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I wasn't sure about Webster but after he got hurt and seeing how Outlaw has played as a starter plus how Webster played the one preseason game with Rudy I think this is a good move by the Blazers. I think now for sure he is our best SF and should be our starter unless we can trade for someone better at the deadline.
 
I don't understand how people can say that Travis is not a good fit on the team? His personality alone makes him a great fit.
 
I don't understand how people can say that Travis is not a good fit on the team? His personality alone makes him a great fit.

No doubt. He's pretty much a friend to everyone on that team.

I'll never understand the Outlaw hate. He is paid to be a scorer and to give a chance at offense when things are stagnant. It's a bit like Jack. He's grilled all of last year, yet now everyone laments that the team doesn't have a PG who can attack the rim. Yes, I know about Bayless, but right now, Jack is a better NBA player.
 
i love this deal, but it is about what i expected as far as salary goes. now his cap hold is gone, and he also becomes a nice trading chip. hopefully we can ink frye to a similar deal before midnight.
 
So does this mean Webster is more valuable than Outlaw . . . Outlaw 4 mil/yr; Webster 5 mil/yr.

In today's age of the NBA, it is not just who you sign but for how much. Having a talented player with a decent contract is big in many ways including the salary cap and trade possiblities.

Another good move by the Blazers, IMO.

Also, does anyone know it the contract includes any payer or team options?
 
So does this mean Webster is more valuable than Outlaw . . . Outlaw 4 mil/yr; Webster 5 mil/yr.

In today's age of the NBA, it is not just who you sign but for how much. Having a talented player with a decent contract is big in many ways including the salary cap and trade possiblities.

Another good move by the Blazers, IMO.

Also, does anyone know it the contract includes any payer or team options?

The last year in Webster contract is a team option.
 
I really think he owes it to us for taking this long to start developing. It will pay dividends. This is GREAT GREAT news. No cap hold, locked him up now....we're good.

I agree with you that this is GREAT GREAT news. But you have long expected WAY too much out of Martell Webster considering that this should be his SR year of college. It's a serious fault of yours and your notion that Martell owes Portland anything for being patient goes hand in hand with that fault. Any team with a clue would've been patient. Just as any fan with a clue would've.
 
I agree with you that this is GREAT GREAT news. But you have long expected WAY too much out of Martell Webster considering that this should be his SR year of college. It's a serious fault of yours and your notion that Martell owes Portland anything for being patient goes hand in hand with that fault. Any team with a clue would've been patient. Just as any fan with a clue would've.

I'm happy with Websters development. However, we should be given the chance to realize his potential, since the notion of "him owing us" for letting him develop his game. If he were to suddenly demand a huge salary/extension based on the blazers taking the time to devleop him or to lose him for another team when we invested a pretty high draft pick to get him, that would have been inappropriate.
 
It's a good value signing. Martell was a solid, if unspectacular starter last season. While he didn't "explode", his per 36 numbers were up in almost all areas, and his FG% and 3FP% were both up - and he did this against other teams' starting small forwards. He's still only 21 and still has some "upside" - as shown in the brief flashes of incredible play he exhibited at times last season (that 24-point 3rd quarter against Utah was just flat out awesome). He looked great in that one preseason game, worked hard in the off season and came into camp in great shape.

We don't need a superstar at every position, and if Martell can be a solid, complimentary player at the starting small forward position, I think he's a good fit long term. With Oden in the low post, he should get plenty of open looks from the perimeter. He has that really sweet looking jumper, and when he shoots it with confidence, it goes in. He was still inconsistent last season, but again, he's still only 21. He has the mechanics on his shot down and the more he plays the more his confidence will grow. This contract extension by the Blazers gives him some security and should remove any doubts he may have about the team's commitment to him.

I hate to go all pop psychologist here, but given Martell's extremely rough childhood, I can't help but think some of his wavering self-confidence has to do with abandonment issues. By stepping up and signing him to an extension, KP has given him the reassurance that the team won't abandon him - of course, we could still trade him, but I don't even want to go there. I do think KP sees him as a long term part of this team - either as as starter, or a long range threat off the bench to spread the defense (a younger, more athletic James Jones).

BNM
 
I'm happy with Websters development. However, we should be given the chance to realize his potential, since the notion of "him owing us" for letting him develop his game. If he were to suddenly demand a huge salary/extension based on the blazers taking the time to devleop him or to lose him for another team when we invested a pretty high draft pick to get him, that would have been inappropriate.

I don't know if I would call it inappropriate as it's the nature of the business to seek out the highest bidder. With that said, Martell showed a great amount of loyalty in signing this contract because I strongly believe that he will end up being a bargain as early as this year and he knows that in signing this contract it helps the team in the long run. I was a big fan of his before this signing, now I am in love.
 
I really think he owes it to us for taking this long to start developing. It will pay dividends. This is GREAT GREAT news. No cap hold, locked him up now....we're good.

I've got no problems with Martell's development. People that do seem to forget he's still only 21. He showed progress last year. His only problems seem to be consistency, self-confidence and the fact that he's not Chris Paul. The first two are a function of his youth. He will get better at both. The latter is due entirely to unrealistc expectations from people who somehow want to blame Martell for us passing on Chris Paul (and Deron Williams). He's not Chris Paul and he'll never be Chris Paul, but that doesn't mean he won't develop into a very good NBA player and be a significant part of this team, for many, many years.

BNM
 
Basically a million/year more than Outlaw's contract. Jame Jones recently signed for $23 mil over 5 years.

At Webster's current production, he's overpaid. But if you figure he's still got a lot of upside to him, he's a decent value. Sounds pretty reasonable.

BNM's point about the Blazers giving him some security seems pretty valid, too. No matter how nervous or screwed up he gets, he knows he and his family is set for life financially.
 
I don't know if I would call it inappropriate as it's the nature of the business to seek out the highest bidder. With that said, Martell showed a great amount of loyalty in signing this contract because I strongly believe that he will end up being a bargain as early as this year and he knows that in signing this contract it helps the team in the long run. I was a big fan of his before this signing, now I am in love.

Martell's probably my favorite on the team for some reason. Glad he re-upped. I think he wants to win rings in Portland first and foremost, as do most of these guys...not just win the rings, but I truly believe the team wants to bring back Blazermania.
 
I've got no problems with Martell's development. People that do seem to forget he's still only 21. He showed progress last year. His only problems seem to be consistency, self-confidence and the fact that he's not Chris Paul. The first two are a function of his youth. He will get better at both. The latter is due entirely to unrealistc expectations from people who somehow want to blame Martell for us passing on Chris Paul (and Deron Williams). He's not Chris Paul and he'll never be Chris Paul, but that doesn't mean he won't develop into a very good NBA player and be a significant part of this team, for many, many years.

BNM

I to am fine with his development. I remember last season, there were people on http://www.********.com who were saying things like Martell will never improve, that 3-point shooters never get better, etc...all hogwash.
 
Basically a million/year more than Outlaw's contract. James Jones recently signed for $23 mil over 5 years.

Good point there, Martell <<<<<<<<< James Jones

JJ got paid, Martell got the shaft. Thanks Martell, i love ya buddy!
 
Good point there, Martell <<<<<<<<< James Jones

JJ got paid, Martell got the shaft. Thanks Martell, i love ya buddy!
I am confused. Do you think the deal is good or bad for the Blazers? I think it is definitely reasonable and gives us more leverage in the offseason due to Webster's cap hold situation.
 
So does this mean Webster is more valuable than Outlaw . . . Outlaw 4 mil/yr; Webster 5 mil/yr.
Travis signed his deal 2 offseasons ago and I think it's commonly felt that last year was his best year by far...or ... if he were negotiating today he'd probably be worth more then he was. Of course if Martell didn't have a broken foot he might not have resigned at all.

So to answer your question, no... their current contracts do not necessarily reflect their value to the Blazers and certainly not the league. I'm sure that if they were both on the trade block that different teams would place different values on both.

STOMP
 
I'm not as enthused about this deal as most. I don't feel that Webster has materially improved, when accounting for pace and such. Thus, I don't project the upside for him that many others here do.

That said, the deal is sane, Webster is very young...so if I am wrong (always a distinct possibility) and Webster has a big breakout ahead of him, then the deal could end up a great one. And even if I am right, it's not a killing deal. $5 million / year for a decent reserve isn't bad.

Overall, I like the move. There's a reward possibility and it's low risk. Plus, it's decisive, and doesn't leave the team in a tough position next off-season, when he'll have a big caphold and the team would have to decide what to do with him while time ticked off the free agent signing clock.
 
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Webster's cap hold was going to be near $15 million dollars and was going to force us to make a quick decision with Webster having all the leverage. Now, Webster has security while he allows Portland maximum flexibility. The ironic thing is that Webster signing early allows us the flexibility to go after a SF to replace him in the starting lineup. Or maybe this means we're more likely to go after a PG.

Either way, Webster deserves and extra ovation tonight for this!

Good points and this is GREAT news, and I keep thinking Travis has an option yr next yr and I wonder what we do with him?
 
Masbee approves of this contract extension.

KP rocks again.

3 years guaranteed at $5mil per.

4th year Team option. Excellent for the team.

$5 mil per is a bargain price for a starter.

Martell has been a below average starter, and I was worried he would demand "starters money" just because he has started so many games.

If Martell can improve his game and develop consistency such that he locks down the starters spot, his deal will become a great bargain.

If we get a big upgrade the the SF spot, and Martell goes to the bench, $5mil isn't a bargain, but is still a fair price for a rotation player.

The contract is reasonable enough that moving Webster will be easy anytime the team wants. Got rid of the cap hold problem. Still on track for cap room next summer. Maintain flexibility. Good job.
 
I'm not as enthused about this deal as most. I don't feel that Webster has materially improved, when accounting for pace and such. Thus, I don't project the upside for him that many others here do.

I agree that he is not worth that amount right now, but he is young and the deal is reasonable enough that thanks to his age - he will not be hard to trade if it comes to that.

Good for Martell and I hope he proves to be the same kind of bargain that Travis's 4/mil per year proved to be.
 
Travis signed his deal 2 offseasons ago and I think it's commonly felt that last year was his best year by far...or ... if he were negotiating today he'd probably be worth more then he was.

Actually, Travis signed his extension in July 2007. But, your point is valid. Martell has shown MUCH more than Travis did at a similar point in their respective careers. Travis didn't even start to look like a half-way decent NBA player until near the end of his 4th season in the league. Martell was a starter by the beginning of his 3rd season.

BNM
 
Do you suppose KP got on the phone with Webster's agent as soon as Martell's injury was discovered? This is a good deal and potentially a great deal if Webster breaks out.
 
Actually, Travis signed his extension in July 2007. But, your point is valid. Martell has shown MUCH more than Travis did at a similar point in their respective careers. Travis didn't even start to look like a half-way decent NBA player until near the end of his 4th season in the league. Martell was a starter by the beginning of his 3rd season.
July 2007 was two off seasons ago... right???

STOMP
 
Outstanding! Maybe a little high for his current production, but if he breaks out, $5M will be a steal. Cap flexibility. Security for Webs....what's not to like?
 
No doubt. He's pretty much a friend to everyone on that team.

I'll never understand the Outlaw hate. He is paid to be a scorer and to give a chance at offense when things are stagnant. It's a bit like Jack. He's grilled all of last year, yet now everyone laments that the team doesn't have a PG who can attack the rim. Yes, I know about Bayless, but right now, Jack is a better NBA player.

He won so many games for us last season. When everyone is scared, he doesn't mind taking and making the big shots down the stretch. I don't understand the hate at all.
 
Great deal for the Blazers.

I like this because Martell isn't forced to come back from the injury early to try to prove anything before the end of the season.
 
Martell has shown MUCH more than Travis did at a similar point in their respective careers.

I do not know where anyone gets this idea, I really do not. Outlaw has never, in his entire career, had a PER for the year lower than Martell's best year. In his worst year (his 3rd), he had a PER of 12.9 compared to Webster's best year (his 3rd) where he got 12.0

Webster is a better man defender - Travis is a better help defender.

Got nothing against Webster - but the Trout under-appreciation on these boards is just mind boggling...
 
So does this mean Webster is more valuable than Outlaw . . . Outlaw 4 mil/yr; Webster 5 mil/yr.

In today's age of the NBA, it is not just who you sign but for how much. Having a talented player with a decent contract is big in many ways including the salary cap and trade possiblities.

Another good move by the Blazers, IMO.

Also, does anyone know it the contract includes any payer or team options?

No, what it really means is Websters agent is better than Travis agent. :pimp:
 

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