"Voter Fraud"

[Nate]

He also went in to detail about how "they're not gonna come for you" and voting is some type of sacred duty, and it's their responsibility to go vote.

 

[Denny Crane]

A different Denny said in this thread he was dubious of this claim.

I am.

I also wrote that it's likely that illegals get registered and vote and it's not detected. The scale of this isn't known for sure.

 

[Denny Crane]

I wish I could find the whole video. This isn't the original one I saw before the election. He also said it in an interview that was broadcast on the radio.

It's not clear he was saying illegals should vote. He was talking to the woman who is legal saying "you should vote" (roughly).

 

[Denny Crane]

There are many Dennys. Some claim to be Libertarian. Others are rabid fans of the guy who wants to pour money into pointless things like a giant wall, combat free trade like no president of either party in generations and massively expand the military. There's no way these could be the same guy.

Says the guy who pastes tweets by Lindsey Graham.

What a hoot.

 

[Nate]

It's not clear he was saying illegals should vote. He was talking to the woman who is legal saying "you should vote" (roughly).

I don't think he was talking about her.

Edit: I get the joke now.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think he was talking about her.

I do.

 

[Nate]

I do.

She was talking about "undocumented citizens" not herself.

 

[Denny Crane]

This agrees with what I saw. Note the black bolded text - he's telling latinos who have undocumented family members to go out and vote (for their benefit).

She is worried if SHE votes if immigration might come for her family who might be undocumented.

Transcript from the video:

http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

RODRIGUEZ: This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election.

OBAMA: And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don't want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school...

RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.

OBAMA: ... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.​

 

[Nate]

This agrees with what I saw. Note the black bolded text - he's telling latinos who have undocumented family members to go out and vote (for their benefit).

She is worried if SHE votes if immigration might come for her family who might be undocumented.

Transcript from the video:

http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

RODRIGUEZ: This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election.

OBAMA: And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don't want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school...

RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.

OBAMA: ... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.​

So he was answering a question that she didn't ask?

 

[Nate]

undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?


Obama say no.

 

[Denny Crane]

So he was answering a question that she didn't ask?

He answered her question.

Legit hispanic voters are afraid to vote IF their voter registration allows government to go to their house and find their family members that may be undocumented. The undocumented family members are afraid if their legal family members vote, they'll get busted.

Obama is telling her that since she's legal, she should go vote. The government doesn't share the voter registration with other agencies that deal with immigration.

I don't see anything wrong with encouraging people who are eligible to vote to actually go and vote.

It seems a little awkward at most.

I'm not exactly a big fan of Obama's policies, but on this one I don't find any fault.

 

[Nate]

He answered her question.

Legit hispanic voters are afraid to vote IF their voter registration allows government to go to their house and find their family members that may be undocumented. The undocumented family members are afraid if their legal family members vote, they'll get busted.

Obama is telling her that since she's legal, she should go vote. The government doesn't share the voter registration with other agencies that deal with immigration.

I don't see anything wrong with encouraging people who are eligible to vote to actually go and vote.

It seems a little awkward at most.

I'm not exactly a big fan of Obama's policies, but on this one I don't find any fault.

I don't know how you think he was taking about her.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If we allowed Mexico to vote Hillary would be our president.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't know how you think he was taking about her.

He said, "WHEN YOU VOTE."

YOU is "her." That's who he was talking to and about.

 

[Nate]

He said, "WHEN YOU VOTE."

YOU is "her." That's who he was talking to and about.

I can't tell if you're being serious.

 

[Denny Crane]

Completely serious.

There are plenty of useful clubs to bash Obama with, this isn't one of them.

 

[Nate]

"Undocumented citizens are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?"

She wasn't talking about herself, she was speaking on behalf of illegal immigrants, or "undocumented citizens"

And he wasn't talking about her, he was talking about the demographic of people, that she was speaking for.

 

[Nate]

Why would she be fearful of immigration deporting her, if she's legal?

 

[Denny Crane]

I means herself.

Undocumented citizens are afraid of voting. Not the act of voting themselves, but voting in general.

Both those legit and undocumented are afraid of the legit voters voting.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Undocumented citizens are fearful of voting.

Since Trump ended up being elected I would say their fears were justified.

 

[Denny Crane]

Why would she be fearful of immigration deporting her, if she's legal?

She's fearful the government would share her legit voter registration info (her home address) with immigration who would then come for her family.

Her family is afraid that if she votes, immigration will come for them.

It's not like Obama said, "undocumented immigrants should go out and vote." He never said that.

He told her she should vote because she has the right as a citizen. Not to fear immigration. Her vote is especially important to influence immigration reform agenda.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

She asks as clear as day if illegals should be afraid to vote. Dreamers and undocumented. Then she call them citizens. If people don't think he clearly stated that illegals have nothing to fear by voting they are being disingenuous.

 

[Nate]

Since Trump ended up being elected I would say their fears were justified.

Illegal immigrants should be fearful of voting. The same way that they should be fearful of breaking any other law.

 

[Nate]

I means herself.

Undocumented citizens are afraid of voting. Not the act of voting themselves, but voting in general.

Both those legit and undocumented are afraid of the legit voters voting.

So when she said "us" she was talking about herself as well?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Illegal immigrants should be fearful of voting. The same way that they should be fearful of breaking any other law.

The President when asked about "undocumented" immigrants voting should tell them to vote in their home country where they belong.

 

[Sedatedfork]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How can you investigate fraud if you don't commit it?

 

[Sedatedfork]

How can you investigate fraud if you don't commit it?

Ha! That reminds me of this scene from Training Day.



Well to be fair he only voted once.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think that's the kind of fraud, if any, to be found.

The fraud would be tens of thousands per year over decades, if not more, undocumented immigrants getting registered through assorted programs designed to increase legal voter turnout.

The person shows his ID at the polling place and is allowed to vote. It would be hard to detect. Nobody asked me for proof of citizenship to register.

Another form of fraud is where the precinct worker punches thousands of ballots and adds them to the legit ones. There is often news about more votes cast than registered voters in various places.

Yet another is dead people who were registered, somehow voting.

The talk about registration in two places doesn't matter unless the person votes twice. That would be easy to detect.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The talk about registration in two places doesn't matter unless the person votes twice.

It seems to matter to Trump.

"I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states"

et another is dead people who were registered, somehow voting.

Breaking news, people who are registered to vote sometimes die.