We Need To Go Full Force on Trading for Millsap

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Why are so many so eager to get rid of Aminu? That contract he's got is gold and he's still got a ceiling he hasn't hit yet.
 
Scalma said:
Why are so many so eager to get rid of Aminu? That contract he's got is gold and he's still got a ceiling he hasn't hit yet.
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which is exactly why he could bring back a player like Millsap in a situation like this.
 
theprunetang said:
Actually yes. I don't think they need Aminu with the rest of the guys they have on their roster, even with his totally reasonable contact. I think it would take Plumlee, Vonleh, Cleveland pick and a future unprotected first from us.
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If that would get him here, I'd do that in a heartbeat.
 
Scalma said:
Why are so many so eager to get rid of Aminu? That contract he's got is gold and he's still got a ceiling he hasn't hit yet.
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Not eager to get rid of him per se; but certainly willing to upgrade him.
 
No more trading of Draft picks! Those picks are about the only way Portland can build our keep players and Olshey keeps giving them away in years for players we no longer have. I like Milsap but two young players in Davis and Aminu plus picks for a guy on the wrong side of 30 is not the way to build in my opinion. Very nice sort tween fix but it Durant make you a championship team this season and then by the next year Millsap is going on 33.
 
Scalma said:
Why are so many so eager to get rid of Aminu? That contract he's got is gold and he's still got a ceiling he hasn't hit yet.
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I am not super eager to get rid of him, but since he signed last year, he is on a Super cheap contract for what he can provide for a team. He would probably get Bazemore or Turner money in this current market. That is a tradable asset and if that helped actually finally move the needle, then you have to pull the trigger. If a deal can't be made I am more than happy to have Aminu back next season.
 
Isn't the whole point that Atlanta needs to clear cap space? How much do they need to clear to sign Howard/Horford/Baze?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Isn't the whole point that Atlanta needs to clear cap space? How much do they need to clear to sign Howard/Horford/Baze?
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That is the whole point. They can't take on too much. We might have a better chance if we renounce a couple players, give them a cheap player, a couple draft picks, and give them a player exception.
 
It looks like Horford is out in Atlanta. They'd free up enough space by losing Splitter and Sefalosha. That's the kind of cap space they're talking about freeing up.

It's more likely they want to pair Howard and Millsap. Howard makes a lot less than Horford would ($70.5M / 3 vs $150M+/5).

It makes more sense for us to just go after Horford in the first place. He's the better fit for us.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/dwight-howard-upgrade-al-horford-hawks/story?id=40297083
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...kent-bazemore-hawks-nba-free-agency/86628482/
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/d...tedly-reach-3-year-70-5m-deal-things-to-know/
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...t_in_al_horford_not_dependent_on_kevin_durant
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-but-none-of-them-seem-to-involve-the-hawks/
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242585/Al-Horford-Meets-With-Rockets-Wizards

All say the odds of Atlanta signing Horford are slim.
 
theprunetang said:
That is the whole point. They can't take on too much. We might have a better chance if we renounce a couple players, give them a cheap player, a couple draft picks, and give them a player exception.
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Plumlee and Vonleh would be enough so that we'd only have to renounce 1 of our RFA (Probably Harkless)

Lillard/CJ/Turner/Millsap/Davis
Crabbe/Aminu/Leonard
 
Denny Crane said:
It looks like Horford is out in Atlanta. They'd free up enough space by losing Splitter and Sefalosha. It's more likely they want to pair Howard and Millsap.

It makes more sense for us to just go after Horford in the first place. He's the better fit for us.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/dwight-howard-upgrade-al-horford-hawks/story?id=40297083
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...kent-bazemore-hawks-nba-free-agency/86628482/
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/d...tedly-reach-3-year-70-5m-deal-things-to-know/
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...t_in_al_horford_not_dependent_on_kevin_durant
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-but-none-of-them-seem-to-involve-the-hawks/
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242585/Al-Horford-Meets-With-Rockets-Wizards

All say the odds of Atlanta signing Horford are slim.
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I trust Woj over all of them.
 
theprunetang said:
That is the whole point. They can't take on too much. We might have a better chance if we renounce a couple players, give them a cheap player, a couple draft picks, and give them a player exception.
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Vonleh+Plumlee+Cleveland Pick for Millsap.

Millsap is making 20 million.

Vonleh+Plumlee are around 5 million.

That leaves 15 million that we'd need in cap space.

If we renounce Hendo/Kaman/Roberts, that puts us at 24.675 million. Subtract Turner's 17 million and that gives us 7.675 million in space. We need another 7.5. If we cut Meyers, that gets us there.

Dame
CJ
Turner
Millsap
Davis

Of course, we have no backup center at this point. We still have Aminu and Harkless who can swing between the forward spots. We also have Crabbe, so the bench still has teeth. We'd need to find a backup point guard and a backup center.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Vonleh+Plumlee+Cleveland Pick for Millsap.

Millsap is making 20 million.

Vonleh+Plumlee are around 5 million.

That leaves 15 million that we'd need in cap space.

If we renounce Hendo/Kaman/Roberts, that puts us at 24.675 million. Subtract Turner's 17 million and that gives us 7.675 million in space. We need another 7.5. If we cut Meyers, that gets us there.

Dame
CJ
Turner
Millsap
Davis

Of course, we have no backup center at this point. We still have Aminu and Harkless who can swing between the forward spots. We also have Crabbe, so the bench still has teeth. We'd need to find a backup point guard and a backup center.
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Now that you spell things out in real terms, that seems pretty unlikely. Ugh. I am not sure Neil would gut the roster like that.
 
The Suns are in talks with ATL... With their young and cheap assets, I doubt we could match or send a better deal than them.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
The Suns are in talks with ATL... With their young and cheap assets, I doubt we could match or send a better deal than them.
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THAT'S a good plan. Deal away a bunch of young talent on a rebuilding roster for a guy in his 30s. That makes NO sense. They don't have a Dame or a CJ. Adding Millsap makes sense for us because we already made the playoffs. We are a piece or two away from being able to actually contend in the west. The Suns are not a piece or two away. They don't even have a foundational piece right now. They have an injury prone Bledsoe and Brandon Knight. That's simply not good enough. Millsap won't do shit for that team.
 
Natebishop3 said:
THAT'S a good plan. Deal away a bunch of young talent on a rebuilding roster for a guy in his 30s. That makes NO sense. They don't have a Dame or a CJ. Adding Millsap makes sense for us because we already made the playoffs. We are a piece or two away from being able to actually contend in the west. The Suns are not a piece or two away. They don't even have a foundational piece right now. They have an injury prone Bledsoe and Brandon Knight. That's simply not good enough. Millsap won't do shit for that team.
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Hey, the Suns want him... But this is the same team that signed Tyson Chandler long term before having a commitment from LA last summer, they're an odd franchise the last 2-3 seasons... But ATL would be stupid to turn down something like TJ Warren and Marquese Chriss for Millsap if it meant retaining Horford.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Hey, the Suns want him... But this is the same team that signed Tyson Chandler long term before having a commitment from LA last summer, they're an odd franchise the last 2-3 seasons... But ATL would be stupid to turn down something like TJ Warren and Marquese Chriss for Millsap if it meant retaining Horford.
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Not disagreeing with you.... I just think Phoenix is stupid as fuck.
 
As much as I'd love Millsap to play here, we don't have the assets to get this done. Atlanta will not be interested in Plumlee when they have both Horford and Howard. They might be interested in Crabbe but due to stupid rules we cannot trade him with any other assets. Actually Davis, Crabbe and Leonard/Aminu would probably get this done but we have no such offer to present to them.
 
Sarni said:
As much as I'd love Millsap to play here, we don't have the assets to get this done. Atlanta will not be interested in Plumlee when they have both Horford and Howard. They might be interested in Crabbe but due to stupid rules we cannot trade him with any other assets. Actually Davis, Crabbe and Leonard/Aminu would probably get this done but we have no such offer to present to them.
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But the point is to clear cap space. They can't take back a bunch of assets because they need the space to sign Bazemore/Horford/Howard. They CAN'T take back a huge haul like Aminu/Leonard.
 
I think things have gone quiet because we're waiting to see where Durant/Horford fall. Hopefully we can swoop in and facilitate something.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Isn't the whole point that Atlanta needs to clear cap space? How much do they need to clear to sign Howard/Horford/Baze?
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If we hadn't signed Turner we'd have that cap space, no? (ducks and runs)
 
BonesJones said:
Should Atlanta be able to resign Horford, they'll be looking to trade Millsap. We have the perfect pieces to acquire him with cheap guys like Aminu and Davis that would help them save cap space and fit their style of play. We shouldn't mind putting draft picks in play as well. If it's possible to get Millsap, then we have to try. He's a perfect 3rd option and one of, if not the best defensive PF in the league. He's also a solid 3 point shooter, so he fits perfectly next to 3 shot creators in Lillard, McCollum, and Turner.

Here's some stats:
Per 36 Stats: 18.8ppg, 10reb, 3.6asp
Percentages: 47% FGs, 32% 3pt, 76% FT,
Box Plus Mines: Offensive: 1.1, Defensive: 4.2, Total: 5.3

We have a lot of depth, but we're missing that guy in the frontcourt. That guy is Millsap. We can trade a couple players, acquire the perfect fit at PF, and still have a good bench. If it's possible, it has to be explored.



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If millsap is a solid 3pt shooter, so is Evan Turner. They have a 3% difference over their career. And they're best shooting years are practically identical. Evan Turner never had the benefit of playing next to Kyle Korver on a great offensive team though.
Between aminu and Davis, I think we're good at pf and if Vonleh starts coming out of his shell, we're golden.
I think our only need right now is a big defensive minded center.

Basically, I think Turner is going to have a great year, and he fits in great with Terry's offense. He will pretty much always be on the court with 2 of dame Cj and Crabbe. Maybe even all 3 if we wanna go really small. Which I think would be awesome to watch. Evan Turner with the ball on the fast break, with multiple shooters.. We're gonna be getting easy transition 3's or easy dunks/lay ups.
 
Nate said:
If millsap is a solid 3pt shooter, so is Evan Turner. They have a 3% difference over their career. And they're best shooting years are practically identical. Evan Turner never had the benefit of playing next to Kyle Korver on a great offensive team though.
Between aminu and Davis, I think we're good at pf and if Vonleh starts coming out of his shell, we're golden.
I think our only need right now is a big defensive minded center.

Basically, I think Turner is going to have a great year, and he fits in great with Terry's offense. He will pretty much always be on the court with 2 of dame Cj and Crabbe. Maybe even all 3 if we wanna go really small. Which I think would be awesome to watch. Evan Turner with the ball on the fast break, with multiple shooters.. We're gonna be getting easy transition 3's or easy dunks/lay ups.
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Theres a difference youre missing there bud. Millsap is a pf. Turner is a wing (primarily has been a shooting guard). Turner is generally going to be expected to shoot from 3. So it may be 3% points as you said, but thats a pretty shitty context since they play completely different positions.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Theres a difference youre missing there bud. Millsap is a pf. Turner is a wing (primarily has been a shooting guard). Turner is generally going to be expected to shoot from 3. So it may be 3% points as you said, but thats a pretty shitty context since they play completely different positions.
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What? 3pt shooting is 3pt shooting... And neither of them are solid 3pt shooters. That was my main point.

My second point, was that I think we're already set at pf, and we really need a center. Adding Turner (yes, I realize what position he plays) to our current roster, just further cements our primary need being a center.
 
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