Webster Says He'll Be Taking A Break In The Future (Columbian)

[ABM]

So much for the adage which suggests that which doesn't kill you only serves to make you stronger.

Interesting article From The Columbian:

PORTLAND — Martell Webster is still not sure when he will play this season. But the Portland Trail Blazers forward has learned one important lesson from his lengthy time off: Give himself a break.

Webster said his failure in that area is a big reason why he has been sidelined for all but five minutes this season because of a stress fracture in his left foot.

He started his workouts early last season and continued them throughout the summer, stressing his body to the point that something was bound to break down, Webster said. The foot finally did in the season's first preseason game.

"You can't do it the whole summer," said Webster. "That's just been me. That's my makeup. I can still have the same look, I just have to change it up and decide when's a smart time to do it."...............

Also, some good stuff on Joel...

Joel Przybilla has not obsessed about playing a full season the way he did last year. But he is thinking about it, and is anxious after coming so close to his goal last year.....

...."I'm so close, and to tell you the truth, it does (mean something) because I've never done it before. And I came so close last year, and that's all I thought about pretty much all summer was the fact that, playing 82 games, I came so close...."

 

[Further]

NOw Joel will have to go from never playing 82 before to hopefully many more as we go deep into the playoffs.

 

[Sinobas]

Sometimes I wonder if the trainers are doing a good enough job looking out for these guys. The body does need rest, proper nutrition, and high quality vitamin supplements.

 

[hasoos]

Sometimes I wonder if the trainers are doing a good enough job looking out for these guys. The body does need rest, proper nutrition, and high quality vitamin supplements.

You know how it is. Trainers don't hear about shit happening until it's too late.

 

[ABM]

Sometimes I wonder if the trainers are doing a good enough job looking out for these guys. The body does need rest, proper nutrition, and high quality vitamin supplements.

I'm reading what you say, then look at your avatar and say to myself, 'Man, something just doesn't add up here.'

 

[Shooter]

The body does need rest, proper nutrition, and high quality vitamin supplements.

Not necessarily. A recent major study concluded that taking vitamins doesn't make a bit of difference.

 

[Sinobas]

Not necessarily. A recent major study concluded that taking vitamins doesn't make a bit of difference.

What study? Was it for a particular vitamin supplement and a particular effect? Because no one can argue that the body needs vitamins. There are certain vitamins that the body absolutely needs to function normally, and when you are deficient, bad things happen.

The CDC did large study a few years ago and said that because of our vast gap between what we are getting in food, and our bodies vitamin requirements, supplementation was necessary.

The problem is, that the majority of vitamins you get are not manufactured correctly, so your body can barely absorb any of it. A high quality vitamin supplement costs about $100 a bottle.

 

[Draco]

I've read from a few sources that vitamin supplements usually cause more harm than good.

Most people eat this stuff called food and its already got the necessary vitamins in it.

 

[Masbee]

Not necessarily. A recent major study concluded that taking vitamins doesn't make a bit of difference.

That's right. When you eat what the average American eats - no pill or potion yet invented will make up for the lack of vitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants, micronutrients, fiber, etc. That is akin to using a garden hose on an inferno.

If you did a study to test the effectiveness of asprin on pain, gave it to people who had major wounds, and discovered it did not help their pain, would you also conclude that asprin "does not make a bit of difference"? Or, would you realize that context matters greatly.

Sinobas said "high quality".

That "study" included people who took One A Day and other similar garbage product. And there is the effect that occurs when people who take pills don't eat as well as they would without them. Safety measures often increase the amount of risky behavior. They put on their seatbelt pill and skip eating the green salad.

Because of the way food is grown, produced and transported, which reduces consumption of fully ripe produce, lack of outdoor exposure, increased daily stress and other factors of modern life, proper supplementation is essential to optimum health.

The problem is, scientists know some things but don't know everything about required for optimum health. So, an expert can tell you what supplements you should be taking. But, they don't yet know everything you should be taking that would substitue for quality food - and probably won't for a very long time.

That is the key takeaway point - supplements - despite being essential for most people today - are not a substitute for a poor diet. That is why they are "supplements". If you eat a poor diet, no amount or type of pills or potions will make up for that. High quality, targeted supplements fill in the nutrition gaps of those that eat a healthy diet.

 

[tlongII]

That's right. When you eat what the average American eats - no pill or potion yet invented will make up for the lack of vitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants, micronutrients, fiber, etc. That is akin to using a garden hose on an inferno.

If you did a study to test the effectiveness of asprin on pain, gave it to people who had major wounds, and discovered it did not help their pain, would you also conclude that asprin "does not make a bit of difference"? Or, would you realize that context matters greatly.

Sinobas said "high quality".

That "study" included people who took One A Day and other similar garbage product. And there is the effect that occurs when people who take pills don't eat as well as they would without them. Safety measures often increase the amount of risky behavior. They put on their seatbelt pill and skip eating the green salad.

Because of the way food is grown, produced and transported, which reduces consumption of fully ripe produce, lack of outdoor exposure, increased daily stress and other factors of modern life, proper supplementation is essential to optimum health.

The problem is, scientists know some things but don't know everything about required for optimum health. So, an expert can tell you what supplements you should be taking. But, they don't yet know everything you should be taking that would substitue for quality food - and probably won't for a very long time.

That is the key takeaway point - supplements - despite being essential for most people today - are not a substitute for a poor diet. That is why they are "supplements". If you eat a poor diet, no amount or type of pills or potions will make up for that. High quality, targeted supplements fill in the nutrition gaps of those that eat a healthy diet.

Actually that is not what I've read. My understanding is that these supplements provide little or no benefit to an individual eating a healthy diet.

 

[ABM]

Actually that is not what I've read. My understanding is that these supplements provide little or no benefit to an individual eating a healthy diet.

It's all about the shoes, t. It's the shoes.

 

[Sinobas]

Actually that is not what I've read. My understanding is that these supplements provide little or no benefit to an individual eating a healthy diet.

The statement you just made is similar to what shooter said, and that is what Masbee and I were responding to, so you're starting a circular discussion.

The National Academy of Science did a large scale study and determined that even if you eat a very healthy vitamin rich diet (which most Americans do not), you don't get what you need. And they were probably using rather conservative "recommended daily allowances".

First of all, all the processed food you buy in boxes and in the frozen food aisle is junk. Secondly, the nutritional quality of our food supply has been degraded dramatically. You'd have to eat 4 carrots today to get the same magnesium as 1 carrot 50 years ago for example. You'd have to eat 5 apples to get the same nutrition you get on 1 apple 50 years ago. Eating Organic foods helps this somewhat though.

Recognize that our bodies are comprised of billions of cells, which are little biological machines. They need the right nutrients and vitamins to operate, so any source that tells you vitamins don't matter just doesn't know shit. Vitamins are substances we've identified as being critical to supporting life. The sad fact is, we could heal the sick a lot better by getting them excercise, and nutrients their body needs rather than toxic drugs.

Disease arises when cells do not getting enough of what they need, or getting too much of something, particularly toxins in our food and environment which interfere with the metabolic processes of our cells. You wouldn't pour canola oil into your car engine, or drive it around with only a pint of oil, yet people do things like this with their bodies all the time, and instead of paying to maintain it, we're going to pay the mechanic thousands of dollars to rebuild the engine.

 

[tlongII]

The statement you just made is similar to what shooter said, and that is what Masbee and I were responding to, so you're starting a circular discussion.

The National Academy of Science did a large scale study and determined that even if you eat a very healthy vitamin rich diet (which most Americans do not), you don't get what you need. And they were probably using rather conservative "recommended daily allowances".

First of all, all the processed food you buy in boxes and in the frozen food aisle is junk. Secondly, the nutritional quality of our food supply has been degraded dramatically. You'd have to eat 4 carrots today to get the same magnesium as 1 carrot 50 years ago for example. You'd have to eat 5 apples to get the same nutrition you get on 1 apple 50 years ago. Eating Organic foods helps this somewhat though.

Recognize that our bodies are comprised of billions of cells, which are little biological machines. They need the right nutrients and vitamins to operate, so any source that tells you vitamins don't matter just doesn't know shit. Vitamins are substances we've identified as being critical to supporting life. The sad fact is, we could heal the sick a lot better by getting them excercise, and nutrients their body needs rather than toxic drugs.

Disease arises when cells do not getting enough of what they need, or getting too much of something, particularly toxins in our food and environment which interfere with the metabolic processes of our cells. You wouldn't pour canola oil into your car engine, or drive it around with only a pint of oil, yet people do things like this with their bodies all the time, and instead of paying to maintain it, we're going to pay the mechanic thousands of dollars to rebuild the engine.

Well I'm going to circle this back around again...

The following article focuses on children and teens...

http://www.healthnews.com/natural-h...s-unnecessary-most-healthy-children-2560.html

Most healthy, active kids get all the nutrients they need by eating a varied diet including whole grains, fresh fruits and vegetables, dairy products, lean meats, fish and poultry, but it’s very common for parents to also give them vitamin and mineral supplements “just to make sure.” This practice is not only medically unnecessary, but may cause problems in children if they do not need them.

 

[Sinobas]

Hmm, I wonder who that lady is, Madeline Ellis. First of all, it says that "Most healthy, active kids get all the nutrients they need by eating a varied diet including whole grains, fresh fruits and vegetables, dairy products, lean meats, fish and poultry". That's statement is based on the assumption that a "healthy active" kid is already getting what they need, but the fact is, the vast majority of children are NOT eating healthy diets.

It's sorta like trying to make the argument that it's not necessary to do any routine maintainence on your car, because cars that are in great shape are not in need of repair. It's a weird article.

I'd further contest her point that kids get what they need by eating a balanced diet(even though that's a great start). That sounds like an uneducated opinion rather than a point that's based on any evidence. As I already said the National Academy of Science did a very intensive study on this, and concluded that you can't meet your daily vitamin and minerals requirements through food alone, even when consuming a very healthy diet. Some vitamins, such as A, are easy to meet with food, but most are not.

Another thing to consider when looking at these studies, is what kind of vitamins are they taking? Not all supplements are created equally...not by a long shot.

 

[ABM]

Hmm, I wonder who that lady is, Madeline Ellis. First of all, it says that "Most healthy, active kids get all the nutrients they need by eating a varied diet including whole grains, fresh fruits and vegetables, dairy products, lean meats, fish and poultry". That's statement is based on the assumption that a "healthy active" kid is already getting what they need, but the fact is, the vast majority of children are NOT eating healthy diets.

To me, it's common sense type of stuff. In other words, if mom (or an adult, as well) ensures that healthy, balance, regular meals are served, then I'd think there's probably no need for additional vitamins. Conversely, if it's gonna be quick, on-the-go, fat-laden garbola, snacky-type foods, and irregular mealtimes, then, yeah, some added vitamins and minerals might be in order.

I'm not necessarily the healthiest person in the world, but, to me, it's always boiled down to attempting to eat regular, healthy and balance (low fat) meals......with as many fresh (or lightly stir-fried) vegetables and fruits as I can. As far as I can tell, that works for me.

 

[Masbee]

To me, it's common sense type of stuff. In other words, if mom (or an adult, as well) ensures that healthy, balance, regular meals are served, then I'd think there's probably no need for additional vitamins. Conversely, if it's gonna be quick, on-the-go, fat-laden garbola, snacky-type foods, and irregular mealtimes, then, yeah, some added vitamins and minerals might be in order.

Noooo!

Did you read my post?

Folks that regularly eat junk food and heavily processed food have a gap so large that there is no pill that will help them nutritionally. Supplements can't bridge the gap of a poor diet.

And to be clear, the vast majority of Americans eat what is now considered a poor diet.

So, for those people, taking pills is a waste of money and time and by giving them the illusion that this helps, slows possible changes to really improve diet.

This is where the "pill pushers" have sold a bill of goods to folks. Most pills are marketed this way.

Take this pill and you won't have to exercise to lose weight.

Take this pill and you won't have to cut out most of your salt consumption to reduce blood pressure.

Take this pill and you won't have to figure out why you are sad.

Take this pill and you can pretend you are 20 again in bed.

Take this pill and you can lower your cholesterol number and still eat hamburgers.

Take this pill and you won't have to reduce your stress so you can sleep at night.

Take this (vitamin) pill and you won't have to eat healthy food.

Most of it is horseshit.

And the horseshit aspect of the pill pushers, I think confuses some people into thinking all nutritional supplementation is probably worthless.

I'm not necessarily the healthiest person in the world, but, to me, it's always boiled down to attempting to eat regular, healthy and balance (low fat) meals......with as many fresh (or lightly stir-fried) vegetables and fruits as I can. As far as I can tell, that works for me.

Excellent. Eat as much deep colored produce, raw and lightly cooked, as you can stand. Raw and cooked green vegetables every day. These are the most nutrient rich foods, and by stuffing yourself with these "vitamin foods" you have the added benefit of crowding out lesser quality food.

 

[handiman]

Conversely, if it's gonna be quick, on-the-go, fat-laden garbola, snacky-type foods, and irregular mealtimes, then, yeah, some added vitamins and minerals might be in order.

People tend to forget how immature and sheltered most big sport professional athletes are. Not to mention, commonly growing up in poverty and probably not having the best meal choices presented. Remember, these are usually the idiots that were flunking our college classes or couldn't get into college in the first place... They sure can ball, though.

Most of what we hear about, when it comes to pro's and eating, is either fast food or personal nutritionists. Few of them know what to do on their own.