Warkentien Requests to Speak with Blazers

[Nikolokolus]

Well, that's certainly your opinion. I'd call the Iverson for Billups swap a homerun, I think Afflalo was a great pickup, Lawson was a steal, clearing room for Hilario turned out pretty good. His GM peers voted him exec of the year for a reason (I assume?)

 

[Wizard Mentor]

He would need to bring Melo with him!
Actually, Billups would help us more!

 

[Minstrel]

I'd call the Iverson for Billups swap a homerun

Agreed. It made up for the double play grounder of Miller for Iverson.

I think Afflalo was a great pickup, Lawson was a steal, clearing room for Hilario turned out pretty good.

I'm not sure how much credit I'd give for "clearing room" to retain a player he inherited, but Affalo, Lawson and Birdman were all solid moves. I don't know that I'd call that a brilliant history but, as I said, he seems competent.

 

[RR7]

Clearing room for Nene? By trading away Camby, you mean? I thought that was a bad thing, because he was forced to because of payroll? So either he was forced to move a guy, or he did it to clear space. Not both. But, then again, Nene was a starter as soon as he was drafted, so not sure the point of clearing space for him is.

As barfo mentioned, Billups addition is great, but moving Miller for Iverson was awful. He can get partial credit for that one, I suppose. Lawson looked good as a rookie. Of course, so did Rudy, and people thought we had a steal. So not sure you count it as a win after one season as a backup.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Clearing room for Nene? By trading away Camby, you mean? I thought that was a bad thing, because he was forced to because of payroll? So either he was forced to move a guy, or he did it to clear space. Not both. But, then again, Nene was a starter as soon as he was drafted, so not sure the point of clearing space for him is.

As barfo mentioned, Billups addition is great, but moving Miller for Iverson was awful. He can get partial credit for that one, I suppose. Lawson looked good as a rookie. Of course, so did Rudy, and people thought we had a steal. So not sure you count it as a win after one season as a backup.

Making lemonade out of lemons is what I meant. He snagged Birdman on the cheap to fill Camby's role and was able to move Hilario into a prominent role without missing a beat.

It's OK, I get that you don't particularly agree with me that Warkentien has been a good GM, but you tend to argue with most things I have to say ...

 

[MARIS61]

From the Denver Post

No big shocker really, but he's requesting to speak with us while KP is still breathing. Cold Blooded.

Kind of pathetic. Actively begging for your competitor's job.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Clearing room for Nene? By trading away Camby, you mean? I thought that was a bad thing, because he was forced to because of payroll? So either he was forced to move a guy, or he did it to clear space. Not both. But, then again, Nene was a starter as soon as he was drafted, so not sure the point of clearing space for him is.

Not "space" as in playing time - "space" under the luxury tax threshold. He had to move the young guy (Nene), or the experienced guy (Camby). Kind of a no-win situation for a GM to be in!

 

[HailBlazers]

Porkentein?

I like it! Just Say no to Processed Porkentein!

Kind of pathetic. Actively begging for your competitor's job.

Greedy little piggy

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Just to point out, it's not like he is asking to talk to a team that isn't looking for a new GM. It is public knowledge now that the Blazers are shopping for a GM. W's contract ends soon, it would only be prudent of him to talk to teams looking for GMs.

 

[Wheels]

Just to point out, it's not like he is asking to talk to a team that isn't looking for a new GM. It is public knowledge now that the Blazers are shopping for a GM. W's contract ends soon, it would only be prudent of him to talk to teams looking for GMs.

just shows the difference in the character. Warkentein is doing this. And when KP was asked about looking at other teams, he says "I am a Blazer, and if my agent was contacting other teams, I'd fire him"

 

[Nikolokolus]

just shows the difference in the character. Warkentein is doing this. And when KP was asked about looking at other teams, he says "I am a Blazer, and if my agent was contacting other teams, I'd fire him"

KP is under contract for one more season. Warkentien is officially unemployed in 8 days. Not quite the same situation.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Presti or just keep KP.

 

[BGrantFan]

Warkentein seems like a douchey, slimy, snaky guy who carries personal grudges and has no problem playing Yes Man to an owner.

He will fit right in with the Vulcans.

 

[BGrantFan]

It would be funny if Presti or even Pop/Buford end up hiring Prichard as a consultant until Pritchard lands a new GM gig.

 

[ehizzy3]

i'd rather keep KP but i guess i'd be "happy" with warkentien

 

[HailBlazers]

booo don't settle for mediocrity, B-Roy and Blazer fans deserve better

 

[BGrantFan]

Warkentien inherited a 49-win team in the summer of '05 and has elevated them to the incredible level of 53 wins and a first-round exit after his fifth full season as GM.

 

[BGrantFan]

I forgot to mention that 4 out of the 5 play-off appearances for the Carmelo Anthony/George Karl/Mark Warkentien powerhouse have ended in first-round playoff flame-outs.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Reality check: this is no longer a debate about KP vs Warkentein. This is a debate about Warkentein vs all the has-beens and never-will-be's that might get the job instead. Given the circumstances, Warkentein might well be the only competent candidate!

Someone once said that being critical of John Nash was like kicking a Bassett Hound. That doesn't change the fact that that hound was rabid and needed to be put down. I don't care if Warkentein is a vicious, untrustworthy pit-bull.....just as long as he doesn't turn the team back into a 20 win monstrosity.

 

[MickZagger]

Warkentien inherited a 49-win team in the summer of '05 and has elevated them to the incredible level of 53 wins and a first-round exit after his fifth full season as GM.

You aren't going to mention the Western Conference finals appearance?

 

[BGrantFan]

You aren't going to mention the Western Conference finals appearance?

I'm stating where his team is after his fifth season. He inherited a 49 win team and "led" them to 43 wins the next season, along with another first-round exit. After Year 5, 53 wins and yet another first-round exit.

What good is WCF two years ago? Who cares. His team regressed this season, and Billups is starting to look old. No wonder Denver doesn't want him back.

 

[Nikolokolus]

You aren't going to mention the Western Conference finals appearance?

Doesn't count because it would undermine his argument.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I'm stating where his team is after his fifth season. He inherited a 49 win team and "led" them to 43 wins the next season, along with another first-round exit. After Year 5, 53 wins and yet another first-round exit.

What good is WCF two years ago? Who cares. His team regressed this season, and Billups is starting to look old. No wonder Denver doesn't want him back.

Ah, but when you apply that logic to the Blazers, people freak out. Only the Blazers have injuries, only the Blazers were without their head coach (oh wait, no they weren't, that was Denver), etc, etc.

 

[BGrantFan]

Doesn't count because it would undermine his argument.

What argument? Is regressing from a WCF team to a first-round loser yet again is a plus for Warkentien? Seems fairly obvious that after five years, Warkentien has crafted a team that won 4 more games than the one he took over (with Anthony already on the roster), and got the same first-round result.

Why doesn't Denver want to keep him?

 

[BGrantFan]

Ah, but when you apply that logic to the Blazers, people freak out. Only the Blazers have injuries, only the Blazers were without their head coach (oh wait, no they weren't, that was Denver), etc, etc.

That logic doesn't apply to the Blazers. Pritchard didn't inherit a play-off team, and then lead them to the exact same playoff result for the next 3 years.

Whoopie. A Western Conference Finals appearance with a one of the best players, and best coaches, in the game.

Wark's a fucking genius!

 

[Wheels]

KP is under contract for one more season. Warkentien is officially unemployed in 8 days. Not quite the same situation.

if you say so... I could be a homer lol.

 

[oldmangrouch]

That logic doesn't apply to the Blazers. Pritchard didn't inherit a play-off team, and then lead them to the exact same playoff result for the next 3 years.

Whoopie. A Western Conference Finals appearance with a one of the best players, and best coaches, in the game.

Wark's a fucking genius!

As I said above, this is no longer about KP vs Warkentein. Somebody will be the new GM of the Blazers - and if Wark is the best candidate (a very real possibility), I want it to be him. Call me cold - but that is how I feel.

 

[BGrantFan]

As I said above, this is no longer about KP vs Warkentein. Somebody will be the new GM of the Blazers - and if Wark is the best candidate (a very real possibility), I want it to be him. Call me cold - but that is how I feel.

Wark's track record is taking first round losers with an All-Star player and ...

"building" them into a first-round loser with an All-Star after five years.

Nothing in his record as Denver GM tells me that he is the GM that will take a first-round loser to a title.

I do agree that it is time to look past Pritchard, though, since his firing is a foregone conclusion.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Wark's track record is taking first round losers with an All-Star player and ...

"building" them into a first-round loser with an All-Star after five years.

Nothing in his record as Denver GM tells me that he is the GM that will take a first-round loser to a title.

I do agree that it is time to look past Pritchard, though, since his firing is a foregone conclusion.

So who do you want?

 

[barfo]

So who do you want?

I want this guy as the next gm:

barfo