US to Deport a Family of Eight?

[oldguy]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...a987e8-a31b-11e3-b865-38b254d92063_story.html

The administration wants to deport a family of eight back to Germany. They came here because they wanted the freedom to educate their children as they see fit. They came here legally, seeking political asylum.

Where is the tolerance?

Where is the compassion?

Where is the consistency?

Do those things only apply to people that come here illegally?

Why does he want to deport a family of eight that came here legally, but find a way to make millions, who came here illegally, into US citizens?

Would he try to deport this family if they can here illegally from Mexico?

Go Blazers

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Why don't they just "disappear" and come back as "Das Rodriguez" family?

 

[Eastoff]

White Christian Europeans that want to home-school, better be outraged!

 

[DaLincolnJones]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...a987e8-a31b-11e3-b865-38b254d92063_story.html

The administration wants to deport a family of eight back to Germany. They came here because they wanted the freedom to educate their children as they see fit. They came here legally, seeking political asylum.

Where is the tolerance?

Where is the compassion?

Where is the consistency?

Do those things only apply to people that come here illegally?

Why does he want to deport a family of eight that came here legally, but find a way to make millions, who came here illegally, into US citizens?

Would he try to deport this family if they can here illegally from Mexico?

Go Blazers

all comes down to there being 11.7 million VS one family..besides, the Germans would probably vote towards the conservative side..

 

[Further]

granting asylum is for when people are being persecuted. This simply doesn't meet the criteria. As to illegals, that's a totally separate issue.

 

[oldguy]

White Christian Europeans that want to home-school, better be outraged!

Not outraged. Just wondering where all that tolerance went that the left is always preaching.

Instead of a smart ass answer, maybe you could hazard a guess as to why this family that came here legally is targeted for deportation, and millions of people that come here illegally are welcomed with open arms?

Go Blazers

 

[oldguy]

granting asylum is for when people are being persecuted. This simply doesn't meet the criteria. As to illegals, that's a totally separate issue.

They are here. They came here legally. Why deport them, but embrace those that came here illegally?

That's not a double standard to you?

Go Blazers

 

[crandc]

Further is correct. Political asylum is granted to those who fear persecution. This family is not being persecuted. They want to do something not permitted by German law. That is not considered a basis for political asylum. I don't see them as "targeted for deportation". They applied for asylum and were denied under the law.

As to people who entered without papers, record numbers have been deported under this Admnistration. In fact there have been big protests around that. Maybe oldguy could get facts straight?

 

[Further]

Not outraged. Just wondering where all that tolerance went that the left is always preaching.

Instead of a smart ass answer, maybe you could hazard a guess as to why this family that came here legally is targeted for deportation, and millions of people that come here illegally are welcomed with open arms?

Go Blazers

welcomed with open arms? they are illegal which is not a synonym for being accepted by the government. If the family decided to be illegal they too could stay here while trying to avoid being caught, getting crappy wages and hope that one day an amnesty will make them legal.

 

[Eastoff]

Not outraged. Just wondering where all that tolerance went that the left is always preaching.

Instead of a smart ass answer, maybe you could hazard a guess as to why this family that came here legally is targeted for deportation, and millions of people that come here illegally are welcomed with open arms?

Go Blazers

As far as I can tell, they are now here illegally. You posted this here to pick a fight with liberals. Admit that.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Their problem is they're too white to cause outrage, so nobody cares.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

welcomed with open arms? they are illegal which is not a synonym for being accepted by the government. If the family decided to be illegal they too could stay here while trying to avoid being caught, getting crappy wages and hope that one day an amnesty will make them legal.

11.7 million that the government will admit to..and yeah, I would agree with the open arms part..they are given preferential treatment in schools, government programs, and services.

71 percent with children receive the earned income credit ( $3000.00 per child) 57% receive assistance, here in oregon they have bent the rules to give them licenses, health care under medicare and medicare (currently under investigation for federal prosecution, seems even the fed has some limits where this liberal state does not) and so on. Look at the education system from kindergarten all the way to post grad, there have been "special" exceptions made for them from dual immersion to giving them "in state" tuition..oh, and even though they are not citizens, all the left can do to promote "rights" for illegals is currently the rage.

I can go on, but I think you get my point..

http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

 

[PapaG]

Further is correct. Political asylum is granted to those who fear persecution. This family is not being persecuted. They want to do something not permitted by German law. That is not considered a basis for political asylum. I don't see them as "targeted for deportation". They applied for asylum and were denied under the law.

As to people who entered without papers, record numbers have been deported under this Admnistration. In fact there have been big protests around that. Maybe oldguy could get facts straight?

Seems to me this German family is now here illegally. Why do you want to deport illegal immigrants, who only seek to improve the lives of their children?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Further is correct. Political asylum is granted to those who fear persecution. This family is not being persecuted. They want to do something not permitted by German law. That is not considered a basis for political asylum. I don't see them as "targeted for deportation". They applied for asylum and were denied under the law.

As to people who entered without papers, record numbers have been deported under this Admnistration. In fact there have been big protests around that. Maybe oldguy could get facts straight?

hmmm want to do something not permitted by German law..not considered a basis for political asylum..of course its all different if its something trendy with the left..say, Russia and their laws in regards to gays...

I think it is all bullshit..if you want to escape persecution for any reason, it should be allowable regardless of what is the latest trend

 

[crandc]

hmmm want to do something not permitted by German law..not considered a basis for political asylum..of course its all different if its something trendy with the left..say, Russia and their laws in regards to gays...

I think it is all bullshit..if you want to escape persecution for any reason, it should be allowable regardless of what is the latest trend

Nope. The law on political asylum is actually quite clear, if you took the trouble to read it. But that would involve, you know, facts. Not cutting/pasting from some blog. The burden of proof for poltiical asylum is on the applicant. He/she/they must show a well founded fear of persecution based on certain protected classes (ethnicity, religion, gender, political affiliation, sometimes sexual orientation). It is VERY difficult for a person from a democracy to get political asylum. Simply wanting to do something that is prohibited by their laws is insufficient. By that logic, a person could move to Washington and claim persecution because marijuana is illegal in his/her native country. Maybe you don't like the way the law is written. I'm not sure I do. But that is the law. Anyone applying for political asylum should (or their attorney should) know the law. I'm sorry, but in this case the law on political asylum simply does not apply. And when a person or persons who apply for asylum have the claim rejected, they are subject to deportation (they can also appeal, of course, all the way to the Supreme Court if they can convince the Supreme Court to take their case). This is the law.

In the case of gays in Russia, they can be thrown into prison simply for being gay. Gays have been attacked, abducted and tortured while police look on. A non gay person who speaks in favor of gay rights is subject to imprisonment. In Uganda, anyone who knows someone is gay and does not report that person to the authorities is subject to imprisonment. That is persecution as defined by law. But I imagine a gay couple would not get asylum just because they want to be married and their home country does not permit, if they could not cite actual persecution.

 

[Further]

11.7 million that the government will admit to..and yeah, I would agree with the open arms part..they are given preferential treatment in schools, government programs, and services.

71 percent with children receive the earned income credit ( $3000.00 per child) 57% receive assistance, here in oregon they have bent the rules to give them licenses, health care under medicare and medicare (currently under investigation for federal prosecution, seems even the fed has some limits where this liberal state does not) and so on. Look at the education system from kindergarten all the way to post grad, there have been "special" exceptions made for them from dual immersion to giving them "in state" tuition..oh, and even though they are not citizens, all the left can do to promote "rights" for illegals is currently the rage.

I can go on, but I think you get my point..

http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

Hi DaLincolnJones. It's been a while, hope your year is going well.





There are two issues here. 1, the German family and their application for asylum. 2) All the illegal people and how this nation plans on dealing with this situation. My main point is that these are two separate issues, one has to do with people already in the system (applying for asylum) and those outside that system. German, Mexican, French or Chinese, if people apply and are denied, they will be returned to their native land unless they avoid being picked up and move elsewhere, sharing the circumstances as the rest of the illegals. The German family would be under all the same rules and could get assistance, send their kids to school (or homeschool them) and do whatever else the rest of the illegals do if they wish to not follow the law.

There is something that ruffles my edges too, regarding people who skirt the system gaining benefit from the system. It feels wrong, and that they should be sent back too. But, on closer look, we have to live in the real world. In the real world, we just don't have the infrastructure to send back many millions of illegals. On top of that, we don't have the economic system in place to handle the loss of the cheap labor force. And then there is the compassionate side. Regardless of how it feels like they shouldn't get away with this, we have to remember that these are individuals who have left their land because it's actually worse than being a bus-boy in America. It's worse that picking lettuce in America. It simply is a terrible life and they have no blame in that situation as individuals. So my heart goes out to them and I do want those who are willing to be hard workers and don't commit other crimes and see America as a beacon of hope, to get a chance to become American.

This is a very complex situation and I don't think it's as easy as saying all illegals should be welcomed in permanently, or all illegals should be banished never to set food on American soil again. But with so many millions being affected, we shouldn't be flippant regardless of which side we take.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Crandc..

no need to be snide..I thought my last sentence summed it up, but to be clear, it is the law I do not agree with. The first part was meant to bring into question the lack of concern when the issue is not PC.

All in all, great post, Crandc

 

[crandc]

Clearly, DaLincoln, there is concern if this case has been nationally publicized.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Hello Further

I do understand the situation and the laws involved. I also see where the first court granted asylum, and that two other courts worked to over turn. I question why they would make that effort?

The main point I was refuting was your flippant remarks regarding not being welcomed with opened arms, as my entire post has shown to be quite untrue.

again..the left can and does champion what they decree to be PC but fall short when it does not meet their definition

 

[MARIS61]

Home schooling in addition to public or private schooling, is every parent's responsibility.

Home schooling instead of public or private schooling is child neglect/abuse.

 

[maxiep]

Further is correct. Political asylum is granted to those who fear persecution. This family is not being persecuted. They want to do something not permitted by German law. That is not considered a basis for political asylum. I don't see them as "targeted for deportation". They applied for asylum and were denied under the law.

As to people who entered without papers, record numbers have been deported under this Admnistration. In fact there have been big protests around that. Maybe oldguy could get facts straight?

LOL. God, you believe every bullshit statistic that comes from this Administration. You understand that they changed the definition of "deported" to people refused entry at the border, right?

 

[oldguy]

Why don't they just "disappear" and come back as "Das Rodriguez" family?

Tough sell. You ever heard Spanish with a German accent?

Go Blazers

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

LOL. God, you believe every bullshit statistic that comes from this Administration. You understand that they changed the definition of "deported" to people refused entry at the border, right?

I changed the definition of murder to those turned away at the border. Obama has killed untold thousands of Mexicans. Where is the outrage?

 

[Further]

Hello Further

I do understand the situation and the laws involved. I also see where the first court granted asylum, and that two other courts worked to over turn. I question why they would make that effort?

I don't know the legal path or reasonings of this case, but just on the sniff test, this doesn't smell like persecution. Just like the example crandc gave from the opposite side of the spectrum, we would not expect asylum to be granted to a gay couple who only weren't permitted to get married (assuming there weren't jail or physical harm that could result from being gay.) regardless of left or right, asylum is typically reserved for people being punished for their views, not simply required to peaceably exist under the same rules as everyone else. Of course, we could splitt hairs with a bunch of what ifs, but as I understand it, requiring kids participate in the education system dosent seem to meet the criteria of persecution.

The main point I was refuting was your flippant remarks regarding not being welcomed with opened arms, as my entire post has shown to be quite untrue.

My remarks were not flippant. You demonstrated that we provide some basic help to illegals, not that we welcome with open arms. But this may be a matter of semantics. What I see as basic methods to make sure people are treated humanly, that we don't have 12million illegals sick and destitute, needing to turn to crime to get their basic needs met, you see as open arms.

But then again Jesus never have wanted us to take care of the sick and destitute, the homeless and exhausted.

 

[oldguy]

I see that the government has decided not to deport the Romeike's. Good on them for being consistent, at least.

Go Blazers

 

[oldguy]

Further is correct. Political asylum is granted to those who fear persecution. This family is not being persecuted. They want to do something not permitted by German law. That is not considered a basis for political asylum. I don't see them as "targeted for deportation". They applied for asylum and were denied under the law.

As to people who entered without papers, record numbers have been deported under this Admnistration. In fact there have been big protests around that. Maybe oldguy could get facts straight?

I used the phase 'targeted for deportation' because that's what one of the articles I read indicated:

"Asylum denied to family that fled Germany to home-school children"

http://news.msn.com/us/asylum-denied-to-family-that-fled-germany-to-home-school-children

In FY 2013:
ICE conducted a total of 368,644 removals.

ICE conducted 133,551 removals of individuals apprehended in the interior of the U.S.

82 percent of all interior removals had been previously convicted of a crime.

ICE conducted 235,093 removals of individuals apprehended along our borders while attempting to unlawfully enter the U.S.

http://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/index.htm

Seems pretty indigenous to make it sound like the government is cracking down on illegal immigrants, as if the government is shipping out every day illegals in high numbers. That's not what is happening. ICE targets criminals, re-entrants, and turning back people as they try to enter the US. The Romeikes were none of those.

They are NOT deporting illegal immigrants who made it into the country and aren't criminals in ANY numbers. The Romeikes were here for years.

We'll have to agree to disagree if you can't see the double standard in that.

As to protests against that minimal ICE enforcement? Yeah, I'm just shocked that there are "big protests" about deporting illegals. There are 12 million illegally here. (Lol) I wonder why lots of illegal immigrants would be willing to take part in "big protests" against deporting illegal immigrants? Are you familiar with the term 'vested interest'?

Go Blazers

 

[oldguy]

welcomed with open arms? they are illegal which is not a synonym for being accepted by the government. If the family decided to be illegal they too could stay here while trying to avoid being caught, getting crappy wages and hope that one day an amnesty will make them legal.

Yeah, seems like open arms to me. In Oregon, the police don't ask if they are here legally. Until a couple years ago, the DMV was issuing drivers licenses to illegals. They are not only accepted in school, but they are not to be left behind, even if they don't understand the language. School districts make accommodations for the language barrier. Children of illegals are given a free education. There are a ton of government and private services set up for them. In-state tuition, for goodness sake! That's not open arms? Always working toward a bill to provide a path to legality, if not citizenship.

I don't get the crappy wages position. Lot's of legal citizens work for crappy wages. Having 12 million additional people competing against them for those crappy wage jobs is a problem for them.

I work in construction. There are a LOT of illegals working on taxpayer funded public projects. Landscapers, concrete finishers, pavers, drywallers, fence builders, roofers. All high paying PWR jobs that should be going to legal Oregon families.

Go Blazers

 

[PapaG]

I see that the government has decided not to deport the Romeike's. Good on them for being consistent, at least.

Go Blazers

The correct decision. Same way I feel about other illegal families in this country. Why did Further and crandc argue against this obvious slam dunk decision?

 

[crandc]

LOL. God, you believe every bullshit statistic that comes from this Administration. You understand that they changed the definition of "deported" to people refused entry at the border, right?

No, I don't believe bullshit statistics that come from this or any other administration.
My citations on deportation come from immigrant rights groups.
And I don't believe in god either.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

No, I don't believe bullshit statistics that come from this or any other administration.
My citations on deportation come from immigrant rights groups.
And I don't believe in god either.

Yet you seemingly pray to Obama....