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Would you prefer the Blazers had got Brandon Miller or Amen Thompson over Scoot?

  • No, I'm glad we got Scoot Henderson!

    Votes: 71 88.8%

  • Yes - Brandon Miller - either a better player/upside/could've co-existed with Dame/etc

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • Yes - Amen Thompson - either a better player/upside/could've co-existed with Dame/etc

    Votes: 6 7.5%
  • Total voters
    80
  • Poll closed .
illmatic99 said:
Its an asisnine claim.
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Predator said:
So let me go this straight:

Amen’s defensive stats = Summer league

Scoot’s offensive performance = Future superstar (even though it’s summer league)?
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The overall stats are less important than watching for specific things. How did Amen do defending Scoot? How did Scoot do when he was matched up with good defenders like Eason?

How many of those blocks or steals were against trash players? We have tons of garbage players who will be in the G League next year. Overall stats are pretty worthless. We want to see certain things so that's why I'm watching players to see what kinds of moves they have. How do they defend? What kinds of passes are they making?
 
My eye test tells me that Amen has amazing tools but he is still very raw when it comes to actual NBA game. A lot of what he got was based on his amazing individual gifts. Scoot, in comparison, seems much further along at understanding the NBA game and reading and reacting to it in real time. Sure, he uses his natural gifts where he can - but you can also see that he was anticipating things as they were developing and using a counter-move on the fly. That's a great tool that not all super athletic guys ever develop - and I am not saying that Amen will not - because I am a big fan of his as well - but there are no guarantees.

Scoot's decision making and understanding seems to be a lot further along that Amen's. That's not saying that Amen will not get there or maybe even surpass Scoot one day, it could happen, but I was a lot more impressed with Scoot's decision making than his athletic abilities. He looked like a great starting point to either a more athletic Chris Paul type player or a smarter Russel Westbrook type player. That's very exciting, for sure.
 
andalusian said:
My eye test tells me that Amen has amazing tools but he is still very raw when it comes to actual NBA game. A lot of what he got was based on his amazing individual gifts. Scoot, in comparison, seems much further along at understanding the NBA game and reading and reacting to it in real time. Sure, he uses his natural gifts where he can - but you can also see that he was anticipating things as they were developing and using a counter-move on the fly. That's a great tool that not all super athletic guys ever develop - and I am not saying that Amen will not - because I am a big fan of his as well - but there are no guarantees.

Scoot's decision making and understanding seems to be a lot further along that Amen's. That's not saying that Amen will not get there or maybe even surpass Scoot one day, it could happen, but I was a lot more impressed with Scoot's decision making than his athletic abilities. He looked like a great starting point to either a more athletic Chris Paul type player or a smarter Russel Westbrook type player. That's very exciting, for sure.
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Scoot is also a leader. He's vocal. He has charisma and gravitas.

Amen looks like a quiet kid.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The overall stats are less important than watching for specific things. How did Amen do defending Scoot? How did Scoot do when he was matched up with good defenders like Eason?

How many of those blocks or steals were against trash players? We have tons of garbage players who will be in the G League next year. Overall stats are pretty worthless. We want to see certain things so that's why I'm watching players to see what kinds of moves they have. How do they defend? What kinds of passes are they making?
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Uh, yeah, and that’s why I posted a guy who I know you agreed with (The Ringer) saying Amen looks good on defense. Wasn’t about the stats. Obviously you could have a different take, but so far, you’re pretty much the only person who didn’t leave Amen’s summer league game impressed with his defense.

I can tell you at least 1 of the blocks was on Scoot. How many times did Scoot block Amen?

And Scoot was matched up against G leaguers too.

But my overall point is what you just proved. You’ll devalue anything Amen did good and pump up everything Scoot does and then say “summer league” when it’s about Amen, but “summer league” doesn’t apply to Scoot suddenly.
 
Predator said:
So let me go this straight:

Amen’s defensive stats = Summer league

Scoot’s offensive performance = Future superstar (even though it’s summer league)?
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I like how Ryen Russillo said summer league can only confirm opinions.
 
andalusian said:
My eye test tells me that Amen has amazing tools but he is still very raw when it comes to actual NBA game. A lot of what he got was based on his amazing individual gifts. Scoot, in comparison, seems much further along at understanding the NBA game and reading and reacting to it in real time. Sure, he uses his natural gifts where he can - but you can also see that he was anticipating things as they were developing and using a counter-move on the fly. That's a great tool that not all super athletic guys ever develop - and I am not saying that Amen will not - because I am a big fan of his as well - but there are no guarantees.

Scoot's decision making and understanding seems to be a lot further along that Amen's. That's not saying that Amen will not get there or maybe even surpass Scoot one day, it could happen, but I was a lot more impressed with Scoot's decision making than his athletic abilities. He looked like a great starting point to either a more athletic Chris Paul type player or a smarter Russel Westbrook type player. That's very exciting, for sure.
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I was really impressed with Scoot not forcing shots at the rim and instead making some *beautiful* passes to open shooters.
 
Predator said:
I was really impressed with Scoot not forcing shots at the rim and instead making some *beautiful* passes to open shooters.
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Agree, early in the game he went into the defense and I was yelling at the TV - only for the ball ending up with an open 3 by someone. He can read the defense better than many so called NBA point guards already, which is very encouraging.

The biggest thing I took from the little we saw of him, he does not look like a rookie PG, especially not a 19 years old rookie PG. It looked like a Russel Westbrook move, but ended like a CP3 move.
 
Predator said:
Uh, yeah, and that’s why I posted a guy who I know you agreed with (The Ringer) saying Amen looks good on defense. Wasn’t about the stats. Obviously you could have a different take, but so far, you’re pretty much the only person who didn’t leave Amen’s summer league game impressed with his defense.

I can tell you at least 1 of the blocks was on Scoot. How many times did Scoot block Amen?

And Scoot was matched up against G leaguers too.

But my overall point is what you just proved. You’ll devalue anything Amen did good and pump up everything Scoot does and then say “summer league” when it’s about Amen, but “summer league” doesn’t apply to Scoot suddenly.
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Dude, we get it. You LOVE Amen Thompson and we're going to hear about him ALLLLLLL SEASON. I think he has potential. I think he's going to struggle next season against NBA competition.

You have been bashing on Scoot since before the draft. My point was that when Scoot was matched up on him, he had no problem being able to get past him or score.

You know what Scoot has that Amen does not have? Leadership. Personality. Gravitas.

The absolute worst thing we could do is replace Damian Lillard with another wall flower kid. Just put him up there with the gregarious twins... Simons and Sharpe. They both do so much talking.
 
riverman said:
As Chauncey said, Dame's decision was not just about basketball. He's losing his wife. He probably wants to put some miles between his marital problems and his job.
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Uh, what? I must be out of the loop. What kind of marital problems is Lillard having?
 
Bingo Bango said:
Uh, what? I must be out of the loop. What kind of marital problems is Lillard having?
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Haynes said he's losing his wife..others mentioned he'd been disconnected from her social media as far back as last December...it was talked about in a podcast where Haynes was interviewed...he mentioned the tax advantage in Florida if your'e about to lose half your money. Other than that I know nothing about it...Chauncey also said Dame's reasons were not all basketball related. I hope he salvages his marriage personally for the sake of those 3 young kids. I don't know anything more than that outline of the situation. I was surprised Haynes would bring it up at all. It's been mentioned on the boards here several times. At any rate...seems he's going through a dark patch and I hope he turns it around. Damee always said the women in his family kept him from getting too full of himself....maybe he slipped up
 
Scoot!
All day every day. He’s not only dad dude, he’s a winner.

“Mama, there goes that man”
 
riverman said:
Haynes said he's losing his wife..others mentioned he'd been disconnected from her social media as far back as last December...it was talked about in a podcast where Haynes was interviewed...he mentioned the tax advantage in Florida if your'e about to lose half your money. Other than that I know nothing about it...Chauncey also said Dame's reasons were not all basketball related. I hope he salvages his marriage personally for the sake of those 3 young kids. I don't know anything more than that outline of the situation. I was surprised Haynes would bring it up at all. It's been mentioned on the boards here several times. At any rate...seems he's going through a dark patch and I hope he turns it around. Damee always said the women in his family kept him from getting too full of himself....maybe he slipped up
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Don't think Florida lower tax will help with divorce settlement - settlement asset splits aren't really taxable. It will help that home games (50%) of his salary won't have a ~10% Oregon tax so yeah he'll save about 5% of his NBA contract. But he can deduct alimony and spouse pay tax on it so would actually be less than 5% maybe 4% savings. Its certainly something but its not as big an impact as often gets portrayed in these tax vs no state tax examples.

Yeah I don't wish a divorce on anyone; regardless of faults or the situation thats got to be brutal to go through - especially with kids.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Don't think Florida lower tax will help with divorce settlement - settlement asset splits aren't really taxable. It will help that home games (50%) of his salary won't have a ~10% Oregon tax so yeah he'll save about 5% of his NBA contract. But he can deduct alimony and spouse pay tax on it so would actually be less than 5% maybe 4% savings. Its certainly something but its not as big an impact as often gets portrayed in these tax vs no state tax examples.

Yeah I don't wish a divorce on anyone; regardless of faults or the situation thats got to be brutal to go through - especially with kids.
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I have no idea but seeing as Dame didn't want a no trade clause I'd guess he didn't get a pre-nup agreement either.
 
riverman said:
Haynes said he's losing his wife..others mentioned he'd been disconnected from her social media as far back as last December...it was talked about in a podcast where Haynes was interviewed...he mentioned the tax advantage in Florida if your'e about to lose half your money. Other than that I know nothing about it...Chauncey also said Dame's reasons were not all basketball related. I hope he salvages his marriage personally for the sake of those 3 young kids. I don't know anything more than that outline of the situation. I was surprised Haynes would bring it up at all. It's been mentioned on the boards here several times. At any rate...seems he's going through a dark patch and I hope he turns it around. Damee always said the women in his family kept him from getting too full of himself....maybe he slipped up
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Wow. First I’m hearing of any of this. Thanks for the information. If true, it’s a shame for his kids.
 
Dame just posted a nice Mother’s Day post about her couple months ago that had no indication of divorce
 
@riverman haynes did not mention a single thing about Dame getting divorced. Neither did Chauncey. Billups only said he's thinking of things other than basketball also. No one in the media has said anything specific about Dame's family. This is simply speculation and assumptions from this forum.

Come on man. Quit making up things.
 
illmatic99 said:
@riverman haynes did not mention a single thing about Dame getting divorced. Neither did Chauncey. Billups only said he's thinking of things other than basketball also. No one in the media has said anything specific about Dame's family. This is simply speculation and assumptions from this forum.

Come on man. Quit making up things.
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You're welcome to believe what you believe...I heard it from Haynes in an interview...I didn't make it up although Haynes might have. It is speculation which is sort of what everything is from someone who doesn't know Dame...Hayes I believe does. You're wrong about it being made up by me. Other than that you're welcome to your own media feed. As for Haynes..I hope he's lying about it for the sake of Dame's family and kids.
 
riverman said:
You're welcome to believe what you believe...I heard it from Haynes in an interview...I didn't make it up although Haynes might have. It is speculation which is sort of what everything is from someone who doesn't know Dame...Hayes I believe does. You're wrong about it being made up by me. Other than that you're welcome to your own media feed.
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Gimme a link to where Haynes said this.
 
illmatic99 said:
Gimme a link to where Haynes said this.
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I'm looking for it....I think it's been pulled..it was two media guys interviewing Haynes while he was shopping in Sacramento...I doubt Dame was happy if he heard it. It shocked me as I had no idea. When Dame demanded a trade I heard the interview.....today I'm having trouble finding it...I'm sure Dame had it pulled down. Maybe Dame has fixed his issue. I did find a headline about his wife having a boyfriend but didn't bother to read it ...I hope as I've said..that it's being fixed for his families sake. At any rate....it wasn't fabricated by me. I thought it was worth mentioning. I listened to it on youtube but the same search I did before is not showing it today
 
Who in their right mind can honestly say they would pick injury-prone guards over Brandon Miller?
 
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riverman said:
I'm looking for it....I think it's been pulled..it was two media guys interviewing Haynes while he was shopping in Sacramento...I doubt Dame was happy if he heard it. It shocked me as I had no idea. When Dame demanded a trade I heard the interview.....today I'm having trouble finding it...I'm sure Dame had it pulled down. Maybe Dame has fixed his issue. I did find a headline about his wife having a boyfriend but didn't bother to read it ...I hope as I've said..that it's being fixed for his families sake. At any rate....it wasn't fabricated by me. I thought it was worth mentioning.
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He never said it. You might have heard from someone else. Not Haynes.
 
illmatic99 said:
He never said it. You might have heard from someone else. Not Haynes.
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Someone here said that they heard it from a friend who is a member of the local media. So, I have no confirmation, but it makes sense with Dame turning 180 degrees. What other reasonable explanation is there?
 
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