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I don't want him traded at all!!! We've got a back up center for life now, that wont break the checkbook. Personally I hope they scope him and he sits till next year. Two years, two different knees. Touchdown Blazers!!!
 
Yea but wasn't David finishing off his military career as he promised? That's a little different and easier for TRUE AMERICANS to get behind! Come on! HA!
 
trade him for the rights to HA

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Yardape said:
Yea but wasn't David finishing off his military career as he promised? That's a little different and easier for TRUE AMERICANS to get behind! Come on! HA!
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See that? That was The Point going past you really fast.

And Ha isn't a true American.
 
ehizzy3 said:
trade him for the rights to HA

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I keep seeing pictures like this and wonder how long it is going to be before Oden does something really (naive and) stupid.

You don't see LMA in pictures with teeny boppers hanging all over him. Of course Rebecca probably doesn't allow it.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Huh?
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In his career to date, Oden has appeared in 46 games out of a possible 141. Those are numbers that would embarass Sam Bowie or Pervis Ellison. Nonetheless, you stated that "knowledgeable" fans wouldn't be concerned or upset.


I'm simply asking you when you believe it is legit to take injuries into account when evaluating a player. 3 years in the league? 5 years?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic - it is a serious question. You believe some of us are being unreasonable with our expectations.....but what do you consider a "reasonable" timeline?
 
Greggers just seems like the type that's in it for fame/money than anything. Going to the Playboy mansion was a joke. He can only ride his hype train for so long.
 
Reep said:
I keep seeing pictures like this and wonder how long it is going to be before Oden does something really (naive and) stupid.

You don't see LMA in pictures with teeny boppers hanging all over him. Of course Rebecca probably doesn't allow it.
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We don't even know when that picture was taken, it could be from high school or college. And who hasn't done something really naive and stupid when they were 20?

This reminds me of the Michael Phelps thing, people are talking about prosecuting him for that bong picture when they can't even prove there was anything illegal in it. :deadhorse:
 
Spud147 said:
We don't even know when that picture was taken, it could be from high school or college. And who hasn't done something really naive and stupid when they were 20?

This reminds me of the Michael Phelps thing, people are talking about prosecuting him for that bong picture when they can't even prove there was anything illegal in it. :deadhorse:
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I actually agree with you. Oden's personal/social life has nothing to do with the concerns being raised.

Al Davis used to say he wanted 2 things from his players: show up on time and make plays. That's all I ask from Oden.
 
Yardape said:
I don't want him traded at all!!! We've got a back up center for life now, that wont break the checkbook. Personally I hope they scope him and he sits till next year. Two years, two different knees. Touchdown Blazers!!!
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Yardape said:
Yea but wasn't David finishing off his military career as he promised? That's a little different and easier for TRUE AMERICANS to get behind! Come on! HA!
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:smiley-eek:

Sometimes reading a message forum can be a surreal experience, no drugs or South American tree frogs needed.
 
You know, it seems like we have 2 camps on here that aren't speaking the same language.

For the record, I never "hated" Sam Bowie. By all accounts, he was a nice guy (and arguably the smartest player on the team). That doesn't change the fact that trading him made the Blazers a better team.

By the same token, I don't "hate" Oden.....I doubt many people here do. That doesn't mean I wouldn't trade him if the right deal came along.

There may be times that Oden's critics are "unreasonable"...but there are also times his supporters are too defensive. I'll promise to chill out if the other side will! :clap:
 
Luke Walton...offer is only good for 24 hours...take it while you can fellas
 
Mike and Mike cant be this bad? can they?
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Yardape said:
You are living in a dream world!!!!!

Recap.....


GO is a player that has been followed since middle school! He was drafted as the center of a decade!! He hasn't played a full season yet, and to be honest outside of about 10 games this year has looked like a second to third round draft pick. He was thought of in the same thoughts as Bill R, Hakeem, Wilt, Patrick and Kareem.

Fans buy season tickets because of the hope of what GO would bring to the hub of ROY and LA. This is a business, and Oden damn well knew it when he became a pro and this comes with not living up to the hype. His fault or not. He hasn't lived up to his billing. This is reasonably light criticism to what he'd be taking in a city like Boston.
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Exactly.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Why am I not enjoying it more? Were you the cheese I ate before bedtime?



So, if he isn't the center of the decade, does that mean we didn't draft him?



Erm, exactly. Hey - at least he's ahead of David Robinson. He didn't play ONE GAME until two years after he was drafted! Fucking loser.
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Yes, but after two years off of basketball, he DOMINATED in his rookie year:

24.3 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 3.9 bpg, 1.7 spg, 2.0 apg

And his team improved its record by 35 games!

So what's Oden's excuse for not being that good. MF Surgery? The guy had a year to recover and, going into the season, said his knee was fine. Even if we give Oden another year to recover, do you really see the potential in Greg to do what David Robinson did? I'm sorry to say it but I don't. My hopes is that Oden will become a 12 & 12 guy with a couple blocks a game. Essentially, that's Beidrins. Not the best center in a generation. It sucks.
 
oldmangrouch said:
In his career to date, Oden has appeared in 46 games out of a possible 141. Those are numbers that would embarass Sam Bowie or Pervis Ellison. Nonetheless, you stated that "knowledgeable" fans wouldn't be concerned or upset.
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Exactly. Sam Bowie had a much better rookie year than Oden is having.
 
What a bunch of fucking babies. Get your bottles ready, shit. Chill the fuck out on Oden, and have a little more patience.
 
KingSpeed said:
How does that matter?
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People bitch about GO all the time, yet Bynum has shown he has had much worse knee joints than Greg. Also, Oden has shown more in his first significant playing time than Bynum had.
 
oldmangrouch said:
In the minds of some of us unreasonable fans, being THE #1 pick in the draft carries with it certain expectations. Some of us more reactionary old coots might even say it carries obligations.

I'm sorry that our existence annoys the pollyanna/drink-the-kool-aid fans. Maybe you are right. If Wall Street millionaires aren't held accountable for their actions, why should basketball players?
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With age should come maturity and patience. Clearly, those qualities passed you right by.
 
oldmangrouch said:
In his career to date, Oden has appeared in 46 games out of a possible 141. Those are numbers that would embarass Sam Bowie or Pervis Ellison. Nonetheless, you stated that "knowledgeable" fans wouldn't be concerned or upset.


I'm simply asking you when you believe it is legit to take injuries into account when evaluating a player. 3 years in the league? 5 years?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic - it is a serious question. You believe some of us are being unreasonable with our expectations.....but what do you consider a "reasonable" timeline?
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At the age of 24, in his career to date, Joel Przybilla had appeared in 158 games out of a possible 410. Those are numbers that would embarrass Sam Bowie or Pervis Ellison. Nonetheless, you stated that "knowledgeable" fans wouldn't be concerned or upset.

I'm simply asking you when you believe it is legit to take injuries into account when evaluating a player. 3 years in the league? 5 years?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic - it is a serious question. You believe some of us are being unreasonable with our expectations.....but what do you consider a "reasonable" timeline?
 
maxiep said:
People bitch about GO all the time, yet Bynum has shown he has had much worse knee joints than Greg. Also, Oden has shown more in his first significant playing time than Bynum had.
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So what? Why are you comparing Greg to a mediocre center like Bynum? I thought Oden was going to be a once in his generation center?
 
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