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From MB's blog:

Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Greg Oden were invited to play for the USA Basketball Select Team in Las Vegas this summer. While Oden and Aldridge will play, Roy will not. The Blazers, along with Roy, decided some rest is perhaps more in order, and that certainly seems like a good decision. We have, however, learned that Jerryd Bayless has now received an invitation, and will play on the select team against Team USA.
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With Roy's history of injuries and his two little ones at home I can understand why he'd be reluctant to give up his only "me" time he's likely to have for the next decade. Good news regarding the rest though; that will only help their game.
 
Great news. All the experience they can get is super. Especially seeing how the top players work.
 
Roy can skip out, no big deal. If he wants a spot on the team, it is his pretty much.
Good to see the rest of the league thinks as highly of Bayless as I do, now if only Nate will just let the damn kid ball out.
 
I wonder how people would be reacting if Oden did the same.
 
You'd think team USA would have invited Blake since OBVIOUSLY he is the better player. I mean Nate started him, and Bayless rarely got off the bench.

Really dumb move on team USA's part
 
Cool, Bayless can play the roll of the guy that's way too intense and is generally talentless and spurs the good players on to greatness. Kind of like how Ruben Patterson motivated Kobe Bryant. Good for him.
 
ebott said:
Cool, Bayless can play the roll of the guy that's way too intense and is generally talentless and spurs the good players on to greatness. Kind of like how Ruben Patterson motivated Kobe Bryant. Good for him.
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Are you being serious or sarcastic? I can't see how this is anything but positive for Bayless. Sure, he won't be the best player on the court, but that's how you get better.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You'd think team USA would have invited Blake since OBVIOUSLY he is the better player. I mean Nate started him, and Bayless rarely got off the bench.

Really dumb move on team USA's part
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I actually just laughed reading this! Doesn't happen very often. Well done!
 
ebott said:
Cool, Bayless can play the roll of the guy that's way too intense and is generally talentless and spurs the good players on to greatness. Kind of like how Ruben Patterson motivated Kobe Bryant. Good for him.
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Did Patterson make it as a Team USA practice partner? I must have missed that. I mean Roy, Aldridge, Oden those are all budding NBA stars or budding Superstar in Roy's case and two hopefuls in Aldridge and Oden but nobody denies their potential. Bayless has that potential to be a star and he needs all the practice against top talent he can get.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You'd think team USA would have invited Blake since OBVIOUSLY he is the better player. I mean Nate started him, and Bayless rarely got off the bench.

Really dumb move on team USA's part
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:lol:
 
Chuck Taylor said:
Are you being serious or sarcastic? I can't see how this is anything but positive for Bayless. Sure, he won't be the best player on the court, but that's how you get better.
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I go back and forth on Bayless. Yesterday that was a serious statement. Today I look at his college shooting percentages and say it sarcastically.
 
I heard that team USA wanted to invite Sergio - but they are waiting to see if Rubio will be willing to come first...

(That's a joke for the slow-thinkers out there).
 
Mediocre Man said:
You'd think team USA would have invited Blake since OBVIOUSLY he is the better player. I mean Nate started him, and Bayless rarely got off the bench.

Really dumb move on team USA's part
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You do know that Blake is too old to be considered for the Select Team, right?

Select Team is composed of mostly very young players and no prime age players.

Bayless was already on this team last year - so the team is picking Bayless because 1) he is really young and 2) they already know what he is about. His invite has - obviously - nothing to do with his inability to get off the Blazer bench or with Blake - who wouldn't have been on their list of names to consider. They didn't choose Bayless over Blake, but Bayless over another young guard.

I know that ruins your Hate On Nate joke. Tough cookies.
 
Masbee said:
You do know that Blake is too old to be considered for the Select Team, right?

Select Team is composed of mostly very young players and no prime age players.

Bayless was already on this team last year - so the team is picking Bayless because 1) he is really young and 2) they already know what he is about. His invite has - obviously - nothing to do with his inability to get off the Blazer bench or with Blake - who wouldn't have been on their list of names to consider. They didn't choose Bayless over Blake, but Bayless over another young guard.

I know that ruins your Hate On Nate joke. Tough cookies.
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Doesn't really ruin it. Blake is too old to make the select team, and too bad to make the real team. Blake in fact never made the select team, and Bayless has made it now twice. So of all the young guards in the league team USA chose Bayless. Out of Steve Blake, Sergio Rodriguez and Jerry Bayless Nate chose both Blake and Sergio ahead of him.

Although like Bayless, Blake was on the junior team.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
Doesn't really ruin it. Blake is too old to make the select team, and too bad to make the real team. Blake in fact never made the select team, and Bayless has made it now twice. So of all the young guards in the league team USA chose Bayless. Out of Steve Blake, Sergio Rodriguez and Jerry Bayless Nate chose both Blake and Sergio ahead of him.

Although like Bayless, Blake was on the junior team.
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You are not making sense.

Blake is coming off his best season.

Blake wasn't as good when he was younger, nor was he a high draft pick. No reason for him to have been picked for a team like this.

Comparing Blake this season - to what he was younger - to Bayless as a young prospect has got you all mixed up. Get it staight.

Are you seriously trying to argue that Bayless last season - as a rookie - was better than Blake? That he was a more productive player? That he would have helped the team win more games if he had started instead of Blake?

Good luck with that.

Sergio can't be selected to play for a USA team. So what the heck were you bringing his name up for?Jesus. We know you hate Nate. The constant (and often fact baseless) harping is old.

Whatever.
 
Masbee said:
Ridiculous.

Prove it.
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There's no objective measure out there that could be finessed into an argument that Bayless had a better season than Steve Blake ... However, I think the main complaint from some is that Nate never let him have a chance to work his way through his growing pains.

Personally I'm more from the "let them earn it in practice" school of thought, and despite Blakes limitations he played fairly mistake free, high percentage basketball last year and Jerryd just wasn't ready.
 
Masbee said:
Ridiculous.

Prove it.
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I think it depends on you definition of better.

Blake was easily a better shooter, and didn't make nearly as many mistakes. But I think Bayless proved in the games where Blake was injured with his shoulder, and Bayless knew he was going to get consistant minutes, that he was much better at other aspects of the possition. Better at drawing fouls. Better at defending the pick and roll. Better at scoring.

On a per 48 mpg basis....Because it's simplest to figure out. For the entire season.

Bayless outscores Blake 16.7 to 16.6
Blake better assists 7.6 to 5.7
Bayless out rebounded Blake 4.2 to 3.8 (40 mpg) Sergio actually was ahead of them both.

For the 14 or so games Bayless played, and new he was going to play consistant minutes his numbers were up across the board.

The fouls shots are the biggest difference. Bayless got to the line a lot more than Blake. About 4 to 1.

Bayless might not have been better, but you could also easily argue that Blake wasn't better than Bayless either.
 
I bet you'll see JB getting some run with the starters in the pre-season. Blake is Nate's voice on the court if you will, but even he has to admit the Bayless can play flat out play.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think it depends on you definition of better.

Blake was easily a better shooter, and didn't make nearly as many mistakes. But I think Bayless proved in the games where Blake was injured with his shoulder, and Bayless knew he was going to get consistant minutes, that he was much better at other aspects of the possition. Better at drawing fouls. Better at defending the pick and roll. Better at scoring.

On a per 48 mpg basis....Because it's simplest to figure out. For the entire season.

Bayless outscores Blake 16.7 to 16.6
Blake better assists 7.6 to 5.7
Bayless out rebounded Blake 4.2 to 3.8 (40 mpg) Sergio actually was ahead of them both.

For the 14 or so games Bayless played, and new he was going to play consistant minutes his numbers were up across the board.

The fouls shots are the biggest difference. Bayless got to the line a lot more than Blake. About 4 to 1.

Bayless might not have been better, but you could also easily argue that Blake wasn't better than Bayless either.
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Selected numbers.

They are different players, so of course you can pick out the numbers that emphasize the positive's to Bayless' game compared to Blake.

Look at ALL the numbers. Overall, Bayless doesn't even come close.

Look at the Defensive Rating for the two players for the season. Blake has better defensive rating numbers. Bayless is all activity to little REAL effect so far in his career. It is fine to get all up in some guard's grill to "intimidate" them. But what does it really matter if that guard is going pass off the ball anyway, or pick you off and launch a jumper. Unless you block a jumper, deflect or steal a pass - it is just a lot of wasted energy. Bayless has a LOT to learn about defense. Blake is a crappy individual defender, but he plays within a team scheme.

If you want to say Bayless brings different things then Blake and could be used as a change of pace - fine. But, to assert that Bayless was a better basketball player is flat out ridiculous.

And to continue to massage your unsupported argument by claiming that Bayless just needed to be handed minutes as a rookie - I don't accept that.

You either grab the minutes by doing good things when your number is called -

OR YOU DON'T.
 
I wonder if Bayless was selected as a SG or PG for USA Basketball?
 
He's the "I'm gonna take it to the rack and school you guard!"
 
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Great news for Bayless!
 
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