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dviss1 said:
LOL. Says the guy who wastes time trolling on an internet forum?
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Trolling? NAH..not me. I try to provide good content and reasonable thought provoking questions. I can’t help that you disagree with my posts. You are the one clinging to my every word and quoting me every chance you get..so who’s the real troll?

Good talk.
 
DameLill379 said:
Avery Bradly is a good example. Does he score in volume as much? No, but he would fit the description of a solid scorer with a very good defensive game.
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He's a nice player, but he's only 6'2". Do we want to get shorter at the 2G spot? He only makes $8.8 million, so the Pistons would have to agree to add players to make the numbers work. I guess I really can't see him being a realistic option, but who knows? Someone like that would be a great target for a backup 2G.

Why not just work on CJ's defense? Everyone used to rag on Dame for defense, but he's improved dramatically this season. Why can't CJ do the same?
 
e_blazer said:
He's a nice player, but he's only 6'2". Do we want to get shorter at the 2G spot? He only makes $8.8 million, so the Pistons would have to agree to add players to make the numbers work. I guess I really can't see him being a realistic option, but who knows? Someone like that would be a great target for a backup 2G.

Why not just work on CJ's defense? Everyone used to rag on Dame for defense, but he's improved dramatically this season. Why can't CJ do the same?
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He can improve. Anyone can. I just find it hard to believe that he will to much of higher degree at this point...I can agree with you that it would be the most ideal thing that can come about. We still need good SG depth as well.
 
The one that might work out (though no idea why WAS would do it) is CJ for Beal, or maybe Covington (PHI) or Smart (BOS) if goodies were involved.
Frankly, I see us closer to having an all-white lineup trade than an all-star caliber guard who plays better D coming back for CJ. :dunno:
 
e_blazer said:
He's a nice player, but he's only 6'2". Do we want to get shorter at the 2G spot? He only makes $8.8 million, so the Pistons would have to agree to add players to make the numbers work. I guess I really can't see him being a realistic option, but who knows? Someone like that would be a great target for a backup 2G.

Why not just work on CJ's defense? Everyone used to rag on Dame for defense, but he's improved dramatically this season. Why can't CJ do the same?
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Bradley may be shorter than CJ, but has a longer wingspan, and probably has a higher standing reach, so while smaller, he plays bigger. As for who else would need to be added, CJ/Vonleh for Bradley/Harris works cap-wise, is pretty even talent-wise, and shaves about 2.6 mil off our cap. If the Pistons' perception of CJ is high enough, could potentially return a pick with a deal like that too. I wouldn't be opposed to something like that, I think.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
In general, I agree, but this @DameLill379 appears to be handling himself quite well. From what I've seen so far, I think he has precisely the right temperament for this board. 4 out of 5, would read again.
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I agree about @DameLill379, he's been a great addition.

But I've already received one PM accusing him of secretly being Tunchi and that he needs to be banned.

It's amazing how one troll can scar so many. (not calling you a troll, @DameLill379)
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Bradley may be shorter than CJ, but has a longer wingspan, and probably has a higher standing reach, so while smaller, he plays bigger. As for who else would need to be added, CJ/Vonleh for Bradley/Harris works cap-wise, is pretty even talent-wise, and shaves about 2.6 mil off our cap. If the Pistons' perception of CJ is high enough, could potentially return a pick with a deal like that too. I wouldn't be opposed to something like that, I think.
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Absolutely agree. I feel like one of the main reasons they let him walk is because they drafted Marcus Smart so high and after developing over the past few years, they wanted to thrust him into the starting position and see how he fares. He’s done pretty well. But that is no indictment on Bradly. Brady is a beast D player with a good 3 point shot. He was a big reason for Boston’s defensive success last year. I’d love to have him. I love CJ too but if a move like that makes the team more steady on the back court, defensively, i’d be willing to do it.
 
Hey said:
With Oladipo as their best player and they're in a far better cap situation. We are so far away from contending, it's not even funny. If we don't make a trade, we're going to stay stuck in no man's land.
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The following teams have records between .500 (20-20) and .535 (23-20):
OKC
Indy
Bucks
Pels
Pistons
Blazers
Nuggs
Clips
76ers


The 4 youngest teams in the league are:
LAL
Bulls
Suns
Blazers

The good news is that LAL, Bulls, and Suns all have records that are much worse records. So, there is some optimism being a Blazers fan. (Of course, the 5th youngest team is Boston :) )

The Good:
We've got a great backcourt in Lillard and McCollum, and now we've added Nurk to that. Collins will be amazing...

The Bad:
...but RIGHT NOW Collins is a well below average NBA player. We need to add another piece, the sooner the better.
We re-signed our guys, right before the NBA salary Bubble Burst.

The Ugly: We're in the luxury tax, paying dead money to a couple of guys who've never played for us, but the worst,
IMHO, is the ET contract. On the verge of being a 2-way player, which we could really use, is too often a 0-way player,
and superexpensive at that. Of course, many wish to ignore the fact that that summer was a use it or lose it situation
cap-wise.

In Summary:
There are a lot of good teams struggling, and many are older than us.
Life isn't a box of chocolates in the velvet rut, but we're in better shape than most, and THAT includes Indy, who is
older, and can't attract FAs any better than we can.
 
DameLill379 said:
They all go hand in hand so let’s start with the last since It is more of a current event than the rest. We need to A.)Break down and trade CJ for a two way guard who can actually play defense, doesn’t get caught sleeping on the screen, doesn’t get burned playing on ball defense and lastly, can shoot the mid range jumper. This is going to be VERY unpopular option based on CJ’s popularity here. He’s a home grown talent and he’s a sharp shooter...but his defense is holding us back severely in a western conference where every guard is a beast. Or B.) make a package trade for a starting wing scorer to stop the bleeding and cut down on missed opportunities from unworthy players such as ET, Harkless, ect. We need players who can finish at the rim as well as play on ball D. You make a trade for a great one or you make a trade for a few good ones.

PS. I don’t suggest trading CJ unless we absolutely need to pull the trigger on a deal that gets ourdefense and mid range shot effective. I wouldprefer that player be a superstar player...it woulddepend on the situation.
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I'll choose B because CJ is OK. Maybe we can dump Turner in an Israeli league
 
Wizard Mentor said:
The following teams have records between .500 (20-20) and .535 (23-20):
OKC
Indy
Bucks
Pels
Pistons
Blazers
Nuggs
Clips
76ers


The 4 youngest teams in the league are:
LAL
Bulls
Suns
Blazers

The good news is that LAL, Bulls, and Suns all have records that are much worse records. So, there is some optimism being a Blazers fan. (Of course, the 5th youngest team is Boston :) )

The Good:
We've got a great backcourt in Lillard and McCollum, and now we've added Nurk to that. Collins will be amazing...

The Bad:
...but RIGHT NOW Collins is a well below average NBA player. We need to add another piece, the sooner the better.
We re-signed our guys, right before the NBA salary Bubble Burst.

The Ugly: We're in the luxury tax, paying dead money to a couple of guys who've never played for us, but the worst,
IMHO, is the ET contract. On the verge of being a 2-way player, which we could really use, is too often a 0-way player,
and superexpensive at that. Of course, many wish to ignore the fact that that summer was a use it or lose it situation
cap-wise.

In Summary:
There are a lot of good teams struggling, and many are older than us.
Life isn't a box of chocolates in the velvet rut, but we're in better shape than most, and THAT includes Indy, who is
older, and can't attract FAs any better than we can.
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> Damn that's good. ET sucks and will always suck. Having him is like having your mother in law in the back seat for a three thousand mile trip. AAtXojG.jpg
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Shhhhh.... Don't tell anyone.
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BrianFromWA said:
The one that might work out (though no idea why WAS would do it) is CJ for Beal, or maybe Covington (PHI) or Smart (BOS) if goodies were involved.
Frankly, I see us closer to having an all-white lineup trade than an all-star caliber guard who plays better D coming back for CJ. :dunno:
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CJ for Beal has been on my wish list for awhile...after Butler was traded he seemed like a great next option acquisition
 
riverman said:
CJ for Beal has been on my wish list for awhile...after Butler was traded he seemed like a great next option acquisition
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Why would WAS trade him? He's having another great year, his second in a row, he really broke out last year. They are 25-18. He is healthy, only 24 and makes slightly less than C.J.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Why would WAS trade him? He's having another great year, his second in a row, he really broke out last year. They are 25-18. He is healthy, only 24 and makes slightly less than C.J.

BNM
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This is the problem with every trade of a starter in the league.....Isiah Thomas was the darling of the Celtics just last season..you'd have to think they loved CJ and Wall would make up for the passing...or that a core player just wants a new landscape....CJs girlfriend lives in New York and he's from Ohio....east coast draw...where he would be an allstar
 
I still think that there's far too much effort being spent around here trying to dream up trades for another guard to replace CJ. Yeah, Butler abuses CJ, but we don't play the T'Wolves every night. What we need is more consistent front line scoring. I'm hoping Olshey is spending his energy there.
 
Hey said:
With Oladipo as their best player and they're in a far better cap situation. We are so far away from contending, it's not even funny. If we don't make a trade, we're going to stay stuck in no man's land.
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But we destroyed them in their own building.
 
The move is to replace the coach. You can easily fire him, but firing all the players is much harder to do.

A new coach could make this collection of talent shine. It looks to me more like they're underperforming, not that they all suck. Nurk is case in point.

I'm a fan of Stotts, but it seems to me he's had plenty of time to show his best work. The record is the bottom line.
 
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