Bogus! We are quietly doing Philly's lame "process"

[Stevenson]

It really took a lot, but after 15 years the Blazers have finally lost this season ticket holder.

It makes me sad, but aside from the team being boring and lame, worst of all maybe is that management is secretly and silently doing the Philly "process" - i.e., trying to lose, and for the third year in a row now. But they don't even have the integrity to tell us that that is the plan.

And then there is the "team." The way the players play, and the obscure players they trot out there, and the fake injuries are not even remotely close to the price of admission And in doesn't look to be any different any time soon.

So I'll stop feeling lucky if I sell my lower bowl seats for half-price, stop wishing it was fun to watch this team again, and just stop. I've had my fill.

You win Jody and Joe. Enjoy your empty stadium until 2028.

 

[Natebishop3]

They only traded Dame before this season. The rebuild didn't even officially start until this season. I wish people would be more patient.

 

[Trailblazers76]

It's the shits, but honestly how were the Blazers going to get good without tanking hard? You can't win a ring without superstars so the Blazers have to get lucky and draft a couple, cause we can't get shit all from any other team. We're in no man's land let's face it. Can't get a big name through trade, can't get one in free agency. Our only solution is drafting and luck. The front office did what had to be done. Sure we could have made some lateral moves and remained sniffing the playoffs for another 10 years but I'm tired of that, I want a ring baby. I'm all in on being shit for the next couple years. But I don't buy season tickets so I don't blame you

 

[Tince]

It's the shits, but honestly how were the Blazers going to get good without tanking hard? You can't win a ring without superstars so the Blazers have to get lucky and draft a couple, cause we can't get shit all from any other team. We're in no man's land let's face it. Can't get a big name through trade, can't get one in free agency. Our only solution is drafting and luck. The front office did what had to be done. Sure we could have made some lateral moves and remained sniffing the playoffs for another 10 years but I'm tired of that, I want a ring baby. I'm all in on being shit for the next couple years. But I don't buy season tickets so I don't blame you

The Blazers could've been good with Dame... now they weren't going to be a championship contending team with Dame without adding a top 15ish player in the league next to them.

My concern in trading away Dame was I didn't think the probability of finding two new top 15ish players was going to be easier than adding one next to Dame. Neither were going to be easy, but under current ownership, with an inexperienced front office, and with an inexperienced coach; finding, acquiring, developing, and retaining two top 15ish players seemed near impossible. And of course, this rebuild opened up the path of turning into the process 76ers, or the Pistons, or the Magic, Bobcats, etc. for much longer than I think people anticipated. We've got so bad that getting back to the playoffs and getting swept is going to be a tough to accomplish anytime soon, let alone contending.

But here we are, so I'm trying to roll with it! The rebuild will be fun, they said.

 

[Natebishop3]

The Blazers could've been good with Dame... now they weren't going to be a championship contending team with Dame without adding a top 15ish player in the league next to them.

My concern in trading away Dame was I didn't think the probability of finding two new top 15ish players was going to be easier than adding one next to Dame. Neither were going to be easy, but under current ownership, with an inexperienced front office, and with an inexperienced coach; finding, acquiring, developing, and retaining two top 15ish players seemed near impossible. And of course, this rebuild opened up the path of turning into the process 76ers, or the Pistons, or the Magic, Bobcats, etc. for much longer than I think people anticipated. We've got so bad that getting back to the playoffs and getting swept is going to be a tough to accomplish anytime soon, let alone contending.

But here we are, so I'm trying to roll with it! The rebuild will be fun, they said.

But wouldn't how things have gone in Milwaukie maybe been an indication that even adding a top 5 player wouldn't have been enough? I'm interested to see how they play in the playoffs.

 

[HailBlazers]

But wouldn't how things have gone in Milwaukie maybe been an indication that even adding a top 5 player wouldn't have been enough? I'm interested to see how they play in the playoffs.

Hell, look at Phoenix.

 

[crandc]

I never liked tanking. It makes games boring. It demoralizes players and fans. And chances of a generational player are still slim. Play your best, win or lose. Get good players and coaches who can make them better. Hope for a pleasant surprise like Damian Lillard.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I still enjoy watching the games. The guys usually play really hard and ball and player movement is pretty good.

 

[KingSpeed]

The Blazers could've been good with Dame... now they weren't going to be a championship contending team with Dame without adding a top 15ish player in the league next to them.

My concern in trading away Dame was I didn't think the probability of finding two new top 15ish players was going to be easier than adding one next to Dame. Neither were going to be easy, but under current ownership, with an inexperienced front office, and with an inexperienced coach; finding, acquiring, developing, and retaining two top 15ish players seemed near impossible. And of course, this rebuild opened up the path of turning into the process 76ers, or the Pistons, or the Magic, Bobcats, etc. for much longer than I think people anticipated. We've got so bad that getting back to the playoffs and getting swept is going to be a tough to accomplish anytime soon, let alone contending.

But here we are, so I'm trying to roll with it! The rebuild will be fun, they said.

Keep in mind Dame demanded a trade. It wasn’t Joe’s plan.

 

[KingSpeed]

It really took a lot, but after 15 years the Blazers have finally lost this season ticket holder.

It makes me sad, but aside from the team being boring and lame, worst of all maybe is that management is secretly and silently doing the Philly "process" - i.e., trying to lose, and for the third year in a row now. But they don't even have the integrity to tell us that that is the plan.

And then there is the "team." The way the players play, and the obscure players they trot out there, and the fake injuries are not even remotely close to the price of admission And in doesn't look to be any different any time soon.

So I'll stop feeling lucky if I sell my lower bowl seats for half-price, stop wishing it was fun to watch this team again, and just stop. I've had my fill.

You win Jody and Joe. Enjoy your empty stadium until 2028.

The narcissism that the lack of your presence means the whole place is empty lol….

 

[wizenheimer]

Keep in mind Dame demanded a trade. It wasn’t Joe’s plan.

I think that's false

whether it was a plan or just opportunity driven, it's pretty clear to me that Cronin essentially maneuvered Dame into asking for a trade. Dame even asked to rescind his trade request, for a while at least, but bridges were smoldering ashes by then

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't think trading away Dame was "quiet"....it was the noisiest thing the Blazers had done since trading for Pippen

and as mentioned, that trade was less than 8 months ago, not 8 years

Philly wasn't the first team to use the "process"; and they weren't the last team either. There is no other course for a small market team that doesn't have all-star talent....and Portland doesn't. The Blazers are 22 games behind the 10th seed.

They were not going to generate 22 more wins by playing all their veterans lots of minutes in some idiotic win-now mode. They can't sign high level talent in free agency; they don't have the assets to trade for high level talent. Their only chance is the draft and that chance is only viable if they have a string of high lottery picks and can somehow resist the temptation to use them on players under 6'5

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't think trading away Dame was "quiet"....it was the noisiest thing the Blazers had done since trading for Pippen

and as mentioned, that trade was less than 8 months ago, not 8 years

Philly wasn't the first team to use the "process"; and they weren't the last team either. There is no other course for a small market team that doesn't have all-star talent....and Portland doesn't. The Blazers are 22 games behind the 10th seed.

They were not going to generate 22 more wins by playing all their veterans lots of minutes in some idiotic win-now mode. They can't sign high level talent in free agency; they don't have the assets to trade for high level talent. Their only chance is the draft and that chance is only viable if they have a string of high lottery picks and can somehow resist the temptation to use them on players under 6'5

Yeah, the Spurs are currently using "the process" and they have Wemby to show for it.

 

[inconceivable]

Our contending team of the future

Scoot / Dame
Sharpe /
Camara / Walker
Markannen / Sarr
Ayton / Timelord

Assuming Sharpe is Kobe and Scoot is MVP DRose and Camara is Pippen

 

[Phatguysrule]

They only traded Dame before this season. The rebuild didn't even officially start until this season. I wish people would be more patient.

We lost deliberately the two seasons prior to this. This is the 3rd season of deliberately losing games.

Nobody has enough time to waste supporting that... If you enjoy it, that's great.

 

[BassPlaya]

I still enjoy watching the games. The guys usually play really hard and ball and player movement is pretty good.

...which for me.....is the whole point. I'm not a fan only to see a championship. I'm a fan to see good people, give their all. I wouldn't trade this for a title winning group of mercenaries and thugs.

Why is Green still playing for GS? He's is an unbalanced thug.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The Blazers could've been good with Dame... now they weren't going to be a championship contending team with Dame without adding a top 15ish player in the league next to them.

My concern in trading away Dame was I didn't think the probability of finding two new top 15ish players was going to be easier than adding one next to Dame. Neither were going to be easy, but under current ownership, with an inexperienced front office, and with an inexperienced coach; finding, acquiring, developing, and retaining two top 15ish players seemed near impossible. And of course, this rebuild opened up the path of turning into the process 76ers, or the Pistons, or the Magic, Bobcats, etc. for much longer than I think people anticipated. We've got so bad that getting back to the playoffs and getting swept is going to be a tough to accomplish anytime soon, let alone contending.

But here we are, so I'm trying to roll with it! The rebuild will be fun, they said.

Bingo. This was always going to suck more than keeping Dame, IMO.

Which is fine. But don't expect me to fund deliberately losing games.

 

[Natebishop3]

We lost deliberately the two seasons prior to this. This is the 3rd season of deliberately losing games.

Nobody has enough time to waste supporting that... If you enjoy it, that's great.

Nobody enjoys working in the mail room. But you have to start somewhere. Some people who start in the mail room, work their way up to management.

The Blazers are currently doing the equivalent of the mail room. It's boring and the work sucks but that's how you get your foot in the door.

 

[Hoopguru]

We lost deliberately the two seasons prior to this. This is the 3rd season of deliberately losing games.

Nobody has enough time to waste supporting that... If you enjoy it, that's great.

Thats right and that was when we heard we are going to build around Dame.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nobody enjoys working in the mail room. But you have to start somewhere. Some people who start in the mail room, work their way up to management.

The Blazers are currently doing the equivalent of the mail room. It's boring and the work sucks but that's how you get your foot in the door.

Great. But I don't expect people to pay to watch Chauncy and Joe lick envelopes...

 

[Strenuus]

It really took a lot, but after 15 years the Blazers have finally lost this season ticket holder.

It makes me sad, but aside from the team being boring and lame, worst of all maybe is that management is secretly and silently doing the Philly "process" - i.e., trying to lose, and for the third year in a row now. But they don't even have the integrity to tell us that that is the plan.

And then there is the "team." The way the players play, and the obscure players they trot out there, and the fake injuries are not even remotely close to the price of admission And in doesn't look to be any different any time soon.

So I'll stop feeling lucky if I sell my lower bowl seats for half-price, stop wishing it was fun to watch this team again, and just stop. I've had my fill.

You win Jody and Joe. Enjoy your empty stadium until 2028.

Proud of you. Hopefully more do it. Gotta send a message

 

[Strenuus]

The Blazers could've been good with Dame... now they weren't going to be a championship contending team with Dame without adding a top 15ish player in the league next to them.

My concern in trading away Dame was I didn't think the probability of finding two new top 15ish players was going to be easier than adding one next to Dame. Neither were going to be easy, but under current ownership, with an inexperienced front office, and with an inexperienced coach; finding, acquiring, developing, and retaining two top 15ish players seemed near impossible. And of course, this rebuild opened up the path of turning into the process 76ers, or the Pistons, or the Magic, Bobcats, etc. for much longer than I think people anticipated. We've got so bad that getting back to the playoffs and getting swept is going to be a tough to accomplish anytime soon, let alone contending.

But here we are, so I'm trying to roll with it! The rebuild will be fun, they said.

I was in on the rebuild, but it seems the organization took a raincheck on that so I just stopped caring. Hoping more people stop caring so it starts affecting their bottom line, because that's the only way change is going to happen.

 

[Tince]

But wouldn't how things have gone in Milwaukie maybe been an indication that even adding a top 5 player wouldn't have been enough? I'm interested to see how they play in the playoffs.

I'm interested too. And I fully admit the path to keeping Dame and being able to acquire another top talent didn't have great odds. From there, as you point out, nothing is a sure thing.

As I saw (see) it, the paths to contend without Dame and with Dame were both ones with very slim margins for error. The path without Dame provides more chances to get lucky, but you also have to do more things right, something I've been skeptical of this organization being able to pull off. My theory was getting lucky once was going to be easier than getting lucky twice. And of course, being halfway decent vs been terrible was appealing to me.

 

[Tince]

I was in on the rebuild, but it seems the organization took a raincheck on that so I just stopped caring. Hoping more people stop caring so it starts affecting their bottom line, because that's the only way change is going to happen.

I get people wanting the rebuild, I'm just surprised people didn't think this was how it was going to go. What has happened seemed far more likely than them nailing the 2022 draft pick and getting Wemby in 2023, and competing with young guys right away. The odds of this being the Detroit Pistons/Charolette Bobacat(Hornets) rebuild always seem far more likely than it turning into what OKC is doing; and even that took a bit.

 

[Tince]

Keep in mind Dame demanded a trade. It wasn’t Joe’s plan.

Many people wanted a rebuild prior to Dame asking for a trade citing the rebuild would be better than watching a mid-tier team. My stance was made prior to Dame wanting a trade and was made to the folks on this board as my warning to what may be ahead. I'm not blaming Cronin (or Dame) that the rebuild is now happening, My post is for the folks who continually bang the drum for change and grossly over-estimate the probability said change will produce a positive result.

Sometimes it's better to appreciate things being good instead of complaining things aren't great.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Many people wanted a rebuild prior to Dame asking for a trade citing the rebuild would be better than watching a mid-tier team. My stance was made prior to Dame wanting a trade and was made to the folks on this board as my warning to what may be ahead. I'm not blaming Cronin (or Dame) that the rebuild is now happening, My post is for the folks who continually bang the drum for change and grossly over-estimate the probability said change will produce a positive result.

Sometimes it's better to appreciate things being good instead of complaining things aren't great.

This.

 

[tlongII]

Well I dumped my Timbers tickets so I understand. I like my money too much to pay for a dogshit product.

 

[wizenheimer]

Many people wanted a rebuild prior to Dame asking for a trade citing the rebuild would be better than watching a mid-tier team. My stance was made prior to Dame wanting a trade and was made to the folks on this board as my warning to what may be ahead. I'm not blaming Cronin (or Dame) that the rebuild is now happening, My post is for the folks who continually bang the drum for change and grossly over-estimate the probability said change will produce a positive result.

Sometimes it's better to appreciate things being good instead of complaining things aren't great.

that's kind of similar to what I was saying

I especially pushed back against those saying, and there were several, that it would be a quick turn-around for Portland after trading Dame. What was nuts was that several posters were expecting the Blazers to get some massive haul in the Dame trade.

as you said, the chances Portland could build a contender around Dame were small; but they were better than the alternative...which we're seeing right now

Minnesota was in the WCF in 2004. After that, they spent 13 consecutive seasons in the lottery; and 16 of the next 17 seasons in the lottery. In 20 years they have won 4 playoff games. They may finally be a contender after 2 decades though. They better because they mortgaged their future for Gobert

the Kings spent 16 consecutive seasons in the lottery; and they don't look like a contender yet

Portland fired Olshey less that 2.5 years ago; Cronin didn't start dismantling Olshey's roster till a little over 2 years ago; Dame was traded 8 months ago. The Blazers are at the beginning of a process that will likely take several more years. They don't get the 'good' draft assets from the Dame trade till 2028 & 2029, and those assets might not be that good by then. Blazers are saddled with ownership that sure appears more focused on cash flow and executor management fees than in building a winner. And they have a GM who has signaled he may be happy trotting out rosters that have Ant/Grant/Ayton jockeying to be the best player. This is not a formula for a quick turnaround. It might be a formula for perpetual play-in teams, over the cap while dodging the tax line, and lousy draft picks

 

[Natebishop3]

Many people wanted a rebuild prior to Dame asking for a trade citing the rebuild would be better than watching a mid-tier team. My stance was made prior to Dame wanting a trade and was made to the folks on this board as my warning to what may be ahead. I'm not blaming Cronin (or Dame) that the rebuild is now happening, My post is for the folks who continually bang the drum for change and grossly over-estimate the probability said change will produce a positive result.

Sometimes it's better to appreciate things being good instead of complaining things aren't great.

I wanted that because I think the haul would have been better... but maybe not?

 

[Strenuus]

I get people wanting the rebuild, I'm just surprised people didn't think this was how it was going to go. What has happened seemed far more likely than them nailing the 2022 draft pick and getting Wemby in 2023, and competing with young guys right away. The odds of this being the Detroit Pistons/Charolette Bobacat(Hornets) rebuild always seem far more likely than it turning into what OKC is doing; and even that took a bit.

100% get that.

I just feel there's apathy FROM the organization.