Vet Wing Talk

[Stevenson]

Like Nic Batum of 3 years ago? Certainly not the Nic of now.

Batum
By the Numbers

• Batum ranked first in assists per game (7.0), tied for second in rebounding (5.8) and 10th in steals (1.00) amongst all NBA shooting guards with 20 games played following the All-Star Break.
• He finished with at least seven assists in a career-high nine-consecutive games from Feb. 14-March 6, the longest streak by a Charlotte player since 2009. Batum also notched a takeaway in 15-straight games from Feb. 8-March 13, which was another new personal best and the lengthiest stretch by any Hornet player in five years.
• The Frenchman recorded a pair of triple-doubles this season, giving him five with the Hornets and nine overall for his career. He is now tied with Larry Johnson for the second-most triple-doubles in team history, trailing only all-time leader Anthony Mason (7).
• In his second triple-double of the season on March 15 in Atlanta, Batum racked up a career-high 16 assists. It was the most assists by any player in franchise history in a triple-double and tied for the third-highest such total in the NBA this season.
• Batum now sits in seventh place on the franchise’s all-time three-point field goal leaderboard (366) and 10th in assists (1,208).

 

[LayneStaley]

If PG and LBJ are going to the Lakers why don’t we figure a way out to bring Ingram here. Nurk/Collins/Ingram could all grow together for the next decade I guess.

 

[Sarni]

If PG and LBJ are going to the Lakers why don’t we figure a way out to bring Ingram here. Nurk/Collins/Ingram could all grow together for the next decade I guess.

He’s too valuable. The only way they would trade him would be if they got a haul in return. They will probably include him in a proposed deal for Kawhi and if that doesn’t work, they will integrate him into the team next to LeBron and George and try to shop him when another superstar becomes available.

We don’t have anything to offer that would get you remotely close to getting Ingram. Unless you mean the other, 32-year old Ingram they played at the end of last season.

 

[dviss1]

Lillard (35) / McCollum (13) / Simons / Baldwin
McCollum (21) / Matthews (23) / Chandler (4) / Trent
Aminu (24) / Chandler (18) / Harris (6) Layman
Harris (24) / Collins (24) / Arthur
Nurkic (28) / Davis (30) / Papagiannis

FTFY

 

[dviss1]

He’s too valuable. The only way they would trade him would be if they got a haul in return. They will probably include him in a proposed deal for Kawhi and if that doesn’t work, they will integrate him into the team next to LeBron and George and try to shop him when another superstar becomes available.

We don’t have anything to offer that would get you remotely close to getting Ingram. Unless you mean the other, 32-year old Ingram they played at the end of last season.

Lol. Bro here's what you're not understanding:

LeBron has every bit of leverage.

HE will choose where he will go and Cleveland just has to deal with it.

 

[Sarni]

Lol. Bro here's what you're not understanding:

LeBron has every bit of leverage.

HE will choose where he will go and Cleveland just has to deal with it.

He won't tell them to send Ingram to Portland for some change though, will he?

If he tells them to trade Ingram or he doesn't come (I have no idea why he'd ever do that), they'll take the best deal possible and us offering them a bunch of average picks or average players won't cut it.

 

[dviss1]

He won't tell them to send Ingram to Portland for some change though, will he?

If he tells them to trade Ingram or he doesn't come (I have no idea why he'd ever do that), they'll take the best deal possible and us offering them a bunch of average picks or average players won't cut it.

That literally makes no sense. None whatsoever. How did this post get a like??

LeBron has the ability to choose whatever team he wants to play on. What does that have to do with trading Ingram to us?? You don't seem to have a clue right now.

LeBron has a PLAYER option. He either opts out and they lose him for nothing or they take whatever scraps they can get for him when he opts in.

Plain and simple.

How do you think CP3 got to Houston?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Batum
By the Numbers

• Batum ranked first in assists per game (7.0), tied for second in rebounding (5.8) and 10th in steals (1.00) amongst all NBA shooting guards with 20 games played following the All-Star Break.
• He finished with at least seven assists in a career-high nine-consecutive games from Feb. 14-March 6, the longest streak by a Charlotte player since 2009. Batum also notched a takeaway in 15-straight games from Feb. 8-March 13, which was another new personal best and the lengthiest stretch by any Hornet player in five years.
• The Frenchman recorded a pair of triple-doubles this season, giving him five with the Hornets and nine overall for his career. He is now tied with Larry Johnson for the second-most triple-doubles in team history, trailing only all-time leader Anthony Mason (7).
• In his second triple-double of the season on March 15 in Atlanta, Batum racked up a career-high 16 assists. It was the most assists by any player in franchise history in a triple-double and tied for the third-highest such total in the NBA this season.
• Batum now sits in seventh place on the franchise’s all-time three-point field goal leaderboard (366) and 10th in assists (1,208).

When you are basically the best player on the team in the crappy East, you should do more than that.

That literally makes no sense. None whatsoever. How did this post get a like??

LeBron has the ability to choose whatever team he wants to play on. What does that have to do with trading Ingram to us?? You don't seem to have a clue right now.

LeBron has a PLAYER option. He either opts out and they lose him for nothing or they take whatever scraps they can get for him when he opts in.

Plain and simple.

How do you think CP3 got to Houston?

Yes it does,

He is saying If LBJ says he wants to go to LA, but LA needs to get rid of Ingram, They wont just let Ingram go for nothing, they will still go for the best package... a package most teams can make better than we can. This means Ingram to Portland is all but not possible.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That literally makes no sense. None whatsoever. How did this post get a like??

LeBron has the ability to choose whatever team he wants to play on. What does that have to do with trading Ingram to us?? You don't seem to have a clue right now.

LeBron has a PLAYER option. He either opts out and they lose him for nothing or they take whatever scraps they can get for him when he opts in.

Plain and simple.

How do you think CP3 got to Houston?

The post you initially responded to when you said:

Lol. Bro here's what you're not understanding:

...was a post in response to the idea of Ingram being traded to Portland.

If PG and LBJ are going to the Lakers why don’t we figure a way out to bring Ingram here. Nurk/Collins/Ingram could all grow together for the next decade I guess.

He’s too valuable. The only way they would trade him would be if they got a haul in return...We don’t have anything to offer that would get you remotely close to getting Ingram. Unless you mean the other, 32-year old Ingram they played at the end of last season.

y'all are basically talking about completely different topics (what Cleveland will take in a Lebron deal vs what LA will take in an Ingram deal)

 

[dviss1]

y'all are basically talking about completely different topics (what Cleveland will take in a Lebron deal vs what LA will take in an Ingram deal)

Is it though?

LA will take LeBron and Cleveland will take whatever they can get. They have no leverage. If LeBron wants to go to LA, and wants Ingram on his team, Ingram will be on his team.

 

[Boob-No-More]

What am I missing here? Why, exactly, would LAL "need to get rid of" Brandon Ingram? Why would they want to? They have a butt load of cap space and he's only on the books for $5.7 million in 2018-19.

I repeat, what am I missing here? Did he sleep with LeBron's mom, or something?

BNBM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Is it though?

LA will take LeBron and Cleveland will take whatever they can get. They have no leverage. If LeBron wants to go to LA, and wants Ingram on his team, Ingram will be on his team.

It is, because....NOBODY was talking about what Cleveland would take.

The premise of the initial post was the notion that if both George and Lebron went to the Lakers, there wouldn't really be much playing time for Ingram, so perhaps LA would be willing to deal him. Obviously, if Lebron wants Ingram to stay, he stays. The hypothetical was solely based on the notion that LA (and by extension, Lebron) didn't want Ingram to stay.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What am I missing here? Why, exactly, would LAL "need to get rid of" Brandon Ingram? Why would they want to? They have a butt load of cap space and he's only on the books for $5.7 million in 2018-19.

I repeat, what am I missing here? Did he sleep with LeBron's mom, or something?

BNM

Personally, I don't see it. But in theory, if Lebron and PG are taking up 70+mpg at the forward spots, there's not a lot of time for Ingram, unless he plays out of position. Honestly though, I could see him playing the 2 with Lebron and George and thriving.

 

[dviss1]

It is, because....NOBODY was talking about what Cleveland would take.

Because it doesn't matter. They have to take what they can get.

Ingram can play and still get plenty of time.

Ball
pG13
Ingram
Bron
Whoever else

 

[Boob-No-More]

Personally, I don't see it. But in theory, if Lebron and PG are taking up 70+mpg at the forward spots, there's not a lot of time for Ingram, unless he plays out of position. Honestly though, I could see him playing the 2 with Lebron and George and thriving.

PG13 and Ingram would be "wings", forget SF vs. SG. Those two positions have become pretty much interchangeable in today's NBA.

BNM

 

[Propagandist]

PG13 and Ingram would be "wings", forget SF vs. SG. Those two positions have become pretty much interchangeable in today's NBA.

BNM

I'd argue that "combo" guards are more common now, see CJ and Dame. And that SF and PF have become more interchangeable, see Moe and Chief.

 

[dviss1]

PG13 and Ingram would be "wings", forget SF vs. SG. Those two positions have become pretty much interchangeable in today's NBA.

BNM

Even better:

Bron
pG13
Ingram
Kuzma
Whoever else

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If PG and LBJ are going to the Lakers why don’t we figure a way out to bring Ingram here. Nurk/Collins/Ingram could all grow together for the next decade I guess.

So the consensus answer your question @LayneStaley, appears to be that the reason we don't figure a way to bring Ingram here if PG and LBJ go to the Lakers is because his game is not incompatible with theirs. All three can likely play together without any conflict.

Honestly though, I could see him playing the 2 with Lebron and George and thriving.

Ingram can play and still get plenty of time.

PG13 and Ingram would be "wings", forget SF vs. SG. Those two positions have become pretty much interchangeable in today's NBA.

 

[dviss1]

I'd argue that "combo" guards are more common now, see CJ and Dame. And that SF and PF have become more interchangeable, see Moe and Chief.

Bro, LeBron can play all 5 positions.

PG probably 3

Ingram 2.

KD has played from 2-4.

I'd disagree with your assessment.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Even better:

Bron
pG13
Ingram
Kuzma
Whoever else

I want to like the post for the validity of the content, but I refuse to do so because of the possibility of its reality in a despised franchise.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Bro, LeBron can play all 5 positions.

Maybe they should go
Ball
PG
Ingram
Kuzma
Lebron

Lebron James--Point Center.

 

[dviss1]

I want to like the post for the validity of the content, but I refuse to do so because of the possibility of its reality in a despised franchise.

Great Job! NO ONE should like that post.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'd argue that "combo" guards are more common now, see CJ and Dame. And that SF and PF have become more interchangeable, see Moe and Chief.

PG13 has played all 3 positions, SG, SF and PF, but he hated playing PF. Indiana tried to make him into a small ball 4 and he hated it.

If (and I hope to god it doesn't happen), LAL gets both LeBron and PG13, he won't have to play the 4. LeBron can easily handle that. With Ingram's improved 3-point shooting, he can play the SG role on offense and PG13 can guard the opposing SG or SF, depending on who is the better offensive player.

Point being, there is no reason to move Ingram if they land LeBron and PG13. LeBron and PG13 are versatile enough at both ends of the court to fit with just about any lineup you could concoct.

BNM

 

[Propagandist]

Bro, LeBron can play all 5 positions.

PG probably 3

Ingram 2.

KD has played from 2-4.

I'd disagree with your assessment.

"More common." "More interchangeable." These aren't absolute terms. Also "can" is different than "do;" it's lineup dependent. PG isn't going to guard CJ except for spot duty, for example, at least not well.

You are also talking about the exceptions, which is fine but does not represent the norm by any means.

 

[Boob-No-More]

PG isn't going to guard CJ except for spot duty, for example, at least not well.

Why not? PG13 is comparable to Jimmy Butler defensively and Butler has no trouble guarding C.J.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

"PG isn't going to guard CJ except for spot duty, for example, at least not well.

Huh? PG is one of the best OTB defenders in the league.

My point, that I didn't illustrate clear enough, is that I disagree that they're more common.

 

[Propagandist]

Why not? PG13 is comparable to Jimmy Butler defensively and Butler has no trouble guarding C.J.

BNM

Huh? PG is one of the best OTB defenders in the league.

My point, that I didn't illustrate clear enough, is that I disagree that they're more common.

Both PG and Butler are great defensive players with differing styles of playing defense. Butler moves his feet really well and gets chest up into the body and PG uses his arms and incredible prescience to reign players in and bother the dribble/shot. All I'm saying is I've notice PG's style is not conducive to guarding CJ. I obviously picked the wrong example. My fault.

As to the more common, more interchangeable stuff. I'm surprised it's even arguable. I think, in general, lineups are less rigid than they once were, and yes these super dynamic players can play multiple positions. But just think of when we moved Chief to the 4 and how strange that seemed--at first. Because LA was the traditional-sized PF we were all used to. Now, guys like Carmelo have moved from SF to PF, and LeBron, because the forward position is just that now: SF and PF. There are many examples, but the Blazers have enough to suffice. Moe, same thing: SF, who can switch onto, or even play PF.

As for the combo guard thing; let's again just look at the Blazers. Which Blazer guards fit that mold? CJ, Dame, Baldwin, new kid Simons, and even Napier at times. And that's just on the Blazers!

There are of course exceptions: Ben Simmons and KD and LeBron and Ingram and half of the Bucks roster and so forth. And there are three guard lineups and stuff that put people in unique positions. And this SG/SF mold BNM mentions certainly exists. Guys like Pat or ET or Trent Jr (Coincidentally, what do those guys have in common? They kind of suck.)

I'm happy to agree to disagree.

 

[Sarni]

That literally makes no sense. None whatsoever. How did this post get a like??

LeBron has the ability to choose whatever team he wants to play on. What does that have to do with trading Ingram to us?? You don't seem to have a clue right now.

LeBron has a PLAYER option. He either opts out and they lose him for nothing or they take whatever scraps they can get for him when he opts in.

Plain and simple.

How do you think CP3 got to Houston?

Well I was responding to a post that suggested we should try and get Ingram if LeBron goes to Lakers, and said we don’t have the assets to get it done.

Then you said that they will do whatever LeBron tells them to do and I just said I didn’t believe one of those things would be to ask Lakers to get rid of Ingram for less than his value and send him here.

I don’t see how I don’t have a clue here, honestly. I just said we can’t trade for Ingram and you basically said it’s up to LeBron.

 

[calvin natt]

I don't think it will change any but add Courtney Lee

Courtney Lee Alert

 

[BBert]

Comparison:

Wilson Chandler vs. Courtney Lee

Discuss....