Use Boozer to get our guy?

[Tince]

I'm not great at determining if a 3-way trade works under the CBA, but I'm thinking if Utah wants to simply dump salary, we might be able to use him to target guys like Harris, Gerald Wallace, and Prince.

Please help me edit these trades to make them more reasonable, as they are all more of less off the top of my head.

Trade 1
Detroit Gets: Boozer, Przybilla
Portland Gets: Prince, Maxiell
Utah Gets: Portland's 2010 1st Round Pick

Detroit might consider this because they retain cap space to sign 1 max FA in the summer of 2010, with a loaded roster.

Trade 2
Bobcats Get: Outlaw, Webster, Boozer
Portland Gets: Wallace, Diaw
Utah Gets: Portland's 2010 1st Round Pick

This scenario would give the Bobcats enough 2010 cap room to sign 2 max FA's to go along with Okafor, Felton, and Augustin. This might be more likely near the deadline if the team is struggling.

Trade 3
Nets Get: Boozer, Blake
Portland Gets: Harris
Utah Gets: Portland's 2010 1st Round Pick

If the Nets did this, they would still have enough cap room to sign 2 max FA's in the summer of 2010.

Trade 4
Wizards Get: Boozer
Portland Gets: Butler
Utah gets: Portland's 2010 1st Round Pick

Again, this would be something the Wizards consider mid-season if their season is in the tank.

Summary

I'm assuming Utah wants to resign Millsap and avoid the luxury tax, if that's not true, then none of these deals work. I'm also assuming the 3rd party wants to test out Boozer, and/or have the option to make a major run in the summer of 2010.

Feel free to rip me apart, but more importantly, try and adjust these trades so they are more fair, work under the CBA, and get us a top tier guy you want!

 

[Minstrel]

Trade 3
Nets Get: Boozer, Blake
Portland Gets: Harris
Utah Gets: Portland's 2010 1st Round Pick

I think Portland would have to package more value than just Blake with Boozer. Perhaps a player like Fernandez (wouldn't that be an interesting reprise of trading Petrovic to New Jersey?).

Even if it took sending Rudy and Bayless with Boozer, I'd do it. It would be a very nice consolidation deal. It would also give New Jersey a big man and two young, talented and cheap guards.

 

[Tince]

I think Portland would have to package more value than just Blake with Boozer. Perhaps a player like Fernandez (wouldn't that be an interesting reprise of trading Petrovic to New Jersey?).

Even if it took sending Rudy and Bayless with Boozer, I'd do it. It would be a very nice consolidation deal. It would also give New Jersey a big man and two young, talented and cheap guards.

I agree, and I would give more as well. Listening to Bucher today on the radio made me think the Nets would give up on Harris a lot easier. He cited that Harris was great on a bad team because he could run and play care free, but that he's still the same player he was with the Mavs, and that's the type of stats Portland would get from him.

What do you think of the other 3 trades?

 

[Draco]

Boozer makes $12.3 million I don't think we have the cap room to take all his salary; I'd imagine Utah will probably have to take a player making $3-$4 million back. Maybe the 3 way changes the figures but I believe they'll have to receive SOME salary.

 

[Minstrel]

What do you think of the other 3 trades?

I have the same reservations about the Butler trade, Portland would probably have to give some cheap talent, since Washington probably can't afford to keep an Arenas/Jamison/Boozer trio together long-term, so will probably have to let Boozer go at the end of the year, whether it works or not. Thus, he'd basically be a one-year rental for them. They'd probably want some inexpensive assets to show for Butler beyond the coming season.

The other two deals seem pretty balanced to me and pretty interesting.

 

[Tince]

Boozer makes $12.3 million I don't think we have the cap room to take all his salary; I'd imagine Utah will probably have to take a player making $3-$4 million back. Maybe the 3 way changes the figures but I believe they'll have to receive SOME salary.

You're probably right. I figured at long as we send out more than $4 million in salary and the team sending us a player is within 25% of Boozer's salary, we'd be ok. I honestly don't understand how that works.

 

[Minstrel]

Boozer makes $12.3 million I don't think we have the cap room to take all his salary; I'd imagine Utah will probably have to take a player making $3-$4 million back. Maybe the 3 way changes the figures but I believe they'll have to receive SOME salary.

I asked this in another thread, but could Portland basically send $3 million and a draft pick to Utah? Is it within the rules to have open cap space bridge the gap between $3 million cash considerations and a $12 million contract?

 

[Tince]

I asked this in another thread, but could Portland basically send $3 million and a draft pick to Utah? Is it within the rules to have open cap space bridge the gap between $3 million cash considerations and a $12 million contract?

Great question! I hope someone here can answer.

I've read Larry Coon's FAQ, but I can't figure it out!

 

[glazeduck]

While I LOVE the prospect of getting a guy like Harris by facilitating a 3way w/ our cap space, I think the reality of the situation is that Utah will not simply give Boozer away for free, if for no other reason than they don't have to. They can hang onto him and enjoy having a top-flight PF for one more year.

I DO think however, that if they were motivated to move him for something, that an opportunity similar to one presented in the OP could arise, I just don't think we'd be able to get away w/ getting a star for scraps. We'd likely have to give up a few young players in the process. Still definitely worth checking into though.

 

[Tince]

While I LOVE the prospect of getting a guy like Harris by facilitating a 3way w/ our cap space, I think the reality of the situation is that Utah will not simply give Boozer away for free, if for no other reason than they don't have to. They can hang onto him and enjoy having a top-flight PF for one more year.

I DO think however, that if they were motivated to move him for something, that an opportunity similar to one presented in the OP could arise, I just don't think we'd be able to get away w/ getting a star for scraps. We'd likely have to give up a few young players in the process. Still definitely worth checking into though.

My thought process is that Utah wants to resign Millsap (I believe this is true) and they were secretly wishing that Boozer would opt out so they wouldn't have to go over the tax. The problem Utah is facing is that they might have Boozer this year, but he could very easily leave next year. In the meantime, they'll have to let Millsap walk, and a year from now have lost both their PF's for nothing.

Trading Boozer would instantly mean they resign Millsap for a more reasonable long-term deal.

 

[number 10]

I asked this in another thread, but could Portland basically send $3 million and a draft pick to Utah? Is it within the rules to have open cap space bridge the gap between $3 million cash considerations and a $12 million contract?

I'm not sure why sending cash would have any implications on that team's salary cap situation. $3m of Paul Allen's money should be considered similar to a future draft pick as far as the salary cap is concerned, ie no effect.

As far as using the cap space on Boozer, the Blazers could do a three way trade with Charlotte:
Charlotte gets Boozer
Blazers get Gerald Wallace
Utah gets Outlaw

Boozer makes $12,323,900, Wallace makes $9,500,000, Outlaw makes $3,600,000.

Blazers have $7,717,278 in cap room, but they can increase that to $8,908,090 (figure stolen from BE) by renouncing Koponen and Freeland (or just trade their rights to Utah). At which point, Portland gets Boozer in a S&T for Outlaw (the difference in their salaries is $8,723,900). The Blazers could then trade Boozer to Charlotte for Wallace and filler (Raja Bell or Nazr would work).

edit - maybe not.

Under no circumstances can a team sign and then trade another team's free agent.

 

[Tince]

I'm not sure why sending cash would have any implications on that team's salary cap situation. $3m of Paul Allen's money should be considered similar to a future draft pick as far as the salary cap is concerned, ie no effect.

As far as using the cap space on Boozer, the Blazers could do a three way trade with Charlotte:
Charlotte gets Boozer
Blazers get Gerald Wallace
Utah gets Outlaw

Boozer makes $12,323,900, Wallace makes $9,500,000, Outlaw makes $3,600,000.

Blazers have $7,717,278 in cap room, but they can increase that to $8,908,090 (figure stolen from BE) by renouncing Koponen and Freeland (or just trade their rights to Utah). At which point, Portland gets Boozer in a S&T for Outlaw (the difference in their salaries is $8,723,900). The Blazers could then trade Boozer to Charlotte for Wallace and filler (Raja Bell or Nazr would work).

Please explain this to me. Since all players involved are under contract, who would be part of a sign and trade?

 

[number 10]

Please explain this to me. Since all players involved are under contract, who would be part of a sign and trade?

sorry, I keep thinking that Boozer is a free agent, I really need to stop thinking about this and go to bed. So, forget my edit above, ignore the sign and trade part. You trade Outlaw for Boozer, with Portland's cap space picking up the difference in salary, then trade Boozer to Charlotte for Wallace.

 

[glazeduck]

My thought process is that Utah wants to resign Millsap (I believe this is true) and they were secretly wishing that Boozer would opt out so they wouldn't have to go over the tax. The problem Utah is facing is that they might have Boozer this year, but he could very easily leave next year. In the meantime, they'll have to let Millsap walk, and a year from now have lost both their PF's for nothing.

Trading Boozer would instantly mean they resign Millsap for a more reasonable long-term deal.

Could be true, but at the very least they have the leverage to walk away from a deal that brings them nothing, simply because Boozer is already theirs and is a talent. W/ the cap # to plummet next season, you'll see lots of players staying put, which, unfortunately, also helps Utah out w/ Boozer.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to pritchslap Utah, but it doesn't seem to make alot of sense to me for them to simply allow it when they don't have to.