proudest professional achievement. It defines her practice, and reflects her personality as well. She says if you don't do it early, say by age 5, the symptoms risk becoming permanent, more serious harm.

Wehby's role in pushing the treatment nationally, even in the face of criticism and controversy, gains importance now that she is running for the Republican nomination to challenge Sen. Rep. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore.

In Wehby's estimation, it illustrates how she presses on when she knows she's right.

Early on, when she says she was being "crucified" by her professional colleagues at meetings, she considered giving up the surgery. But her patients' success stories renewed her conviction.

"It was worth all the hassles and the slings and arrows," Wehby said in a recent interview. "I know that I've changed the lives of so many kids that otherwise would not have been helped."

She said that because she is on salary at Legacy Health, she has no incentive to do more surgeries. Legacy bills carriers about $23,000 per tethered-cord surgery.

Over time, more surgeons have adopted her approach toward using the surgery. But some of her colleagues still think the surgery should be done sparingly, whereas Wehby conducts several dozen each year.

Wehby defends her number of surgeries, saying it's because she has become well-known among parents and urologists around the country. First, because she was more willing to do the surgery than others. And later, because she does it so well, using a tiny incision to lessen the risk and in just 20-30 minutes on an operating table, she says.

And, she says, it works 90 percent of the time or more, with very low risk. "I haven't had any problems," she said.

Indeed, a posting on the popular Portland blog, urbanMamas.com, is filled by parents and patients describing symptoms and surgeries, many of them recommending Wehby when other surgeons refuse to do the surgery.

...

Steinbok, the Vancouver doctor who is leading a study on the topic funded by the National Institutes of Health, says he has changed his position. From being skeptical of Wehby, he has moved toward sometimes doing the surgery himself, though he still wants more scientific backing for it.

He says the tethered-cord controversy is typical of how the practice of medicine changes, by trial and error. If you do something and hurt the patient, you stop. If the patient improves dramatically, you do it again, he said.

 

[PapaG]

D'oh!

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2014/05/us_senate_candidate_monica_weh.html

Patrick O’Hollaren, a urologist who works with Wehby, said pediatric specialists are particularly vulnerable to parents who want to dupe doctors. That’s because doctors can’t rely on young children to describe their symptoms.

.

That's exactly what I posted earlier. When I worked in pharma, every pediatric office from downtown to the coast was in my territory. If the physician doesn't provide care, and that child dies, then the doctor gets sued.

Watching barfo flail around trying yet again to look like he knows anything has been a gas, though. It's as if being a union member requires any sort of free-thinking...

 

[BlazerWookee]

Here is a quick life lesson for you, since I don't want to educate you on more complex issues.

A 100w light bulb isn't the same thing as a 100w space heater.

No, a 100w light bulb is a drastically more efficient way to keep exposed or difficult-to-insulate pumphouse pipes from freezing in winter.

 

[barfo]

Patrick O’Hollaren, a urologist who works with Wehby, said pediatric specialists are particularly vulnerable to parents who want to dupe doctors.

Which, of course, means they should be extra vigilant, which she doesn't appear to have been.

In Wehby's estimation, it illustrates how she presses on when she knows she's right.

And thus both the unnecessary surgeries and the stalking...

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Which, of course, means they should be extra vigilant, which she doesn't appear to have been.



And thus both the unnecessary surgeries and the stalking...

barfo

It appears she was quite vigilant, innovative, and helped everyone she could.

Desperate grasp at straws it seems. People have bitter divorces. She's human.

 

[barfo]

It appears she was quite vigilant, innovative, and helped everyone she could.

Bet the kid who had several unnecessary brain surgeries is not going to agree with you.

She's human.

So was Hitler. Not sure being human is all that big of an achievement.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Bet the kid who had several unnecessary brain surgeries is not going to agree with you.



So was Hitler. Not sure being human is all that big of an achievement.

barfo

Blame the kid's parents. Seems the authorities are!

Let em eat cake!

 

[barfo]

Blame the kid's parents. Seems the authorities are!

There can be more than one party that bears some blame. Clearly the primary culprit here is the crazy mom. I'm not suggesting Wehby's done anything criminal (well, aside from the stalking, that is). But not being charged with a crime should not be the bar one has to hurdle to be a senator.

Let em eat cake!

No, no, force them to eat cake!

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

There can be more than one party that bears some blame. Clearly the primary culprit here is the crazy mom. I'm not suggesting Wehby's done anything criminal (well, aside from the stalking, that is). But not being charged with a crime should not be the bar one has to hurdle to be a senator.



No, no, force them to eat cake!

barfo

I don't really care about this person much, or the election there. All I know is I see talking points and I see her record on the talking points. It's a smear tactic, plain and simple. She seems to have pioneered a kind of surgery that really helps people. This is according to the people helped. The doctors who initially opposed her approach are coming around to thinking she's doing good. Her domestic disputes are a non issue. Makes you look foolish.

It also might be a good idea to elect people who aren't lawyers or SNL clowns for a change.

The force them to eat cake is what to expect from a commie pinko.

 

[barfo]

I don't really care about this person much, or the election there.

I know that. You just want to argue. I get it. Me too!

All I know is I see talking points and I see her record on the talking points. It's a smear tactic, plain and simple.

In the same way that any discussion of any politician is a smear tactic, yes.

She seems to have pioneered a kind of surgery that really helps people. This is according to the people helped.

Did they interview the people that weren't helped? Did they contact everyone she'd operated on to find out the success rate? Or did they just talk to the people she referred them to, and the doctor she works with (who obviously isn't going to say anything too negative publicly)?

The doctors who initially opposed her approach are coming around to thinking she's doing good.

For a self-professed skeptic, you sure aren't very skeptical.

Her domestic disputes are a non issue.

You are asserting that on what basis?

It also might be a good idea to elect people who aren't lawyers or SNL clowns for a change.

Not sure a huge number of SNL clowns have been elected. I can think of one. Lawyers, yes, lots of them get elected. But her opponent isn't a lawyer.

The force them to eat cake is what to expect from a commie pinko.

That's why I said it. I didn't want to disappoint you.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Medicine isn't so much science as it is statistics. They give 1/2 a test group the drug and the other 1/2 a placebo and see if the drug helps. The doctors at the CDC are doing this with her treatment and finding it is quite effective. By her own reckoning, her success rate is 90%, and I'm sure she actually counted the people that came in and had their problem cured.

The doctor she works with? He just said the obvious. That you can't get a medical history by interviewing a child under 5. You have to trust the parents are telling you the truth about how often the kid cries or pukes or goes to the bathroom. But it doesn't fit with the talking point, barfo.

The people she supposedly stalked contributed big time to her campaign, are her neighbors, regret they made any complaint in the first place, etc. They could be lying, but I'll take them at their word unless there's some sort of proof they're bought off or something. That doesn't fit with the talking point, either.

Maybe you all trying to smear her can actually find something in her policy positions to oppose? Like her stand on abortion or something.

 

[MarAzul]

Next time I get the chance, I will ask Merkley if he will vote to ban the 92w light bulb that came on the Market since the 100W voted out.

The man will say something dumb, you can count on it.

 

[barfo]

Medicine isn't so much science as it is statistics. They give 1/2 a test group the drug and the other 1/2 a placebo and see if the drug helps. The doctors at the CDC are doing this with her treatment and finding it is quite effective. By her own reckoning, her success rate is 90%, and I'm sure she actually counted the people that came in and had their problem cured.

Ok, well, if SHE says the success rate is 90%, then it surely is. She'd certainly have no reason to fib.

The doctor she works with? He just said the obvious.

Yes, that was my point too. He JUST said the obvious. He didn't actually say "why, she's the most conscientious, careful doctor I know" or anything like that.

The people she supposedly stalked contributed big time to her campaign, are her neighbors, regret they made any complaint in the first place, etc.

I think you've got the facts a little bit wrong there.

They could be lying, but I'll take them at their word unless there's some sort of proof they're bought off or something.

You just kind of take everyone at their word, don't you? Easy-going Denny...

Maybe you all trying to smear her can actually find something in her policy positions to oppose? Like her stand on abortion or something.

It's not hard to find things I disagree with, despite her fairly minimal policy position portfolio.

Anyway, neither of us give a shit about her, so I'm happy to move on to the next outrage.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I think you got it wrong barfo.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...regon-senate-wehby-20140602-story.html#page=1

The details of her romantic discord are, like many relationships, complicated.

Four days before the primary, Politico reported that an ex-boyfriend, Andrew Miller, called police in April 2013 and accused Wehby of stalking him, entering his home without permission and harassing his employees. The pair had split after dating for about two years.

Interviewed for the story, Miller told Politico he regretted calling the police, describing Wehby as a friend and someone he likes and respects. Indeed, Miller — the wealthy owner of a timber company and a major Republican donor — gave more than $30,000 to a political action committee that attacked Conger in the GOP primary.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think you got it wrong barfo.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...regon-senate-wehby-20140602-story.html#page=1

The details of her romantic discord are, like many relationships, complicated.

Four days before the primary, Politico reported that an ex-boyfriend, Andrew Miller, called police in April 2013 and accused Wehby of stalking him, entering his home without permission and harassing his employees. The pair had split after dating for about two years.

Interviewed for the story, Miller told Politico he regretted calling the police, describing Wehby as a friend and someone he likes and respects. Indeed, Miller — the wealthy owner of a timber company and a major Republican donor — gave more than $30,000 to a political action committee that attacked Conger in the GOP primary.

Relationships may be complicated, but not many relationship end up with one side calling the police saying the other one is stalking them. Much less a wealthy owner of a timber company making allegations against a doctor of stalking, trespass and harassment of others.

You can downplay it to "relationships are complicated" . . . fact is two separate people made police reports of separate incidents of her going off the deep end. Most people have had relationships, most of those are complicated most of those don't end up with the other going to the police making these allegations . . . . twice by two different people!

I don't think that means she is incompetent to serve on congress, but to write it off as that what happens in relationships is silly.

I think the question is more, what does that has to do with her ability to be a senator?

 

[Denny Crane]

Relationships may be complicated, but not many relationship end up with one side calling the police saying the other one is stalking them. Much less a wealthy owner of a timber company making allegations against a doctor of stalking, trespass and harassment of others.

You can downplay it to "relationships are complicated" . . . fact is two separate people made police reports of separate incidents of her going off the deep end. Most people have had relationships, most of those are complicated most of those don't end up with the other going to the police making these allegations . . . . twice by two different people!

I don't think that means she is incompetent to serve on congress, but to write it off as that what happens in relationships is silly.

I think the question is more, what does that has to do with her ability to be a senator?

Interviewed for the story, Miller told Politico he regretted calling the police, describing Wehby as a friend and someone he likes and respects. Indeed, Miller — the wealthy owner of a timber company and a major Republican donor — gave more than $30,000 to a political action committee that attacked Conger in the GOP primary.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Interviewed for the story, Miller told Politico he regretted calling the police, describing Wehby as a friend and someone he likes and respects. Indeed, Miller — the wealthy owner of a timber company and a major Republican donor — gave more than $30,000 to a political action committee that attacked Conger in the GOP primary.

Yes I understand what he is now saying, a wealthy Timber owner, likely a republican, who is now trying to help her win the seat . . . doesn't change the fact he made that report and I don't read anywhere where he is retracting his statements to the police. (And ironically another person involved in a relationship made similar reports.)

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Interviewed for the story, Miller told Politico he regretted calling the police, describing Wehby as a friend and someone he likes and respects. Indeed, Miller — the wealthy owner of a timber company and a major Republican donor — gave more than $30,000 to a political action committee that attacked Conger in the GOP primary.

What was just as interesting is that is said he also won't be donating anymore money to her campaign or the PAC.

 

[Denny Crane]

Miller told Politico he regretted calling the police, describing Wehby as a friend and someone he likes and respects.

When he says he regretted calling the police, that implies he feels he overreacted or was wrong for doing so.

$30K is enough, I guess.

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/04/andrew_miller_friend_of_monica.html

AND

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/05/monica_wehby_accused_of_stalki.html

Wehby told Politico, a Washington, D.C.-based news organization specializing in politics, that she was unaware of the police report and "downplayed the incident."

The first time I ever learned of this report was this evening and there really isn't much to it of consequence," Wehby said in her statement. "A year ago I went through the process of concluding a relationship. That relationship ended amicably, and while I'm not pleased that it has been deemed newsworthy, I guess that is the cost of challenging the political status quo."

Miller also said the two had dated for about two years, according to Politico and now remain friendly.

"There was a week there or so when we were breaking up that people can be emotional. And me included," Miller said. "If I think back to that period of time, I regret saying those things in that light."

"There's a lot of things that I like about Monica and respect about her," Miller added. "I never sought [a protective order]... We're friends."

 

[MarAzul]

What was just as interesting is that is said he also won't be donating anymore money to her campaign or the PAC.

You working for Merkley on the Sly?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Miller told Politico he regretted calling the police, describing Wehby as a friend and someone he likes and respects.

When he says he regretted calling the police, that implies he feels he overreacted or was wrong for doing so.

$30K is enough, I guess.

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/04/andrew_miller_friend_of_monica.html

AND

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/05/monica_wehby_accused_of_stalki.html

Wehby told Politico, a Washington, D.C.-based news organization specializing in politics, that she was unaware of the police report and "downplayed the incident."

The first time I ever learned of this report was this evening and there really isn't much to it of consequence," Wehby said in her statement. "A year ago I went through the process of concluding a relationship. That relationship ended amicably, and while I'm not pleased that it has been deemed newsworthy, I guess that is the cost of challenging the political status quo."

Miller also said the two had dated for about two years, according to Politico and now remain friendly.

"There was a week there or so when we were breaking up that people can be emotional. And me included," Miller said. "If I think back to that period of time, I regret saying those things in that light."

"There's a lot of things that I like about Monica and respect about her," Miller added. "I never sought [a protective order]... We're friends."

Wow Denny. This is politics, I figure you knew the game. Of course he wants that implication and hopes the general public buys that. All kinds of implications can be drawn from his statements. Why not just come out and say it's not true.

I can play the implication game. When he says he regrets calling the police it implies that, being a republican, he wants a republican senator from Oregon and regrets calling the police because it puts her being elected at risk.

 

[Denny Crane]

Wow Denny. This is politics, I figure you knew the game. Of course he wants that implication and hopes the general public buys that. All kinds of implications can be drawn from his statements. Why not just come out and say it's not true.

I can play the implication game. When he says he regrets calling the police it implies that, being a republican, he wants a republican senator from Oregon and regrets calling the police because it puts her being elected at risk.

What is not true?

He said he regrets it, he does.

Democrats brought suit against him, claiming his donations illegal because their personal relationship mean it wasn't independent spending. Hypocrites. Yep, it is politics.

Sure seems like a diversion away from issues and policy positions. Someone is scared.

 

[MarAzul]

What's up with this guy? How many guys in this forum have ever called the cops because a Lady rang your door bell? WTF why didn't the dude answer the door and tell her, your done my dear.

Something wrong with this scene, sort of like it was written by the Oregonian.