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I was hoping we would keep this dude around. We need a Big who can muscle in the paint. Something which our 7-1 SG is incapable of doing.

To be fair to Meyers he was groomed to be a three-point shooting, stretch Four by the Blazers. (Mistakenly, IMO, I might add - it's just made him even softer).
He really could use an off-season of boxing or martial arts to learn to embrace contact, and not shy away from it.
 
I actually think Kaman is better at it than Varajao

Has Kaman ever had a 35 point game?



I get it: he's not the player he once was, and he's hardly played at all.

Still....35 points in today's basketball by a big of his type is impressive.
 
Yeah but Kaman was an all star

Now that I didn't know, actually. And now he's a 3rd string center on the bench.

What happened? Age? Is he really that old?

Forgive my ignorance, but I had no idea who this guy was before he came here.
 
To be fair to Meyers he was groomed to be a three-point shooting, stretch Four by the Blazers. (Mistakenly, IMO, I might add - it's just made him even softer).
He really could use an off-season of boxing or martial arts to learn to embrace contact, and not shy away from it.

I don't think Meyers shies away from contact at all. He has had no problem mixing it up with the most physical centers in the league. It's just that he doesn't quite yet know how to use his body. The worst is when he boxes out. He's really bad at it.
 
I don't think Meyers shies away from contact at all. He has had no problem mixing it up with the most physical centers in the league. It's just that he doesn't quite yet know how to use his body. The worst is when he boxes out. He's really bad at it.

Fair enough. But 4 years in this league and he's still this bad/inconsistent. Just once, I want to see him pivot inside, dribble to the basket, and slam it down. Just once.
 
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Fair enough. But 4 years in this league and he's still this bad/inconsistent. Just once, I want to see him pivot inside, dribble to the basket, and slam it down. Just once.

Yeah, I do wish Stotts expanded his role a little more offensively. He has touch around the basket but he almost never posts up. There's no reason why he couldn't develop into a threat with his back to the basket. He really has all the skills to be a complete offensive player.
 
With Ezeli down with an injury I bet Andy ends up in Golden State.

I bet not; he had severely declining athleticism, tore an Achilies and has been horrific in the year since. Golden State can play McAdoo or Speights more.
 
Now that I didn't know, actually. And now he's a 3rd string center on the bench.

What happened? Age? Is he really that old?

Forgive my ignorance, but I had no idea who this guy was before he came here.

Kaman could certainly be a productive backup in the right situation. He was effective starting for us last year. Problem is he makes $5million and we are building with youth. If he was making the minimum teams would've had interest. The league is also just full of unused centers with small ball taking over.

Back in the day Kaman could really score the ball. Not a bad defender. Always been a poor passer though. He was injured often and had a bad attitude. Flipped that attitude around here. At his peak he was far more effective than Varejao ever was.

On average players decline a lot past the age of 30; don't think fans take that into account enough. Often look at what a player has done instead of what they're likely to do going forward. A hall of famer may still be very productive after 30, and some players decline less than others. But take an average starter, have them lose quickness it makes them a borderline rotational player.
 
Now that I didn't know, actually. And now he's a 3rd string center on the bench.

What happened? Age? Is he really that old?

Forgive my ignorance, but I had no idea who this guy was before he came here.
Kaman was an amazing player when he was with the Clippers. Fantastic footwork, and just kinda unstoppable around the basket. If you don't remember Kaman, then perhaps you don't remember young Z-Bo either? If you do, I think there were a lot of similarities between the two, but Kaman dunked more.
 
On average players decline a lot past the age of 30; don't think fans take that into account enough. Often look at what a player has done instead of what they're likely to do going forward. A hall of famer may still be very productive after 30, and some players decline less than others. But take an average starter, have them lose quickness it makes them a borderline rotational player.
Great point. I posted this in an earlier thread, but below is a graph showing age and PER (includes players playing more than 96 minutes per season.). -

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The peak years for a player are for ages 24 thru 29. It's a pretty steep decline after that. There's a slight bump in the data after age 35 only because the only players still playing at that age are usually hall of famers or aging all-stars.
 
Now that I didn't know, actually. And now he's a 3rd string center on the bench.

What happened? Age? Is he really that old?

Forgive my ignorance, but I had no idea who this guy was before he came here.

http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=4898518

Interim Los Angeles Clippers coach Kim Hughes refuses to claim credit forChris Kaman's progress, but the work Hughes has performed mentoring Kaman in the Big Man Arts has helped to elevate the seventh-year center's game.

On Thursday, that improvement earned Kaman his first All-Star appearance. He'll replace injured Brandon Roy on the Western Conference roster. Kaman's invitation to Dallas is the first extended to a Clipper since Elton Brand was voted onto the Western Conference squad in 2006.

Kaman has been indispensable to the Clippers' limited success this season. He leads the team in scoring and is the focal point of the Clippers' offense (he's the team leader in usage rate, the percentage of possessions used by a player). The Clippers are also winless in the six games Kaman hasn't been in uniform, which might be the most telling number of the bunch.

Kaman has expanded the range on his jump shot, and his footwork and ambidexterity make him a formidable post presence. That combination of skills riddles opposing defenses, which certainly have taken notice. Opponents must attend to Kaman at 17 feet -- something that hasn't traditionally been the case in past seasons.

Many teams have taken to double-teaming Kaman when he catches the ball below the foul line. Although Kaman still has room for improvement as a passer out of those double-teams, he's far more capable at finding shooters on kickouts, which helps explain his career-best assist rate this season. Then there's his plummeting turnover rate, down to 13.6. Kaman's previous best was 16.4 in 2006-07.

While still Clippers coach, Mike Dunleavy summarized Kaman's expanded skill set a few weeks ago.

"Part of it is that he's as versatile a big man as there is in the league," Dunleavy said. "Some guys are post-up guys. Some guys are pick-and-roll guys. Very few guys are guys who can do both. He can put the ball on the floor and make a pass, too."

On the defensive end of the floor, Kaman has made tremendous strides. Although his blocked shots are down, he's a far more effective pick-and-roll defender and has mastered the Clippers' defensive rotations. Statistical analyst Aaron Barzilai, who works for the Memphis Grizzlies, measures the disparity between a team's performance when a specific player is on or off the court. According to his data, Kaman ranks as the most effective defender in the NBA. Although these metrics might not be airtight (they might say as much about the Clippers' reserves as about Kaman), there's no denying that the Clippers are a far superior defensive unit when Kaman is on the floor.
 
Before his mid season injury last year, early on he was getting nods for the 6man of the year...Kaman is a crafty player and he's only 33..folks act like he's 43 sometimes. He's only two years older than Lebron ..I hope he joins the coaching staff after this season
 
These guys get paid millions. They'll get over their buddy not being on the team anymore.

Frazier was pretty awful.
I understand that. But how much they get paid has nothing to do with their age and how they could respond to a chemistry shake up. If we were a team of established vets I wouldn't think twice about this. But I feel this is a unique situation and it is short sighted to think there's no way it could effect the team
 
Fair enough. But 4 years in this league and he's still this bad/inconsistent. Just once, I want to see him pivot inside, dribble to the basket, and slam it down. Just once.
Once is never enough. You know you'll want it again and again. :)
 

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