Exclusive Vote - Anybody change their opinion on tanking this year?

[crandc]

I was always against tanking and still am.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Ok your right, Kyrie is one. LBJ joined the Cavs as a free agent.

So in the last ~40 years of the draft the only top6 drafted title winners from a teams own pick were Kyrie, Wade, and Duncan.

Not as good an argument for tanking as I expected.

LeBron would not have joined the Cavs a second time if they hadn't drafted him. LeBron should definitely count.

 

[Everything Beagle]

joe aint tankin. not going after flagg.

Dallas is getting Flagg.

 

[illmatic99]

have the 55% of the people who want us to not tank seen even one Duke or Rutgers game this NCAA season?

 

[Phatguysrule]

have the 55% of the people who want us to not tank seen even one Duke or Rutgers game this NCAA season?

Unfortunately it's too late to do much on that front...

 

[SharpesTriumph]

have the 55% of the people who want us to not tank seen even one Duke or Rutgers game this NCAA season?

I wanted us to tank in October.

We have 22 wins and are 3 wins behind playin teams. We'd currently be in the playin in the East. The ship has sailed on tanking for a top pick.

 

[Strenuus]

I wanted us to tank in October.

We have 22 wins and are 3 wins behind playin teams. We'd currently be in the playin in the East. The ship has sailed on tanking for a top pick.

Yep. We are fucked for the next few years

 

[Domihatin]

We should have tanked this year to land a top pick in a talent heavy draft. I like that we are developing an identity and are finding some success, but talent ultimately wins in this league and that’s what we truly need. This flash in the pan is going to cost us long term.

Yeah, uhh, cuz, like we got no talent currently. Uhh huh, uhhh, yeahhhhhhh.

 

[Domihatin]

We don't have enough assets to trade our way to championship level talent.

We're going to have to rely on getting extremely lucky now that we've screwed up this draft.

Championship level talent certainly isn't being the number one defense in the league and number 6 offense. Nope, not at all. Riiight.

 

[Strenuus]

Championship level talent certainly isn't being the number one defense in the league and number 6 offense. Nope, not at all. Riiight.

Did we do that for an entire season?

No?

Only 11 games?

Cool. Glad we shut that down. That was super easy.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Championship level talent certainly isn't being the number one defense in the league and number 6 offense. Nope, not at all. Riiight.

I'd love nothing more than to be wrong in this. I really doubt that I am.

 

[wizenheimer]

Championship level talent certainly isn't being the number one defense in the league and number 6 offense. Nope, not at all. Riiight.

LOL....geeeezuzz

Portland ranks 25th in offense and 22nd in defense. But of course, you're ignoring the first 41 games and focusing on the last 11. Out of those last 11 games, 8 were at home (Blazers are 8-16 on the road). The combined record of the teams Portland beat is 190-212 (.473). There are 8 teams in the NBA with a .600 winning percentage or better; Portland played 1 of those teams in that 11 game stretch and lost, at home. Only 3 teams Portland beat in that stretch have winning records, and one of those is only 1 game over .500

 

[BIG Q]

Ok your right, Kyrie is one. LBJ joined the Cavs as a free agent.

So in the last ~40 years of the draft the only top6 drafted title winners from a teams own pick were Kyrie, Wade, and Duncan.

Not as good an argument for tanking as I expected.[/QUOTE

Does Boston with Tatum/Brown factor in here?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Does Boston with Tatum/Brown factor in here?

They acquired those picks in trades - not as a result of tanking or their teams own losses.

The Celtics won 48 and 53 games the two years prior to drafting Brown/Tatum at #3/#3. They should give Mikhail Prokhorov a ring.

So while that might show its good to try and get top3 picks on your roster, that doesn't show its good to lose games to rebuild for a top3 pick. Same as a lot of #1 picks have won titles after leaving the team that drafted them.

 

[Domihatin]

LOL....geeeezuzz

Portland ranks 25th in offense and 22nd in defense. But of course, you're ignoring the first 41 games and focusing on the last 11. Out of those last 11 games, 8 were at home (Blazers are 8-16 on the road). The combined record of the teams Portland beat is 190-212 (.473). There are 8 teams in the NBA with a .600 winning percentage or better; Portland played 1 of those teams in that 11 game stretch and lost, at home. Only 3 teams Portland beat in that stretch have winning records, and one of those is only 1 game over .500

And of course you're ignoring the last 11 and focusing on the first 41. Reverse recency bias is wrong-headed in the upward trajectory of the team. Obviously, they're getting better, not worse. But go ahead and ignore it.

 

[wizenheimer]

And of course you're ignoring the last 11 and focusing on the first 41. .

actually, the ratings are for all 52 games

and yes, there is actual context in the last 11 games

I'm not disputing they are getting better. I'm just disputing they have "championship level talent" which is what you essentially said

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

joe aint tankin. not going after flagg.

That's what i got too. Said it would be unfair to take away from the team the chance to get into the playin. Anybody like Danny Marand who says something else is completely speculating.

 

[Hoopguru]

That's what i got too. Said it would be unfair to take away from the team the chance to get into the playin. Anybody like Danny Marand who says something else is completely speculating.

By playing deep 8-9 every game, and splitting minutes he's keep the players somewhat happy.

 

[Strenuus]

And of course you're ignoring the last 11 and focusing on the first 41.

Lol have you ever heard the law of averages? I'd be embarrassed if I wrote this sentence.

You literally are using averages from 11 games when smart people use averages of 41 (or 52 games).

Can't believe i had to explain something so simple.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Make it to the playoffs, get swept, and pay off Chicago with the pick. Keep Ayton, Simons, and Grant because it’s now a “playoff team” with guys in their prime.

Worst case scenario for becoming a contending team ASAP.

With some fans thinking making the play-in is doable AND then seeing what happens — I won’t want to watch those games because I know the minimum they lose by somehow winning — and it’s just not an option.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Make it to the playoffs, get swept, and pay off Chicago with the pick. Keep Ayton, Simons, and Grant because it’s now a “playoff team” with guys in their prime.

Worst case scenario for becoming a contending team ASAP.

With some fans thinking making the play-in is doable AND then seeing what happens — I won’t want to watch those games because I know the minimum they lose by somehow winning — and it’s just not an option.

Unfortunately I don't think there is any changing it now.

We're going to be too good to tank next season, even if we traded those guys.

Just have to try and enjoy the games hope for the best now.

Looking forward to Jody selling the team.

 

[HailBlazers]

By playing deep 8-9 every game, and splitting minutes he's keep the players somewhat happy.

And somewhat healthy, knock on wood.

 

[STOMP]

While management can lead a team to tank by holding guys out or directing the coach to play youngins who aren't ready, players always try to win. With Shaedon & especially Scoot elevating their play of late, Portland has fewer guys who suck to put on the court... the young guys are turning into a strength instead of a liability. The addition of Deni as a secondary playmaker & versatile defender & the continued development off Toumani gives them their best set of forwards in over a decade. Whether posters like it or not, the tank is over because the young guys already here have elevated their games.

Whether the team can someday contend is the big question ahead of them which hinges primarily on the continued development of the youngins. Scoot and Shaedon are already among the best run/jump athletes in a league full of them. If their skills and BBIQ catch up to their physical abilities to where they can be the driving offensive force nightly, this team will be legit. Today though I'm mainly just enjoying seeing them start to have things click

STOMP

 

[Phatguysrule]

While management can lead a team to tank by holding guys out or directing the coach to play youngins who aren't ready, players always try to win. With Shaedon & especially Scoot elevating their play of late, Portland has fewer guys who suck to put on the court... the young guys are turning into a strength instead of a liability. The addition of Deni as a secondary playmaker & versatile defender the continued development off Toumani gives them their best set of forwards in over a decade. Whether posters like it or not, the tank is over because the young guys already here have elevated their games.

Whether the team can someday contend is the big question ahead of them which hinges primarily on the continued development of the youngins. Scoot and Shaedon are already among the best run/jump athletes in a league full of them. If their skills and BBIQ catch up to their physical abilities to where they can be the driving offensive force nightly, this team will be legit. Today though I'm mainly just enjoying seeing them start to have things click

STOMP

Absolutely. Now that we know Scoot and Sharpe are legit (as I assume the team has known all along) probably our best chance at losing enough this year would have been to trade Grant for a pick and offload Simons (for whatever his value was) in the off season.

We'd probably have had even less success the first half of the season and a better chance at a higher pick, even if we came on strong to finish the season.

Oh well. Like you say, that's in the past. Time to enjoy the team being competitive again.

 

[kjironman1]

Theoretically. We're not getting into the top 5 though.

You don't know that.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You don't know that.

If we do that would be great. It's very unlikely though.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Yep. We are fucked for the next few years

Oh please, those better picks wouldn’t have helped us anyway. We’d have to be competently managed first!

 

[Phatguysrule]

Oh please, those better picks wouldn’t have helped us anyway. We’d have to be competently managed first!

 

[Hoopguru]

While management can lead a team to tank by holding guys out or directing the coach to play youngins who aren't ready, players always try to win. With Shaedon & especially Scoot elevating their play of late, Portland has fewer guys who suck to put on the court... the young guys are turning into a strength instead of a liability. The addition of Deni as a secondary playmaker & versatile defender & the continued development off Toumani gives them their best set of forwards in over a decade. Whether posters like it or not, the tank is over because the young guys already here have elevated their games.

Whether the team can someday contend is the big question ahead of them which hinges primarily on the continued development of the youngins. Scoot and Shaedon are already among the best run/jump athletes in a league full of them. If their skills and BBIQ catch up to their physical abilities to where they can be the driving offensive force nightly, this team will be legit. Today though I'm mainly just enjoying seeing them start to have things click

STOMP

Nice post....as a 74 year old die hard basketball fan, Ive seen many changes to the league over the years. Mostly good. The 1 and done or direct from hs players is, to me the biggest change with regards the effect its had on the league. I started watching the game with my pop back ion the mid fifties, pro, college and hs. Went to many Far West classics and State HS tourneys. Seen many great players at those levels come through Portland. And many did make the pros, not all lasted however. Its amazing when you think of the money now that these youngsters get from the get go, and how its got to be mind boggling and distracting to call of them to a certain degree, especially for young 19 years old coming directly form HS to pros like Shae & Scoot. G league no different than rat ball played at Milwaukie Elks. I cant imagine how I would have dealt with that kind of money at 19. I know the money buys them the support that helps them transition to the league, however there is no skirting the youth/immaturity factor for these young guys. Once they mature more, into their mid 20's, they will become more consistent better players. When I watch Shaedon Sharpe Im impressed with the way he carries himself, however his youthfulness and immaturity (in a great way) shows up in interviews and such. That's why imo, he's deferred so much is first couple years. You can see that he's gaining more confidence that you develop as you get older and more adjusted to your craft.