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The only reason why I think McGee is available is that George Karl doesn't like him, Denver is in a Luxury tax situation and they already have a very good center in their line-up that is much cheaper in Koufos.

Oh if you asking about if it's true that George Karl said negative things about McGee; here is the link to the article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...le-mcgee-lazy-crazy-isn-t-184732689--nba.html

They are not in a luxury tax situation for awhile. They have 57M committed with AI being a free agent next year. Faried is not due an extension yet either. They will try to solve that mystery unless someone else is desparate to unload a star and gamble on his potential.
 
They are not in a luxury tax situation for awhile. They have 57M committed with AI being a free agent next year. Faried is not due an extension yet either. They will try to solve that mystery unless someone else is desparate to unload a star and gamble on his potential.

That doesn't make sense. Where are you getting this information from?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/denver-nuggets-team-salary/

When see this link; it looks like they are committed to much more.
 
Maybe Igs is not guaranteed? I thought it was a player option contract?
 
No no no no no on McGee. He is the perfect example of a player who makes one spectacler play every 10 plays he does so people overvalue him. He gambles for blocks and is a good rebounder but his defense is putrid. He gets lost on rotations, is a bad help defender and leaves his man to try and block everything.
He isnt the answer at center and makes to much to gamble on. Would rather put leonard out there then McGee.
As for Tyreke, the guy is talented and not a bad defender. The one problem I have is he needs the ball in his hands otherwise he isnt very effective offensively, also is a bad 3 point shooter. If we got evans we would be making Lillard play off the ball the majority of time, which may not be a bad thing, to have Evans be effective.
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People over value him?

He has a 22 PER. Plays better D than Hickson...

I don't get the hatred.
 
Defensively, the Nuggets developed him more in two months than the Wizards did in four years, but he still has a ton of work left. McGee is a potentially dominant shot-blocker but has no filter -- he tries to block everything, even if he's 20 feet away or the ball is obviously on its way down. He also has a high center of gravity and struggles to keep opponents out of deep post position. As a result opposing centers blistered him in both stops, registering a 21.2 PER in Denver and a 21.8 mark in Washington, according to 82games.com.

Additionally, McGee's rebounding stats are a lie: For a good rebounder, he has a massively negative impact on his team's overall rebound rate. Denver rebounded just 68.4 percent of opponent misses with him on the court, compared to 72.4 percent with him off it; similarly, Washington's rate dipped by 5.4 percent with McGee on the floor. That's a pretty massive difference considering 6.9 percentage points separated first from worst last season. Again, his mental game is the cause: McGee doesn't block his man out and often leaves the board exposed to go for a block he has little chance of getting.

See what I mean Mags ...
 
It is a player option

I am confused, Isn't that what i said? The player has the power to opt in or opt out. He is due 16 million if he does not opt out. Who is going to pay him more? So he will not opt out.. Correct?
 
I am confused, Isn't that what i said? The player has the power to opt in or opt out. He is due 16 million if he does not opt out. Who is going to pay him more?

I was agreeing with you. I didn't know if you were guessing or not because you said you thought so too
 
See what I mean Mags ...

I have always seen what you mean Nik. I never said what you or the others say about McGee as being some mistake. I actually understand that; which is why I think getting him is actually realistic.

But, we already face that with a player we already have on our roster. Hickson is just like that; but instead of doing it for blocks, he does it for rebounds.

If I had a choice between having a McGee altering most the shots at the rim or rebounding a little more; I would choose altering shots. And, I think obtaining McGee could actually have us in good position to retain Hickson too.
 
There is no way in hell that Iggs opts out of his contract. He won't get that type of money elsewhere.

And no one thought Richard Jefferson would opt out of his deal, only to have the smartest franchise in the business extend him. There are a ton of teams with cap room with very few stars to spend it on.

1 yr at 16M or 4 yrs at 48M?

I am guessing he goes with the guaranteed money.
 
And no one thought Richard Jefferson would opt out of his deal, only to have the smartest franchise in the business extend him. There are a ton of teams with cap room with very few stars to spend it on.

1 yr at 16M or 4 yrs at 48M?

I am guessing he goes with the guaranteed money.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...-opts-out-of-his-contract-mind?urn=nba,252707

Richard Jefferson? It's hardly the same story.
Jefferson's been trending downward for two years now, seen as an albatross in both New Jersey, Milwaukee, and San Antonio for three consecutive springs. New Jersey and Milwaukee had to pay to dump Jefferson when they traded the former All-Star, taking back cheaper contracts but also players that were pennies on the dollar in terms of talent compared to the talent usually associated with the size of Jefferson's contracts.

also, this is a factor too. No player will see 16 mil+ contracts with the new collective bargaining agreements in place.

League-wide sentiment, even in this open market with scads of teams with cap space, is that Jefferson is mid-level player at best, and I have a problem with even going that far. I honestly think Jefferson might end up getting a three-year deal worth around 18 million dollars, but as stated above, he could probably have gotten that next year, after taking in his final big season with San Antonio (and another team, as his expiring contract would probably have been shipped elsewhere). So that's $33 million (combined, between the two deals) by passing on the early termination, or $18 million signed this year after opting out.
Doesn't sound like a "$25 million extension" to me.

Two distinct elements are into play. The first allows for the thought that Jefferson's time in San Antonio was so ceaselessly untenable, that he had to get away, no matter the cost.

Or - and it should be pointed out that it is quite likely that both these elements are running concurrently - Jefferson is still overrating his own talents, making rash decisions, and acting on bad advice. Or no advice at all, which can still be pretty bad advice.

For whatever reason, unless there's some boffo deal that he has lined up that we know nothing about, this is a bad, move. Jefferson was going to get a contract no matter how poorly he played next summer, and he may have just cost himself a significant amount of money.
 
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And no one thought Richard Jefferson would opt out of his deal, only to have the smartest franchise in the business extend him. There are a ton of teams with cap room with very few stars to spend it on.

1 yr at 16M or 4 yrs at 48M?

I am guessing he goes with the guaranteed money.

4 years at 12 million is pretty good. Or he could take the for sure thing of 16 million next year and only need a 3 year contract of 8 million to reach that 48 million mark.

I get your point. It could happen. But it is a long ways from 100 % like you suggested. More like 10 % IMO.
 
DEN would be thrilled if he opted out. Doubt he helps them out.

The other factor is McGee's contract over 3 more years after this one. They may get lucky and Iggs opts out; but they will be in luxury cap in the next years as well. If they don't see significant improvement this season; they may want to put the eggs in another basket, IMO.
 
Say that he does opt in, thinking he is not worth anywhere near the 16M he is due for only one year. Teams like Minnesota will be lined up with cap space to take that contract for only one year.
 
Say that he does opt in, thinking he is not worth anywhere near the 16M he is due for only one year. Teams like Minnesota will be lined up with cap space to take that contract for only one year.

You used Richard Jefferson as an example; but you didn't know all the reasons why he opted out. In that article, he was being hammered by the local media, coaching staff and fan base. He needed to get out of there. In Denver, Karl actually likes him, the fans like him and the media isn't harping on him.

I think he would easily be able to get the 16 million this season and find another team to give him a multi-year contract for 8-9 mil per. That's his true value. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Denver be the team to resign him.

And if he does "opt in"; denver will be paying a huge premium for his services. And my deal of shedding massive salary is even more valid.
 
Say that he does opt in, thinking he is not worth anywhere near the 16M he is due for only one year. Teams like Minnesota will be lined up with cap space to take that contract for only one year.


Wow Minnesota will have a lot of cap space. It will be interesting to see how much they are willing to spend to keep Pekovic?
 
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In terms of a player opting out for their benefit; Gerlad Wallace did a fine job. But he was able to get a multi-year contract close to the same "per year" pay as his opt out contract. In that regard, it was a good choice. But... I suspect he was already told that contract will be waiting for him. He almost immediately resigned with New Jersey.
 
You used Richard Jefferson as an example; but you didn't know all the reasons why he opted out. In that article, he was being hammered by the local media, coaching staff and fan base. He needed to get out of there. In Denver, Karl actually likes him, the fans like him and the media isn't harping on him.

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I used Richard Jefferson as an example because it is the exact same situation. He was not worth what the last year of his contract was going to pay him. However, he agreed to a longer deal with a cap friendly number to keep SA under the tax while getting more long term money. If his true value is 8-9M, opting out of a one year deal at 16 for a 4 yr 48M makes perfect sense for both parties.
 
I used Richard Jefferson as an example because it is the exact same situation. He was not worth what the last year of his contract was going to pay him. However, he agreed to a longer deal with a cap friendly number to keep SA under the tax while getting more long term money. If his true value is 8-9M, opting out of a one year deal at 16 for a 4 yr 48M makes perfect sense for both parties.

I don't think it makes sense for Iggy when he can get the 16 MIL for 1 year and then get the 8 or 9 deal for 3 years or so after that. It really only makes sense for Iggy if he wants to stay in DEN long-term and help them out. Is that his mindset? I don't know.
 
Wow Minnesota will have a lot of cap space. It will be interesting to see how much they have to spend to keep Pekovic?

Remember how Nic did not count against our cap till we matched his offer sheet? The same will be in effect for Pek. Roy comes off their books and have pieces to send back to Denver. They would not absorb the entire 16M without salary going back or to a third team.
 
I don't think it makes sense for Iggy when he can get the 16 MIL for 1 year and then get the 8 or 9 deal for 3 years or so after that. It really only makes sense for Iggy if he wants to stay in DEN long-term and help them out. Is that his mindset? I don't know.

Why risk waiting when you can essentially sign that 3 yr deal now?

Denver ends up paying more, but does not have to maneuver to avoid the tax.
 
I used Richard Jefferson as an example because it is the exact same situation. He was not worth what the last year of his contract was going to pay him. However, he agreed to a longer deal with a cap friendly number to keep SA under the tax while getting more long term money. If his true value is 8-9M, opting out of a one year deal at 16 for a 4 yr 48M makes perfect sense for both parties.

But in your sceanrio, with accepting a reduced "multi-year" contract; still puts them close to luxury tax. It really doesn't help Denver in this regard. It would be only if Iggs opts out and they just let him go.
 
Remember how Nic did not count against our cap till we matched his offer sheet? The same will be in effect for Pek. Roy comes off their books and have pieces to send back to Denver. They would not absorb the entire 16M without salary going back or to a third team.

I edited my post above. I meant to say how much will they be willing to spend on Pekovic. Not how much they will have. They obviously have plenty to spare, but I wonder what Khan's fantasy plan is.
 

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