Vonleh and Ed

[Scalma]

Other than Meyers and ET who are you counting?

Leonard shouldn't even count. He was paid what he was worth at the time.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Leonard shouldn't even count. He was paid what he was worth at the time.

Was anyone else offering Leonard $41M? If not, then how can we say that's what he was worth?

 

[Scalma]

Was anyone else offering Leonard $41M? If not, then how can we say that's what he was worth?

Just because it wasn't reported doesn't mean offers weren't there. You honestly believe Neil just arrived at that number randomly? 10 million per fell in line with his production at the time. Unfortunately GMs don't have he luxury of hindsight.

 

[dviss1]

Just because it wasn't reported doesn't mean offers weren't there. You honestly believe Neil just arrived at that number randomly? 10 million per fell in line with his production at the time. Unfortunately GMs don't have he luxury of hindsight.

Bro... Nobody was offering that MF SHIT...

 

[e_blazer]

Glad you got a few chuckles out of that. You must have missed the multiple trades that happen every year that fans said could never happen. If Meyers plays better this year, his contract is not that large for a big man these days. Even if he just remains the Meyers of the past few seasons, he could be included in a trade with other filler. Olshey has to figure out a way to clear some money from the books by the deadline if he's going to avoid paying luxury tax this season. I'm betting that he finds a way to do it. Meyers may or may not be included, but he's going to have to find a way to cut costs in order to avoid becoming a multi-year tax payer next season.

 

[H.C.]

What? If we lost Davis we'd still have at least two other options behind Nurkic, and that's not counting small ball options like Vonleh and Swanigan.

One rookie has shown not to be NBA ready.
The other got a DNPCD last game because the game previous he was in the way of the offense.
Relying on rookies who for one reason or another aren't NBA ready, is a recipe for a pink slip.
You might be part of the tanking crowd, but I don't fall in line with that thinking. Never will.

 

[Mr. Robot]

I dont give a shit about those two, give max to Nurk

 

[illmatic99]

I think with the lower increases in cap, expiring contracts will start to gain value again. A team like CLE could really use Ed in the playoffs, while also giving them cap relief. I would do a Crowder for Ed swap if CLE would to consider it.

 

[dviss1]

I'm betting that he finds a way to do it. Meyers may or may not be included, but he's going to have to find a way to cut costs in order to avoid becoming a multi-year tax payer next season.

This may be true but like you said, Butters may or may not be included. Odds are he isn't.

 

[jlprk]

Olshey has a long history of paying players more than they're worth.

Yep. That's the only way he's ever gotten anybody.

Leonard shouldn't even count. He was paid what he was worth at the time.

Ha ha ha! You can't be serious.

Just because it wasn't reported doesn't mean offers weren't there. You honestly believe Neil just arrived at that number randomly? 10 million per fell in line with his production at the time. Unfortunately GMs don't have he luxury of hindsight.

Ha ha! After Leonard turned down the ridiculous $40M, the whole board castigated Olshey for yet another stupid offer turned down. Leonard sucked that year. Everyone said, good, now Leonard can leave and get paid less than half that. Then Olshey gave him even more, $41M!!!!

Glad you got a few chuckles out of that. You must have missed the multiple trades that happen every year that fans said could never happen. If Meyers plays better this year, his contract is not that large for a big man these days. Even if he just remains the Meyers of the past few seasons, he could be included in a trade with other filler.

Some Happy-Meal fans should consider checking themselves into an institution.

 

[riverman]

Some Happy-Meal fans should consider checking themselves into an institution.

We all sort of do that everytime we log on here

 

[Sinobas]

Contracts have come back to earth after that huge spike. Players like Patrick Patterson and P.J. Tucker and got MLE-type or slightly over money. I think you are over-exaggerating what is going to happen. Ed and Vonleh aren't seen as bigger bets to get money than those two guys. But I agree with most that one is kept and one isn't. I kind of lean towards wanting Ed back, crazy enough and that is with believing that Noah does make all the difference for Nurkic.

Exactly, it was the spike that caused the ridiculous contracts. You can't give everyone 10 million dollar contracts. No one is going to offer that much for Vonleh, Though Ed maybe close, since he's having a good year.

 

[Sinobas]

Olshey already thinks Swanigan is better than Vonleh so I see Vonleh being on the trading block at trade deadline. But my opinion Vonleh his the better player right now. He is solid defender and solid rebounder. Now if he he gets his shot down and gives us 10-12 points a night then it would be a big mistake to let him go. Now Davis he a scrapper type ball player but I see him going somewhere else next year. I see Colin's as the back up center to Nurk. He got the rest of this year and summer to get stronger for next year.

No doubt. The Swanigan love is flat out ridiculous around here. He's a scrappy player, but he's not really big or athletic. Vonleh is a better defender and interior scorer right now.

 

[Mr. Robot]

thats why I want us to trade for Randle
hes better than anything we have at PF and has higher upside too

with Nurk & Randle, we would have low post scoring, rebounding and Randle can play defense too... if we could sort SF position too, that would be nice

 

[Scalma]

Exactly, it was the spike that caused the ridiculous contracts. You can't give everyone 10 million dollar contracts. No one is going to offer that much for Vonleh, Though Ed maybe close, since he's having a good year.

Amir Johnson got $11 million this offseason, so keep dreaming.

And I'd be willing to put money on Vonleh getting more per year than Davis.

 

[Scalma]

thats why I want us to trade for Randle
hes better than anything we have at PF and has higher upside too

with Nurk & Randle, we would have low post scoring, rebounding and Randle can play defense too... if we could sort SF position too, that would be nice

I like Randle but that would mean a trade of Vonleh and I can't see Olshey multitasking like that in one season.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

No doubt. The Swanigan love is flat out ridiculous around here. He's a scrappy player, but he's not really big or athletic. Vonleh is a better defender and interior scorer right now.

Let's not be hasty:


In many ways they are the same, but in some ways, Caleb is better. Caleb gets love because he's a rookie, not a 4th year player. Every rookie who shows a motor gets love here. No need to call the love 'flat out ridiculous'. He has a great motor and will to work.

Let's not talk AST% or TOV% if we're talking about Noah being the better player.

 

[Scalma]

Let's not be hasty:
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In many ways they are the same, but in some ways, Caleb is better. Caleb gets love because he's a rookie, not a 4th year player. Every rookie who shows a motor gets love here. No need to call the love 'flat out ridiculous'. He has a great motor and will to work.

Let's not talk AST% or TOV% if we're talking about Noah being the better player.

The expectations of Swanigan were a little out of control, there were people trying to convince everyone Swanigan would replace Crabbe's shooting.

Swanigan will be good role player, but Vonlehs defense is really impressive and the chemistry he has with Nurkic shouldn't be overlooked. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

The expectations of Swanigan were a little out of control, there were people trying to convince everyone Swanigan would replace Crabbe's shooting.

Swanigan will be good role player, but Vonlehs defense is really impressive and the chemistry he has with Nurkic shouldn't be overlooked. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Yeah I’m a fan of Noah/Nurk as a weird “one guy gets all the stats but they both need to play” tandem. It’s not a coincidence. But I do think Swagitron will be a 6th man or fringe starter in the league by age 25.

 

[tlongII]

Let's not be hasty:
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In many ways they are the same, but in some ways, Caleb is better. Caleb gets love because he's a rookie, not a 4th year player. Every rookie who shows a motor gets love here. No need to call the love 'flat out ridiculous'. He has a great motor and will to work.

Let's not talk AST% or TOV% if we're talking about Noah being the better player.

Bingo. Biggie is already a better player than Vonleh and he's just a rookie. Personally I don't know why Stotts doesn't start him. I also like what I see from Zach. He needs more time too.

 

[Labinot41]

Bingo. Biggie is already a better player than Vonleh and he's just a rookie. Personally I don't know why Stotts doesn't start him. I also like what I see from Zach. He needs more time too.

Stotts hates Rookies

 

[dviss1]

The expectations of Swanigan were a little out of control, there were people trying to convince everyone Swanigan would replace Crabbe's shooting.

Swanigan will be good role player, but Vonlehs defense is really impressive and the chemistry he has with Nurkic shouldn't be overlooked. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Who were those people? I don't remember that at all.

Buuuuut... 1.7 3pg ain't shit and is replaceable in our offense.

 

[dviss1]

Bingo. Biggie is already a better player than Vonleh and he's just a rookie. Personally I don't know why Stotts doesn't start him. I also like what I see from Zach. He needs more time too.

Defense. Plain and simple.

People need to look at both sides of the ball when they talk about who's better than who.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Amir Johnson got $11 million this offseason, so keep dreaming.

And I'd be willing to put money on Vonleh getting more per year than Davis.

On a 1 year deal. Sixers were giving out over-inflated contracts to meet the floor this year but to also have spending money again in the summer. He wasn't getting 11 per for say 3 years from any other team which is why he is with the Sixers.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Defense. Plain and simple.

People need to look at both sides of the ball when they talk about who's better than who.

Vonleh gives you one kind of defense (blocks, length), while Caleb gives you another (steals, boxing out). On offense, they're two different types of player as well, cutting low post versus distributing high post... they're very different players, but right now Vonleh works well with Nurkic, so ride that wave until it's over.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I don't see much reason to worry. I think we like Ed because he's lunch pail kind of player and seemingly good guy. Blazer fans love these kind of players, but in the end, how much better is he making our team?

Well, he has a better +/- than Nurkic in fewer minutes (38 in 210 to 18 in 299)...

 

[dviss1]

Vonleh gives you one kind of defense (blocks, length), while Caleb gives you another (steals, boxing out). On offense, they're two different types of player as well, cutting low post versus distributing high post... they're very different players, but right now Vonleh works well with Nurkic, so ride that wave until it's over.

Vonleh is just a flat out better defender. It's really the reason he starts.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

If we make a trade to get under the luxury tax at the trade deadline, then we'll sign anyone that's left.

 

[Scalma]

Who were those people? I don't remember that at all.

Buuuuut... 1.7 3pg ain't shit and is replaceable in our offense.

I had a whole argument on this board that Swanigan wouldn't replace Crabbes shooting/scoring and multiple people tried to tell me I was wrong. You were one of them.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Vonleh is just a flat out better defender. It's really the reason he starts.

Which is why their DRtg is exactly the same, and their Defensive BPM is only 0.3 apart.

Vonleh is a better looking defender, but Swagitron hasn't been as bad as advertised.