We should get Richard Hamilton from the...

[Ghost Pepper]

Pistons? He's a leader, vet, and will be clutch in the end of the game. Oh yeah and he's not happy having to split minutes with AI in Detroit. He'd be a great pickup for us!

Thoughts?

 

[MARIS61]

None.

Bake it!

 

[B-Roy]

He's a SG....

 

[Minstrel]

A shooting guard with virtually no passing skill? I can't think of anything Portland needs less, other than maybe a backup power forward who doesn't play defense.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I can't think of anything Portland needs less, other than maybe a backup power forward who doesn't play defense.

Yeah, we have two of those already.

While I think a backourt of Roy/Hamilton would be better while Blake's out than Roy/Sergio and Roy Bayless, it's a long term commitment ($10.6 million this year and $11.4 million next) to a short term problem - and it would require using Raef's expiring contract to get him and kill any free agent hopes this summer. Way too high a price for a guy who doesn't really address a long term positional need.

The only way I'd trade for Rip is if it was part of a deal that also included Prince.

On a side note: anyone know when Rudy will be back? A Roy/Rudy backcourt would be far better than what we had tonight after Blake went down.

BNM

 

[alex42083]

We don't need Rip, but it would be amusing to see him and Rudy running off screens together on each side of the court.

 

[BatumKaboom]

Not enough good salary matches for our teams. And he is a SG.

 

[craigehlo]

I'd only want Rip if we got wind that he Jazz were going to acquire him. I'd try to make deal for him just to block it. If the Jazz ever figure out that their weakness is SG, they would be the team to beat in the NW Division. He would do for them what Billups did for the Nuggs.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This teams needs nothing. It has a great coach with an incredible offensive mond and a great defensive teacher. We have a starting PG who can get to the rim and finish and is a really good defender. We have a defensive minded SF with all kinds of experience. We have a banger coming in off the bench at the 4.

Oh wait that's not us at all.


I don't care, let it burn to a crisp.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

I for one think Roy is injury prone. We better really think of how to keep Rudy or look at a great #2 backup.

 

[hasoos]

A shooting guard with virtually no passing skill? I can't think of anything Portland needs less, other than maybe a backup power forward who doesn't play defense.

You left out one critical fact. He is more consistent than any of our guards besides Roy, by far. He is a machine. Secondly, the job of the SG isn't to pass. The job of the SG is to score. He could easily play besides Roy or any other PG on the team.

Lastly, A lot of Rudy's game is like his, but Rudy isn't shooting as good. The good part would be your second unit plays just like your first unit, so there would be no disparity in play methods between units.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Of course, the BEST reason to get Richard Hamilton is so we can all call him:

Rip City Rip!

How cool would that be? It's like it was meant to be. With apologies to Geroge McFly, it is his density!

BNM

 

[BrianFromWA]

Of course, the BEST reason to get Richard Hamilton is so we can all call him:

Rip City Rip!

How cool would that be? It's like it was meant to be. With apologies to Geroge McFly, it is his density!

BNM

You should be apologizing to Darth Vader...you're just quoting George messin' with Darth's quote!

 

[Minstrel]

You left out one critical fact. He is more consistent than any of our guards besides Roy, by far. He is a machine. Secondly, the job of the SG isn't to pass. The job of the SG is to score. He could easily play besides Roy or any other PG on the team.

He may be consistent, but he's not much better than Rudy, if at all. And he's much worse than Roy. So being the second/third string shooting guard isn't that great a use for a player making what he does.

The reason I brought up passing skill is because Roy is not a point guard. Yes, he is the one who controls the offense, but he's not a true point guard and, in my opinion, needs another passer alongside him to share some of the play-making duties. Installing Roy at point guard and Hamilton at shooting guard would create two problems: sub-standard distribution on offense and making every opposing point guard a prime Steve Nash as neither player can adequately defend point guards.

 

[RR7]

Pistons? He's a leader, vet, and will be clutch in the end of the game. Oh yeah and he's not happy having to split minutes with AI in Detroit. He'd be a great pickup for us!

Thoughts?

If he's not happy splitting time with AI, how's he going to feel here?

 

[hasoos]

If he's not happy splitting time with AI, how's he going to feel here?

He would not be splitting minutes here. Any player with a record of consistency on the floor like Hamilton would get all the minutes he wanted on this club.

 

[LameR]

I don't think it'd be a bad move. I don't know what realistically we could get better than him in free agency this summer with RLEC anyway. And like mentioned by one of the other posters, his consistency and veteran presence could help us out a lot. Also, I would absolutely love to see defenses try to defend him and Rudy on offense. I laugh every time I see Rudy working his butt off because it must just suck to be that defender, but to have Rudy and Rip doing it? Oh man..

 

[Master Shake]

He's going to Toronto

/idea killed.

 

[Minstrel]

He's going to Toronto

Poor guy. What did he do wrong?

 

[Natebishop3]

Poor guy. What did he do wrong?

He's relegated to buying Bosh's soul glo for the rest of his career.

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[hasoos]

He may be consistent, but he's not much better than Rudy, if at all. And he's much worse than Roy. So being the second/third string shooting guard isn't that great a use for a player making what he does.

The reason I brought up passing skill is because Roy is not a point guard. Yes, he is the one who controls the offense, but he's not a true point guard and, in my opinion, needs another passer alongside him to share some of the play-making duties. Installing Roy at point guard and Hamilton at shooting guard would create two problems: sub-standard distribution on offense and making every opposing point guard a prime Steve Nash as neither player can adequately defend point guards.

Ha ha ha ha ha! Not much better than Rudy! Wooooweee that was a good one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hamilton_(basketball)

 

[Minstrel]

Ha ha ha ha ha! Not much better than Rudy! Wooooweee that was a good one.

Richard Hamilton PER, 2008-09: 15.2 (16.9 career)
Rudy Fernandez PER, 2008-09: 16.3

And in terms of scoring efficiency:

Richard Hamilton: .532 TS% (.529 career)
Rudy Fernandez: .590 TS%

As far as non-numeric appraisal, Hamilton's defense might be slightly better but not that much better. He may have been part of a great defensive team, but he's not a great defender. Fernandez definitely appears to be a much, much better passer.

I don't see much evidence that Hamilton is a significantly better player.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

I'd say it's a different kind of scoring that may or may not open the paint for LA and ODEN.

 

[hasoos]

Richard Hamilton PER, 2008-09: 15.2 (16.9 career)
Rudy Fernandez PER, 2008-09: 16.3

And in terms of scoring efficiency:

Richard Hamilton: .532 TS% (.529 career)
Rudy Fernandez: .590 TS%

As far as non-numeric appraisal, Hamilton's defense might be slightly better but not that much better. He may have been part of a great defensive team, but he's not a great defender. Fernandez definitely appears to be a much, much better passer.

I don't see much evidence that Hamilton is a significantly better player.

Richard Hamilton All Star appearances: 3.
NCAA championships: 1
NBA Championships: 1
NBA Finals appearances: 2
Detroit Pistons all time leading scorer in the playoffs ahead of Isiah Thomas.

What has Rudy won? Oh that's right. Nothing. There is more to a player than PERS. It's called winning games.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

I also think Rip could feed Oden and make him a better player.

 

[Minstrel]

What has Rudy won? Oh that's right. Nothing.

So you judge players on the quality of their teammates? If Richard Hamilton had played for Arizona State and then the Bobcats, you'd think he was a worse player?

Then we have a pretty fundamental difference in terms of how we evaluate players. I don't evaluate players based on what their team won (which is dependent on quality of teammates), I evaluate players based on what they do to help their team win. I don't think Hamilton is a better scorer or rebounder than Fernandez. He's possibly a slightly better defender and a worse passer. Thus, I don't think he does more to help a team win. U Conn and the Pistons would have been just as well off with Fernandez in his place.

The numbers of their performances simply back up my observations. They're not the reason to play the games.

 

[J_Ray]

I'd only want Rip if we got wind that he Jazz were going to acquire him. I'd try to make deal for him just to block it. If the Jazz ever figure out that their weakness is SG, they would be the team to beat in the NW Division. He would do for them what Billups did for the Nuggs.

Isn't Utah already the team to beat when they're actually healthy? Deron/Memo/Boozer have not played a single game together yet this year.....but I agree Rip would make them pretty studly, he's the perfect SG for their system.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

That's a stretch Minstrel! Come on Hamilton was a huge part of Detroits championship. He scored and was clutch in the finals. To say Rudy is on the same level as Hamilton I don't think is accurate. Rudy may be as good one day but he'll have to be a leader too and Hamilton is one for sure.

 

[Minstrel]

That's a stretch Minstrel! Come on Hamilton was a huge part of Detroits championship.

He was a solid part of a championship team, I agree. The fact that he was part of a championship team doesn't make him a better player. He's still the sum of his abilities. If you put stock in clutch and leadership, and consider Rudy deficient in those things, I guess that'll effect your appraisal. I think those concepts are pretty overrated in evaluations.

 

[hasoos]

He was a solid part of a championship team, I agree. The fact that he was part of a championship team doesn't make him a better player. He's still the sum of his abilities. If you put stock in clutch and leadership, and consider Rudy deficient in those things, I guess that'll effect your appraisal. I think those concepts are pretty overrated in evaluations.

Ok so exactly where in clutch and leadership has Rudy exceed Hamilton? Are you completely high out of your gord? That is the definition of Hamiltons career. Rudy has not even been clutch in the playoffs once yet, let alone the NBA finals. Secondly, what leadership is Rudy providing here? I haven't seen jack shit from leadership from him.