Washington Wizards center Jason Collins reveals he is gay

[Shooter]

In one instance you are specifically calling out a group. In the 2nd situation, you are just disagreeing with a particular belief of another group.

We "call out" groups all the time: Tax cheats, wife beaters, drug abusers, child molesters, adulterers, deadbeat dads, inside traders, and on and on. Society has always passed judgement on certain groups of people who engage in certain types of behaviors. Broussard's problem is that he is calling out a group that the politically correct crowd has deemed is "okay," and which the media has determined you can no longer have a contrary opinion about.

 

[Further]

Exactly. If your opinion jives with the PC opinion, you're good. If it doesn't, you're a goner.

More like if your opinion jives with the company opinion. Example, if you spoke publicly in support of gay rights but worked for Westbrook baptist church, you would likely find your pink slip.

 

[Shooter]

Brussard is absolutely welcome to his opinions and beliefs but this isnt the CNBA (Christian National Basketball Association) . . .

Are you sure? Ever noticed how many players gather on the court after a game to offer a prayer? Ever noticed how many thank God for recovery from an injury, or for a long successful career, or just a win?

 

[Natebishop3]

Exactly. If your opinion jives with the PC opinion, you're good. If it doesn't, you're a goner.

Dude, you don't get it. Yes, there is a negative opinion about people who think they can use the government as a tool to oppress a group of people in this country. How could someone who's a Republican not see that it's against what the framers would have wanted to write legislation that would treat one citizen differently from another citizen? Even worse, the justification of many of the people who write and vote for this legislation is that it's in the Bible. How could you possibly think that it's in the best interest of his country, and in line with what the framers wanted, to discriminate against someone else? It's bullshit. Anti-gay people are scared of what they don't know, they are hateful, they are ignorant, and they are hiding behind their religion as a reason to mistreat others.

So yes, if you think it's okay to discriminate against others and you come out publicly against gay people while representing your company, they might fire you. ESPN doesn't need all the negative press, boycotts, and bullshit that will come with having a bigot on their staff.

 

[Shooter]

More like if your opinion jives with the company opinion.

These days the company opinion is almost always the PC opinion

 

[porkchopexpress]

We "call out" groups all the time: Tax cheats, wife beaters, drug abusers, child molesters, adulterers, deadbeat dads, inside traders, and on and on. Society has always passed judgement on certain groups of people who engage in certain types of behaviors. Broussard's problem is that he is calling out a group that the politically correct crowd has deemed is "okay," and which the media has determined you can no longer have a contrary opinion about.

Collins is gay. Regardless of if he's never had sex with a man, he's gay. All if your examples are of people defined by their actions. Apples & oranges. Race, gender and to a lesser extent religion are more apt comparisons.

 

[porkchopexpress]

Are you sure? Ever noticed how many players gather on the court after a game to offer a prayer? Ever noticed how many thank God for recovery from an injury, or for a long successful career, or just a win?

And yet they seem to be accepting of Collins. Why can't you, or broussard? Seems like you can be christian and accept and suppirt him as a gay man/player.

 

[magnifier661]

Guess he will be shooting rainbows instead of floaters

 

[Boise Blazer]

Are you sure? Ever noticed how many players gather on the court after a game to offer a prayer? Ever noticed how many thank God for recovery from an injury, or for a long successful career, or just a win?

Yes, I'm positive that it's not the CNBA. But if you can show me where in the NBA or even Espn employee handbook where it says you have to be a Christian that would be great. So if someone from a religion that believes in multiple gods played in the NBA would Broussard have brought up religion? Multiple gods is un-Christian is it not?

 

[Shooter]

How could someone who's a Republican not see that it's against what the framers would have wanted to write legislation that would treat one citizen differently from another citizen?

Are you kidding? Some of the framers supported slavery and even owned slaves. Some of them also believed that women should not own property or have the right to vote. You either weren't born in this country or you have no awareness of our history.

And who's talking about "discriminating"? Don't we all the freedom to stand up for what we believe? Broussard is simply standing up for what he thinks is right, and the values that he think promote a healthy society. I'd be willing to bet that he even supports civil unions for homosexuals. Your lumping of Broussard into a group of hateful, ignorant "anti-gay" people just shows your own prejudices, and your inability to think outside of your own little box.

 

[Shooter]

Collins is gay. Regardless of if he's never had sex with a man, he's gay. All if your examples are of people defined by their actions.

So Collins isn't being defined by his actions??

 

[Boise Blazer]

Broussard went outside of what he is paid to do. I don't tune into espn to hear about religion. Just like if I tune into the cooking network and the host talks about how bad they think the president is. That's not their job and it reflects negatively on the food network as some people might like the president. And a major business wants to piss off as few people as possible.

He made these comments ON Espn. On a show he was paid by espn to give his SPORTS opinion.

 

[Shooter]

If you can show me where in the NBA or even Espn employee handbook where it says you have to be a Christian that would be great.

Nice trick. You put words in my mouth that I never said.

So if someone from a religion that believes in multiple gods played in the NBA would Broussard have brought up religion?

You'll have to ask Broussard that. I can't speak for him. But he apparently believes that homosexuality is immoral, and a detriment to society, and his right to speak that opinion is just as sacred as the right of pro-gay activists to speak their opinion. That's the point that you're missing.

 

[Shooter]

Broussard went outside of what he is paid to do. I don't tune into espn to hear about religion.

Maybe you should write a letter to ESPN and complain about all the players who thank God after a win.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

He has a right to speak his mind; he does not have a right to use company resources to do it. That's not covered by any contract. If your boss caught you using the company photocopier to print up flyers for the KKK, you'd probably be fired if that didn't jibe with the company line.

 

[Boise Blazer]

Nice trick. You put words in my mouth that I never said.


You'll have to ask Broussard that. I can't speak for him. But he apparently believes that homosexuality is immoral, and a detriment to society, and his right to speak that opinion is just as sacred as the right of pro-gay activists to speak their opinion. That's the point that you're missing.

You asked if I was sure it wasn't the CNBA. I'm sure it's not. As for players thanking God I have yet to see one following that up with opinions about un-Christians

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think someone is overcompensating in this thread.

 

[Boise Blazer]

He has a right to speak his mind; he does not have a right to use company resources to do it. That's not covered by any contract. If your boss caught you using the company photocopier to print up flyers for the KKK, you'd probably be fired if that didn't jibe with the company line.

Bingo. Take your opinions right or wrong to the street corner on a soapbox all day. Fine with me.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I think someone is overcompensating in this thread.

This is pretty mild for Shooter; I'm actually impressed with the civility.

 

[BBert]

So Collins isn't being defined by his actions??

No. Unless SI included graphic gay porn in their article. Did they write whether he's ever acted on his "orientation"? Is it a sin according to Broussard's religion to be heterosexual, if one doesn't act on it outside of marriage?

 

[BBert]

Maybe you should write a letter to ESPN and complain about all the players who thank God after a win.

If I thought it would do any good, I might. But they don't work for ESPN.

 

[Natebishop3]

Are you kidding? Some of the framers supported slavery and even owned slaves. Some of them also believed that women should not own property or have the right to vote. You either weren't born in this country or you have no awareness of our history.

And who's talking about "discriminating"? Don't we all the freedom to stand up for what we believe? Broussard is simply standing up for what he thinks is right, and the values that he think promote a healthy society. I'd be willing to bet that he even supports civil unions for homosexuals. Your lumping of Broussard into a group of hateful, ignorant "anti-gay" people just shows your own prejudices, and your inability to think outside of your own little box.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The framers all signed it.

 

[Further]

Shooter, if CB said " I think all whites are the devil and should be spat on" I'm sure you would agree that ESPN should and would fire him. It's their prerogative who they employ. Now CB did not say anything as inflamitory as I suggested, but it's still their prerogative who they employ. I personally believe he will not be fired, but it's a real possibility. CB made a choice to speak his mind and now must suffer any consequences. I would hope that instead of being fired, some people involved in the gay community would talk long and hard with him and hopefully convince him to be more open and accepting. Like with Kobe, he said some shitty derogatory things and has come around enough that he was one of the first to tweet his support of Collins.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is pretty mild for Shooter; I'm actually impressed with the civility.

How do you I wasn't talking about you?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

How do you I wasn't talking about you?

I really don't but I thought I'd try to play it off cool.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

When a player signs on to be a representative for a major corporation like the NBA, he is being paid a heft sum of money to play basketball, not to give his opinion on homosexuality. So why is it okay for all these NBA players to be publicly voicing their approval of someone who is "coming out"?

Are you serious?

Wow.

Just wow.

You are such a typical ignorant American.

 

[BlazerBeav]

I hope they terminate Broussard - not because of his ignorant comments, but because I've always found him to be a terrible basketball analyst/insider. He's not a particularly good speaker and never brings anything of value to a broadcast.

 

[Further]

Are you serious?

Wow.

Just wow.

You are such a typical ignorant American.

There is no typical ignorant American. We come in all flavors.

 

[Shooter]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The framers all signed it.

Yes, all men are "created" equal, but what they choose to do with their lives, and the decisions they make, is another matter. The framers never meant to protect the rights NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association, or adulterers, or people who want to have sex with family members, or with animals. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are not documents that give us carte blanche rights to any kind of behavior under the sun.

 

[magnifier661]

So this is the nba player Kingspeed slept with