Vonleh or Batum?

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Who would you rather have on this year's team?

  • Batum

    Votes: 19 47.5%

  • Vonleh

    Votes: 21 52.5%
  • Total voters
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Now that time has passed how does the Batum for Vonleh trade look?

Considering that we desperately need a better small forward and we have a ton of power forwards on the team which one would you rather have on this year's team?
 
Just this year? Batum. Although remember he just started playing because he was injured.

Going forward? Vonleh. Batum isn't worth his contact (not that many players are).
 
DaLincolnJones said:
The question is Nic from when? At this point it is pretty easy call, Vonleh.
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this, Batum is soon to be 29 yo, Vonleh is 22 yo and has some upside, so Id take him
but if Batum is couple years younger, Id take him over Vonleh, cause we need upgrade at SF position
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Barton wasn't a starter.
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Barton would have started if he'd been a Blazer when Wes goes down though. Saying AA was a starter is kind of disingenuous because he wasn't supposed to start any more than Barton was.

All that said it was the right trade at the time. Injuries suck.
 
I voted for Nic simply based on this year's needs. Assuming that he could perform at the level he has the last couple of years, he'd be a big boost to this squad. Vonleh is the obvious choice long term, except that we have a ton of other guys to play the 4 and I'm not sure that Noah is THAT much better than his competition. Aminu, Biggie, Zach, Meyers? That's plenty of options at the 4. Given the Blazers cap situation, I'm not even sure that NO will re-sign Vonleh this summer if he also plans to re-sign Nurkic. We need help at 3, and Batum would fill the bill for at least a couple of years.
 
Salary notwithstanding, it's Batum right now. He's a better player still and he would mean less time for Heartless.

But I'd still be more excited by the prospect of resigning Vonleh and watching him develop some more. He's improved quite a bit over the course of 2017.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
The question is Nic from when? At this point it is pretty easy call, Vonleh.
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Exactly. It was still a shit trade at the time. But continued injuries to Nic have made current Vonleh more appealing than current Nic. Healthy Nic would make this team much better though.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Just this year? Batum. Although remember he just started playing because he was injured.

Going forward? Vonleh. Batum isn't worth his contact (not that many players are).
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Oh dang, I didn't realize he was back already!

Regarding cost, I'd MUCH rather pay Nic $5M more than Turner. We'd be SO MUCH better if we could swap Turner for Nic. Contractually (and setting health aside) Nic is only overpaid by a few million, whereas Turner is overpaid by $10M.
 
Batum.

I think better questions would be Vonleh or Swanigan? Vonleh or Davis?

I probably take Vonleh both times.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Why?
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The right deal to do at the time (imo) which is all you can go off of. Just unfortunately luck with Wes going down. That trade of course didn't work out for us and it would be great to have Barton (and his cheap contract he stupidly signed) so looking back on it makes it bad but the thought process was there to get over the hump.
 
SportsAndWhine said:
All that said it was the right trade at the time. Injuries suck.
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Disagree - the right trade would have been Wilson Chandler rather than Afflalo. I don't know whether he was actually available, but rumors at the time were that it would be Afflalo or Chandler. If Olshey picked Afflalo when he had a chance at Chandler, he done fucked up. At the time we actually had some back-up SGs, but we had nobody (other than Dorrell "Aminu" Wright) backing up Nic.
 
blue9 said:
Disagree - the right trade would have been Wilson Chandler rather than Afflalo. I don't know whether he was actually available, but rumors at the time were that it would be Afflalo or Chandler. If Olshey picked Afflalo when he had a chance at Chandler, he done fucked up. At the time we actually had some back-up SGs, but we had nobody (other than Dorrell "Aminu" Wright) backing up Nic.
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The rumor I remember was Afflalo for 1st rounder or Chandler for TWO 1st rounders. I wanted Chandler more as well but that was too much to pay if true.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
The rumor I remember was Afflalo for 1st rounder or Chandler for TWO 1st rounders. I wanted Chandler more as well but that was too much to pay if true.
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Yeah, if true then the price is far too steep. FAR too steep. So much so that it couldn't have been a realistic ask.
 
I don't want to go all @HCP on you guys, but.....

Vonleh has a good game, and everyone's on his bandwagon? Batum was inconsistent, but Vonleh takes that to a whole new level.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I don't want to go all @HCP on you guys, but.....

Vonleh has a good game, and everyone's on his bandwagon? Batum was inconsistent, but Vonleh takes that to a whole new level.
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His defense has been consistently good lately. Hardly one game.
 
Scalma said:
His defense has been consistently good lately. Hardly one game.
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His defense was good last year, too. He is averaging FIVE ppg this year. If you take out his season high last game of 11 points,
his average is more like his career average of FOUR ppg. We're playing 4 on 5 on offense when he's out there - that's a big problem.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
His defense was good last year, too. He is averaging FIVE ppg this year. If you take out his season high last game of 11 points,
his average is more like his career average of FOUR ppg. We're playing 4 on 5 on offense when he's out there - that's a big problem.
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He's played ten games all year, zero preseason or training camp. Last five games he's averaging 7ppg. That's completely fine considering the amount of attempts he gets and his role. As the year goes on and the trust builds I expect they'll start running some plays for him, but he's never going to be a focal point offensively while playing with Dame, CJ, and Nurk. That doesn't mean we're playing "4 on 5" though. You're suggesting he's a liability, and I don't see that at all.
 
Scalma said:
He's played ten games all year, zero preseason or training camp. Last five games he's averaging 7ppg. That's completely fine considering the amount of attempts he gets and his role. As the year goes on and the trust builds I expect they'll start running some plays for him, but he's never going to be a focal point offensively while playing with Dame, CJ, and Nurk. That doesn't mean we're playing "4 on 5" though. You're suggesting he's a liability, and I don't see that at all.
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Man, I'd like to meet you sometime. You're one of the few who's a bigger homer than I am.
 
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