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Saw the discussion about independents. I'm not an official Independent, but undeclared. Sometimes similar or lumped together. I do it because I just hate getting election mail, so I forfeit my right to vote in democratic primaries, for the ability to not get all sorts of political fliers in the mail. Only reason.
 


I guess Warren's decided that if the mainstream media is going to pretend she doesn't exist, she can say what she wants
 
Bloomberg said women want NDAs. Told sign or you get nothing isn't much choice. And lifting NDA doesn't require victim of sexual harassment to go public, just means they have the option.
 
Lol Bloomers took a bigger beating than my meat when I was 13.

Still, he ain’t going anywhere lol he’s gonna drag his stumbling ass out there every week and throw money around like James Harden at a strip club.
 
I thought Pete did well...He's the only one to take on Bernie's socialism.
Looks though as the democratic party just might select Bernie...
 
Everyone got to repurpose their Trump barbs for Bloomberg. Efficient.
 
Really enjoyed that debate. Everyone gave, and took, hard punches.

Bloomberg and Amy lost from my point of view (despite a few good moments from each).
Bloomberg because he had a terrible answer on the NDAs; Amy because she got panicky trying to defend herself.

Biden was surprisingly solid. Probably won't help him.
Bernie didn't get attacked as much as he probably ought to have given the polls - he can thank Bloomberg for taking the fire, and Liz for treating him, and him alone, with kid gloves.
I'll be interested to see if Attack Liz is more popular than the prior version of Liz. She certainly had a lot of great lines.
Pete was solid as usual.
Steyer was invisible in this debate. As was Tulsi.

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Lol I’ll say one thing, Mike rattled Bernie with the millionaire socialist with three houses line... it honestly wasn’t a lie.
 
Biden and Pete I thought did very well.

Sanders is ridiculous. No matter how many times people ask him where he's going to pull 25 trillion dollars from he just avoids it and starts again talking about universal healthcare. As if nobody else on that stage has similar aspirations for healthcare. The difference is they won't need to force a hundred million people to change their healthcare when they don't want to. So you actually get to choose! Wow what a rarity in a democracy. And they won't even have to pull 25 trillion out of their ninety year old ass to do it either.

Bloomberg spends all the money to get stuffed into a wood chipper the moment his first debate starts. Whoever was "prepping" him for the debate should perhaps also jump into the wood chipper.
 
Warren knocked it out of the park. Biden didn't hurt himself, we will see if he helped himself. Sanders put out his positions and per usual didn't reply when challenged. Klobuchar had some moments but not a strong performance. Buttigieg not so good. Bloomberg dreadful; defensive, arrogant, struggled with questions he had to have known were coming. Rolled his eyes when Warren referred to underpaid women who care for young children.

Lawrence O 'Donnell has pointed out any candidate if elected will sign the health care bill Congress passes, which, if Moscow Mitch is still running the Senate, will be none. Yet we have the same argument every debate. No questions on foreign policy and totally ignored the complete destruction of rule of law Trump and Barr are carrying out right now.

Warren supporters say she gets iced out of media. A recent poll did not even include her, they said they had Klobuchar instead, a quota of one woman? While everyone agrees she dominated the debate, headlines from NY Times to Politico to NBC all were some variant of Bloomberg and Sanders spar.
 
All things considered, I don't think Bloomberg did all that badly, especially since is was his first debate and it seemed that the others, at least initially ganged up on him. He was also given less time to speak than the others.

Was he especially impressive?...no. And yes, he could have been better prepared and I'm sure that will be addressed before the next round. But again, it was his first debate while the others have had the experience of doing it multiple times before. Pete is by far the more polished debater compared to the others but that alone does not mean he's automatically the best choice.

I was not especially impressed with any of them last night and I'm not going to count Bloomberg out just yet.
 
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Biden and Pete I thought did very well.

Sanders is ridiculous. No matter how many times people ask him where he's going to pull 25 trillion dollars from he just avoids it and starts again talking about universal healthcare. As if nobody else on that stage has similar aspirations for healthcare. The difference is they won't need to force a hundred million people to change their healthcare when they don't want to. So you actually get to choose! Wow what a rarity in a democracy. And they won't even have to pull 25 trillion out of their ninety year old ass to do it either.

Bloomberg spends all the money to get stuffed into a wood chipper the moment his first debate starts. Whoever was "prepping" him for the debate should perhaps also jump into the wood chipper.
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He never did answer the question "what would you say to those millions of people that are forced off their insurance"? Socialist don't value the freedom of individuals as much as the Mega Government run centralized, EXPENSIVE way of doing things. At least Pete offers some solutions to addressing the key issues without a One Way of the Highway approach of which most socialist promote. Get the mass doing things one way in order to control. Communism is socialism, and socialism is communism.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Lol I’ll say one thing, Mike rattled Bernie with the millionaire socialist with three houses line... it honestly wasn’t a lie.
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It wasn't a lie and it also doesn't really mean anything. Bernie doesn't want to make it so nobody can have three houses. He never pretends that he's poor. He just wants to help poor people not struggle as much and equal the playing field a little bit so they have a better chance to lead happier lives.
 
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He never did answer the question "what would you say to those millions of people that are forced off their insurance"? Socialist don't value the freedom of individuals as much as the Mega Government run centralized, EXPENSIVE way of doing things. At least Pete offers some solutions to addressing the key issues without a One Way of the Highway approach of which most socialist promote. Get the mass doing things one way in order to control. Communism is socialism, and socialism is communism.
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He was also evasive when asked how he would completely fund his give away insurance plan.
 
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It wasn't a lie and it also doesn't really mean anything. Bernie doesn't want to make it so nobody can have three houses. He never pretends that he's poor. He just wants to help poor people not struggle as much and equal the playing field a little bit so they have a better chance to lead happier lives.
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Perhaps, but he sounds like he wants some kind of "salary cap" as far as how rich someone can be.
 
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MEDICARE FOR ALL WOULD SAVE $450 BILLION ANNUALLY WHILE PREVENTING 68,000 DEATHS, NEW STUDY SHOWS

The Medicare For All plan proposed by Democratic presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren would save taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars each year and would prevent tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, a new study shows.

The analysis, conducted by researchers at Yale University, the University of Florida and the University of Maryland, found that transitioning the U.S. to a single-payer health care system would actually save an estimated $450 billion each year, with the average American family seeing about $2,400 in annual savings. The research, which was published Saturday in the medical journal The Lancet, also found that Medicare for all would prevent about 68,000 unnecessary deaths per year.
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The problem with these is that people can throw together whatever numbers they want to match want they want to show. They always have a ton of assumptions, and the reality we won't know until it happens if it saves anyone's life, it costs someone their life, or what the true costs are. You listen to some people they say oh 25 trillion dollars! You listen to others it'll save trillions of dollars. There is a lot of cognitive bias going on with what we chose to believe with this stuff. Heck, I don't know what the truth will eventually be if we go towards universal healthcare and I'm not saying they're, "wrong", just that these types of studies I always take with a massive block of salt.
 
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Perhaps, but he sounds like he wants some kind of "salary cap" as far as how rich someone can be.
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No one person needs or deserves to have 64 billion dollars, to use Bloomberg as an example, while our poorest people struggle as much as they do. It is obscene and immoral and represents a failure of society. Of course there will still be people richer than other people, no one is against that. Smarter, harder working people will still be more successful. Bernie's plans represent evening the playing field just a bit, giving poor people more of a chance to lead better lives.
 
^^^But exactly who is going to "save $450 Billion per year?...taxpayers?...hospitals?...insurance companies?...pharmaceuticals?

And how is it really going to save that much when it is estimated to cost Trillions per year?
 
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