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Rastapopoulos said:
So - you people who have given up on Oden: don't you think we better trade him now, before everybody else realizes he's a loser? And if so, who do you think would be a fair trade? Because after all, Sam Bowie (Oden's middle two names, apparently) netted us Buck Williams.
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I don't hear anybody saying we should trade him for scraps - but if the Bulls came to us tomorrow and offered Rose-for-Oden, darn right I would do it! If we could get a PG like Rose or Deron Williams for Oden, that would be plenty "fair" enough for me.

BTW, I'm assuming your point is that there is no Bowie-for-Buck type deal out there - which might be true. Certainly, you aren't saying trading Bowie for Williams was a *bad* idea?
 
oldmangrouch said:
I don't hear anybody saying we should trade him for scraps
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Why not? Because he's actually good?

- but if the Bulls came to us tomorrow and offered Rose-for-Oden, darn right I would do it! If we could get a PG like Rose or Deron Williams for Oden, that would be plenty "fair" enough for me.
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Well, duh. But those players are either (Williams) already a star or (Rose) assumed to be a dead cert to be. Again, this seems to assume that Oden is star quality. (In fact, better than star quality, because those guys have no health questions so for teams to be prepared to make that gamble, Oden would have to offer greater reward to counterract the greater risk.) Unless you're assuming that other teams' GMs are suckers and don't know what we know.

Go with the courage of your convictions: suggest dumping him for a solid role player.

BTW, I'm assuming your point is that there is no Bowie-for-Buck type deal out there - which might be true. Certainly, you aren't saying trading Bowie for Williams was a *bad* idea?
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Actually my point was that even the much-maligned Bowie landed us a great player (who, incidentally, went #1 in the draft). Of course, Bowie was bundled with some scrub by the name of Petrovic...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I think this is exactly it. I can understand being upset that Oden is injured. Bad shit happens all the time: Michael Jordon broke his leg in his second year. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (not because he's a comparable player, but because he's a big man) missed most of his first two years with foot problems. [/URL]:

Z missed almost all of his second year, but he played 82 games his rookie year.

Also, aren't we hoping that Oden will be better than Z? The dude averages 13 & 7.
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Rastapopoulos said:
So - you people who have given up on Oden: don't you think we better trade him now, before everybody else realizes he's a loser?
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I haven't given up on him and I honestly don't think we could get much for Oden that would make me happy. I'm merely disappointed that he has had all these injuries and hasn't played very well when healthy. Hopefully, he'll develop into a decent center in two years.
 
PapaG said:
He did the same thing to me. It's what happens when somebody has nothing else to say. It's the lowest common demoninator, and it makes me lose respect for that poster.
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Exactly. When one resorts to personal attacks, one has lost confidence in his argument.
 
KingSpeed said:
and hasn't played very well when healthy.
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He's played extremely well when healthy, which is very promising. Other than fouls. But I think he'll learn to play without fouling.
 
KingSpeed said:
Z missed almost all of his second year, but he played 82 games his rookie year.
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WRONG! In fact Z missed ALL of his rookie year, and only played 5 games in his THIRD year. He was drafted in 1996, but played for the first time in the '97-'98 season (and just like Oden, was regarded as a rookie a year after he was drafted).

Also, aren't we hoping that Oden will be better than Z? The dude averages 13 & 7.
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We're hoping Oden is as good a #1 pick despite injury as Ilgauskas has been a #20 pick despite injury.
 
Minstrel said:
He's played extremely well when healthy, which is very promising. Other than fouls. But I think he'll learn to play without fouling.
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He has played "fine." Fouling out of games and putting up 4pts & 2 rebs vs the Thunder is not "playing extremely well." Yes, he's had his good games, but he is extremely inconsistent, even for a rookie. Look at David Robinson's rookie season. THAT is "playing extremely well."
 
KingSpeed said:
He has played "fine."
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For the season, he's played very well.

Outside of the fouls.

I know that one game against the Thunder made Oden dead to you (for this season), but he did play a few other games. Honest. ;) Some great, some bad, with his averages being very productive.
 
Minstrel said:
For the season, he's played very well.

Outside of the fouls.

I know that one game against the Thunder made Oden dead to you (for this season), but he did play a few other games. Honest. ;) Some great, some bad, with his averages being very productive.
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He had other bad games. He has grabbed less than 5 rebounds in 15 games this season. If he was playing "extremely well," he'd be a contender for Rookie of the Year. But, as of now, he's not.
 
KingSpeed said:
He had other bad games.
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I already said that. He's also had great games. The averages are what matter, and those are very good.

If he was playing "extremely well," he'd be a contender for Rookie of the Year. But, as of now, he's not.
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No, he hasn't played enough to be ROY contender. I said that he's played very well when healthy, other than fouls. Fouls and health I'm not contesting have been problems for him this year, and those are what are preventing him from being a top ROY candidate.
 
KingSpeed said:
Well then you're still wrong. He played all 82 games in his 2nd season.
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Wrong by one GAME. (I said he missed most of his games in his first two years - he missed exactly half.) You were wrong by an entire year. CHECKMATE!
 
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