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As pointed out in the video, Pippen had more "bounce", but he needed to have that since he was a poor 3 point shooter. TC is a so much better 3fg shooter.

Pippen: 32.6 3fg% (career)
TC: 34.8 3fg% (career)
TC : 35.6 3fg% (this season)

My guess is that he'll end his career somewhere between 36 and 38 3fg%.

Should point out, however, that Pippen was the main cog in the offense when Jordan was out. TC likely will never have this responsibility. However, with his much high 3fg%, he doesn't really need to.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
As pointed out in the video, Pippen had more "bounce", but he needed to have that since he was a poor 3 point shooter. TC is a so much better 3fg shooter.

Pippen: 32.6 3fg% (career)
TC: 34.8 3fg% (career)
TC : 35.6 3fg% (this season)

My guess is that he'll end his career somewhere between 36 and 38 3fg%.

Should point out, however, that Pippen was the main cog in the offense when Jordan was out. TC likely will never have this responsibility. However, with his much high 3fg%, he doesn't really need to.
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it's always a little iffy comparing a 2nd year role player to a 6-time NBA champion and a 7 time all-star with 17 all-NBA awards; that's especially true when they are from different eras and that's definitely the case with this one

I'd say Toumani is a little bigger than Pippen; I'm not sure he's as long as Pippen or as quick. But Camara's lateral mobility is probably on par with Pippen

I don't believe comparing 3 point shooting is fair to Pippen at all. The NCAA didn't implement the 3 point shot till Pippen's senior season in college. Meaning all thru high school and his first 3 years in college Pippen wasn't even practicing shots behind a 3 point line. He shot a grand total of 40 three's in college; Camara shot 231. Camara has attempted 388 three's in less than 2 full seasons; Pippen attempted 30 fewer three's than that in his first 5 seasons. If you project Toumani till the end of the season, then in his college career + 2 NBA seasons, he'll have shot 730 three's. In Pippen's college career + first 2 NBA seasons, he shot 140; less than 1/5th of Camara's total

Camara has been practicing three's since grade school; Pippen started practicing when he was a college senior back when three's were not emphasized.
 
wizenheimer said:
it's always a little iffy comparing a 2nd year role player to a 6-time NBA champion and a 7 time all-star with 17 all-NBA awards; that's especially true when they are from different eras and that's definitely the case with this one

I'd say Toumani is a little bigger than Pippen; I'm not sure he's as long as Pippen or as quick. But Camara's lateral mobility is probably on par with Pippen

I don't believe comparing 3 point shooting is fair to Pippen at all. The NCAA didn't implement the 3 point shot till Pippen's senior season in college. Meaning all thru high school and his first 3 years in college Pippen wasn't even practicing shots behind a 3 point line. He shot a grand total of 40 three's in college; Camara shot 231. Camara has attempted 388 three's in less than 2 full seasons; Pippen attempted 30 fewer three's than that in his first 5 seasons. If you project Toumani till the end of the season, then in his college career + 2 NBA seasons, he'll have shot 730 three's. In Pippen's college career + first 2 NBA seasons, he shot 140; less than 1/5th of Camara's total

Camara has been practicing three's since grade school; Pippen started practicing when he was a college senior back when three's were not emphasized.
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Yep--in his two highest-volume seasons (96-97), Pippen was a 37% 3P shooter. Fair to assume he would have been there (or better) consistently if he'd come up in this era.
 
So I basically save every play of every game. Got certain names I have my guys call the players so we can find stuff faster. Certain types of plays so we can find stuff faster.
Only have 8 characters I believe on my machine I work on.
So….. BRoy 2 LA
Rudy 3
Chief BlkBrk
Dame 2 HW
That type of thing. Obviously over the years I typed Dame 3 a million times. So while doing this, my head is down working and NOT watching the game. I rarely know what the score is at all, just know WHO had a good game and HOW. CJ BREAK for example.
What I have found myself typing over and over this past 18 months is CAM DEF for Camara Defense. He gets a CAM BLK or CAM STL or CAN CHARGE all the time…..but I find myself load up my drives with play after play after play of CAM DEF. I’m saving these plays from the moment the other team inbounds the ball and Toumani is just pressuring and smothering the opposing PG. It may not lead to a steal or block, but it is definitely affecting/effecting the other teams offensive flow. I may have gone YEARS in the past not clipping off and saving or typing plays like that and I literally do it on many occasions nightly. Also, I am finding myself typing this for Scoot recently as well. Like they say defense is contagious. Tou is becoming one of my favorites. I’m excited to watch him grow.
Side note: An OUTSTANDING dude. Very cool, polite…..love this kid.
 
As for not being as aggressive as Pippen in some facets defensively, I imagine that changes if you look at Pippen at the same stage of his career. It takes time to earn a [positive] reputation with the refs and learn how much physicality you can get away with. Push that envelope too soon, and you end up with a negative rep.

Personally, I think Camara is as close to a mirror image of Pippen defensively as you can get from a unicorn. He's obviously nowhere near the offensive threat that Pip was, but no one's calling him a first ballot HOF'er yet, either.
 
handiman said:
As for not being as aggressive as Pippen in some facets defensively, I imagine that changes if you look at Pippen at the same stage of his career. It takes time to earn a [positive] reputation with the refs and learn how much physicality you can get away with. Push that envelope too soon, and you end up with a negative rep.

Personally, I think Camara is as close to a mirror image of Pippen defensively as you can get from a unicorn. He's obviously nowhere near the offensive threat that Pip was, but no one's calling him a first ballot HOF'er yet, either.
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Camara can be as good if not better at 3-point shooting, but yeah it was Scottie's play-making ability that made him so good on the offensive end. And as you alluded to, nobody is expecting Camara to be an all-star, let alone a HOFer.
 
This Toumani tidbit from the Athletic is kind of nuts….just ONE non-paint 2-point shot all season??


Toumani midrange jumper(s)
The threat of the buzzer is messing with history — and not just because it is hurting Jokić’s chance at a 3-point title. There is a lesser (but cooler) bit of trivia that’s now vanished in Portland.

Just before the All-Star break, with only a few seconds remaining in a third-quarter possession against the Minnesota Timberwolves, Toumani Camara received the basketball in the right corner. He dribbled once to his left, circling his Portland Trail Blazers teammate Deandre Ayton, and pulled up from just inside the 3-point arc for an errant jump shot. The Blazers lost, snapping a season-long six-game winning streak — and it wasn’t because of a desperation jumper. But that shot, whether it went in or not, was bigger than just a blip.

Depending on your perspective, Camara’s Blazers are in the midst of either ruining the tank or justifying the conglomeration of veterans and young talent they clutched onto beyond the trade deadline.

The past month has yielded 2023 No. 3 pick Scoot Henderson’s best ball. The 24-year-old forward Deni Avdija is making what may not be the leap but is at least some kind of leap, chucking up 3s with more confidence than ever, attacking the basket and leading an offense that’s actually meshing. Camara is stifling opponents at an All-Defense level. The Blazers are on a four-game skid but had won 10 of 11 before that.

Much is going right in Portland, except for those advocating for the tank — oh, and also for any geeks who realized Camara put the kibosh on a chance at history when the basketball rolled off his fingertips.

That shot was Camara’s first non-paint 2-point jumper of the season. Even after taking it, he’s tracking for the most cookie-cutter shot profile the NBA has ever seen.

No player in history has taken more than 138 3s in a season without tossing up at least one midrange jumper, a record Gary Clark established in his legacy-setting 2018-19 campaign. Clark must have celebrated that Camara jumper the same way the 1972 Miami Dolphins reacted to Eli Manning defeating Tom Brady and the New England Patriots.

But Clark was a 3-point specialist. All he did was hang around the arc. Camara will get to the basket, too.

He has already taken more than 200 3-pointers. He still leads the league in corner 3s and above-the-break 3s among the 120 players who have taken no more than one midrange range shot. He’s second to the Detroit Pistons’ Jalen Duren, a rim-diving center, in paint attempts among that same crew.

Modern-day analytics is not about eliminating the midrange indiscriminately. Kevin Durant pulling up from 17 feet, for example, is still a good shot. But Camara is trimming the pork, and he’s doing it to an extreme no one this side of Clark has.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/61...-magic-nba-trends/?source=user_shared_articleNikola Jokić’s ‘league-leading’ shooting, Magic’s woes and more NBA trends I’m watching
 
Toumani and Deni are already looking like starters for 2025-2026.
Clingan is the heir apparent center? Does anyone expect Ayton to beat him next year and moving forward? Not me. And Ayton is pretty good, all things considered. He isn’t a red@$$. No hard hat and minus the passing and blocks.

Clingan is the heir apparent at center, and they have two REAL, positionally versatile forwards. This means the Blazers do NOT have positional need as much as usual heading into the draft. Scoot is looking significantly better than last year and the early part of this season. Sharpe has tools on O and needs to pick it up on D — especially his motor and “want to.”

The Blazers need a STAR (actually 2). Can one of the current young guys become that? I don’t know. Maybe.
Superstar? Less likely, to be blunt.

Tank/lose/play the young guys/load management … and pray to the basketball gods.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
Toumani and Deni are already looking like starters for 2025-2026.
Clingan is the heir apparent center? Does anyone expect Ayton to beat him next year and moving forward? Not me. And Ayton is pretty good, all things considered. He isn’t a red@$$. No hard hat and minus the passing and blocks.

Clingan is the heir apparent at center, and they have two REAL, positionally versatile forwards. This means the Blazers do NOT have positional need as much as usual heading into the draft. Scoot is looking significantly better than last year and the early part of this season. Sharpe has tools on O and needs to pick it up on D — especially his motor and “want to.”

The Blazers need a STAR (actually 2). Can one of the current young guys become that? I don’t know. Maybe.
Superstar? Less likely, to be blunt.

Tank/lose/play the young guys/load management … and pray to the basketball gods.
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I’m stuck on what a “red@$$” is, sorry.
 
THE HCP said:
I’m stuck on what a “red@$$” is, sorry.
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Guys with some attitude, intensity, physicality who will lay the wood — not dirty as much as send a message.
Clingan has those beginnings and will likely step into the role as he gets a couple years in. Blazers old school “red-ass” started with Lucas and more recently Prz.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Dude is just growing in his impact every week. I am fully convinced that none of us have any idea what his actual ceiling is. So excited to see what he becomes.
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he's going to get steadily better....no doubt about that. Dame kept improving until he arguably had the best season of his career at 32

but Camara will turn 25 in 2.5 months so I'm skeptical he has any big leaps left like a 20 year old might have. Might be slow and steady wins the race
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Dude is just growing in his impact every week. I am fully convinced that none of us have any idea what his actual ceiling is. So excited to see what he becomes.
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Is it strange that I’m happy with ANYTHING he contributes on the offensive end. It’s all gravy!
 
AldoTrapani said:
Whats your guess? Surely not all nba right?
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I don't know. Someone recently suggested Jimmy Butler as a comparison, and I'm beginning to think that's not completely far-fetched. Whatever his ceiling, I'm all in on him being a Blazer until he retires.
 
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