Voting: A "Right" Or A "Responsibility"?

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Trailblazed&Confused said:
Maybe in a smaller scale or different election, but not this one. It just puts more authority in the hands of those that do vote. This doesn't seem like one of the elections where the number of people who didn't vote is a big story.

It would be interesting to see how politics would be if every single person in the country did vote, and they were legitimate, informed votes. I think things would be different.
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I think with a two party system, you end up with a sheep mentality. Lots of sheep on both sides of the coin
 
I can end this thread right here.

If you don't vote, then you can't complain. So unless you're willing to be perfectly fine with any and everything that happens for the next two years (based on presidential and local decision and action), get out and vote.
 
Jurassic said:
I can end this thread right here.

If you don't vote, then you can't complain. So unless you're willing to be perfectly fine with any and everything that happens for the next two years (based on presidential and local decision and action), get out and vote.
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I think I'll start a revolution instead.

This is one of the biggest fucking jokes. "You don't vote, you can't complain". You're god damn right I can still complain. I can call a spade a spade. I'm not supporting Obama. I'm not supporting McCain. Again, they BOTH SUCK ASS (IMO). Either way, this country is fucked. Neither is going to keep it afloat economically without reverting to socialism, which has already begun.
 
Xericx said:
Meh...i think so. I'll vote for Alan Keyes.

he's on the ballot in Cali.
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Kind of interesting that Obama beat Keyes for the Senate seat, and now he's running against Keyes again for President.

barfo
 
^(@Xericx)no you wont...you cant fit that in between your 50 posts a day and bong tokes
 
Jurassic said:
I can end this thread right here.

If you don't vote, then you can't complain. So unless you're willing to be perfectly fine with any and everything that happens for the next two years (based on presidential and local decision and action), get out and vote.
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I lean that way, but I'm going Obama and I still want the right to bitch about him if he pisses me off. I do think you have less of a right to bitch if you didn't even make your opinion heard, though.
 
barfo said:
Kind of interesting that Obama beat Keyes for the Senate seat, and now he's running against Keyes again for President.

barfo
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Well, the only reason that Keyes even ran is that he was running unopposed. Obama's "opponent", Jack Ryan, got caught up in some swinger-sex scandal and withdrew.
 
DaRizzle said:
I swear to god you are getting to BallScientist level
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Why not.

If you vote for Obama, you are supporting him. Therefore, you cannot complain about the decision you made.

It follows a similar logic that if you don't vote, you have no right to complain.

If you vote for a candidate, you have no right to criticize your candidate.
 
Xericx said:
I think I'll start a revolution instead.

This is one of the biggest fucking jokes. "You don't vote, you can't complain". You're god damn right I can still complain. I can call a spade a spade. I'm not supporting Obama. I'm not supporting McCain. Again, they BOTH SUCK ASS (IMO). Either way, this country is fucked. Neither is going to keep it afloat economically without reverting to socialism, which has already begun.
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Then vote third party, but don't not vote at all.

If you are too lazy/apathetic to get your ass up and vote, or too cheap to pay for a stamp to send your absentee ballot in then you have no right to complain about the way that things go.

As a political science major there is little I hate more than people who don't follow the issues, or those who do and then choose to not vote. It's absolutely ridiculous.
 
Xericx said:
I think with a two party system, you end up with a sheep mentality. Lots of sheep on both sides of the coin
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I don't like the two-party system for the same reason. I would encourage you to go for a third-party candidate. Even if it doesn't make a big difference over the next few years, that has a snowball effect and could eventually make the candidate as relevent as the other candidates.
 
Trailblazed&Confused said:
I don't like the two-party system for the same reason. I would encourage you to go for a third-party candidate. Even if it doesn't make a big difference over the next few years, that has a snowball effect and could eventually make the candidate as relevent as the other candidates.
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The problem is that its difficult to follow them. http://www.opendebates.org/
 
Xericx said:
If you vote for Obama, you are supporting him. Therefore, you cannot complain about the decision you made.
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Sure you can. If you hire a workman and he does a poor job, you can complain about him. No contradiction in hiring someone and then being critical of poor performance.
 
Minstrel said:
Sure you can. If you hire a workman and he does a poor job, you can complain about him. No contradiction in hiring someone and then being critical of poor performance.
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Nope. You hired him and assumed you did your due dillegence. His negligence is yours.
 
Voting is your right + your responsibility. But I think you have the freedom whether you choose to vote or not, but if you don't then you shouldn't complain that much if things aren't going to your liking. (even though your vote doesn't change that much, being active in the democratic process counts)
 
Xericx said:
Nope. You hired him and assumed you did your due dillegence. His negligence is yours.
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So if you hire a highly regarded contractor and, through his own negligence, burns down your house during his work...his negligence is yours? Is that what you believe?
 
CelticKing said:
Voting is your right + your responsibility. But I think you have the freedom whether you choose to vote or not, but if you don't then you shouldn't complain that much if things aren't going to your liking. (even though your vote doesn't change that much, being active in the democratic process counts)
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I think you can complain. You can start a "no confidence" in the USA campaign...such as i'm doing here. I think voting for the sake of voting is extremely naive and lessens the value of voting.
 
Minstrel said:
So if you hire a highly regarded contractor and, through his own negligence, burns down your house during his work...his negligence is yours? Is that what you believe?
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You are not totally absolved. Again, you're the one who hired him.
 
Xericx said:
You are not totally absolved. Again, you're the one who hired him.
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So we should blame 9/11 on the flight schools that accepted the terrorists as students?

*Awaits a twisted rationalization*
 
ABM said:
I had always thought it was a responsibility..............until this year.

What if I don't particularly care for either presidential candidate? Am I obligated to vote for the lesser of two evils out of responsibility?
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Let me look at this from a Christian perspective and they may also help others.

First, we have the privilage in this country to actually vote for our representitives. Granted, there may be over 1 million fraudulent votes cast thru ACORN and while that casts the greatest shadow ever in the history of this country (for those who really do love this country and liberty and all it stands for), that's another post for another time.

Next, as I study bibilical scriptures, I see nothing that calls us (Christians) to be political activists. What is clearly spelled out is to support the government (not just the left or the right) and to be a model citizen.

What is a model citizen in a country with a representitive form of government? On who takes part and votes. Make some attempt to understand the issues (aside from who a church or union tells us to vote for), and then vote our conscience. Then, whomever gets elected is fully entitled to prayers of support until we vote again.
 
Xericx said:
You are not totally absolved. Again, you're the one who hired him.
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Interesting belief. So, you wouldn't sue this theoretical contractor? You'd accept it as "buyer beware" and buy a new house yourself?
 
You look at the current state of things in this country. Do you blame people who voted for Bush for the current state of this country? Many people do...they lamblast the "red staters" or "fly overs".

Well, the same.

Do you think that the fundamentalist christians who voted in Bush have a right to complain about Bush and the way the country is run?
 
Xericx said:
Do you think that the fundamentalist christians who voted in Bush have a right to complain about Bush and the way the country is run?
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Sure. Plenty of conservatives voted for Bush based on the principles he said he'd uphold and have been disappointed with him. I think they have every right to complain about Bush, if they choose.
 
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