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Just wool-gathering here, but I'm curious how folks would compare the physical tools of Gabriel, Trent, Simons, and Little? I don't think anyone would disagree that Trent has taken a clear lead on the mental side. :cheers:
 
Scalma said:
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all things considered he looked pretty good tonight. The Pels don't have a dominant front line but still Gabriel displayed some skills at various parts of the floor. More importantly is he has athleticism and length. Those have been in short supply this season. I hope Portland can get him re-signed this summer. He's be a cheap end of the bench guy with enough versatility to climb up the rotation a little
 
oldmangrouch said:
Just wool-gathering here, but I'm curious how folks would compare the physical tools of Gabriel, Trent, Simons, and Little? I don't think anyone would disagree that Trent has taken a clear lead on the mental side. :cheers:
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Trent definitely has a 'maturity' advantage to his game and has the most valuable single skill. Little and Gabriel have the athleticism and potential. I can't get a good handle on Simons. I see the flashes, but project tweener-guards have a lot higher failure rate, IMO, than project front-court players and project bigs. Simons may have the highest ceiling but I'm pretty impressed with Trent's upside and his seeming fit into a modern offense
 
nba scouts maxims,can't teach height, can't teach length. add in great athleticism to the mix. he took 2 dribbles from behind the three point line, picked it up on the right side, behind the free throw line, finished with the left hand on the other side of the lane. covered a lot of ground with those two strides. i was impressed. hope to see more of this young man.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Just wool-gathering here, but I'm curious how folks would compare the physical tools of Gabriel, Trent, Simons, and Little? I don't think anyone would disagree that Trent has taken a clear lead on the mental side. :cheers:
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I’d say Nas at the top just because he’s got the strength, explosion, and length (that’s not what she said)

I still think Gabriel’s best position is small forward, especially in Portland’s system. He can play the four and maybe even small ball five, but he presents the most mismatches at the three.
 
Scalma said:
I’d say Nas at the top just because he’s got the strength, explosion, and length (that’s not what she said)

I still think Gabriel’s best position is small forward, especially in Portland’s system. He can play the four and maybe even small ball five, but he presents the most mismatches at the three.
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It was actually a little fun after a horrible 3rd quarter to see the Blazers go 7'1", 6'10", 6'9", 6'8" and 6'4" in the final stretch with Wenyen or Hoard playing the '2'.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Just wool-gathering here, but I'm curious how folks would compare the physical tools of Gabriel, Trent, Simons, and Little? I don't think anyone would disagree that Trent has taken a clear lead on the mental side. :cheers:
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Is Gabriel a + defender? If so, I'm more interested in the Aminu comp.
 
Scalma said:
I’d say defense is Gabriel’s strength, but you know how young guys get officiated, especially blazers. I do think he’s more skilled than Aminu on the other end.
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Can you imagine Aminu attempting that drive from the top of the key, 360 spin through two defenders, finishing with the left hand in traffic?

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My entirely unprofessional take: going into the season I thought Little had the highest ceiling, but also the lowest floor. My concern was that he would be too much of a tweener. I had Simons ahead of Trent because he seemed the more explosive of the two. Trent, however, has made greater strides in learning to actually play at the NBA level. I have no idea what to think of Gabriel yet.
 
Scalma said:
I’d say defense is Gabriel’s strength, but you know how young guys get officiated, especially blazers. I do think he’s more skilled than Aminu on the other end.
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outside of the officiating and fouls in his start against the lakers, i thought he did a very credible job defending AD,especially factoring the short time actually with the team. kind of forced to play cause of melo's choice of not to. might be stronger than aminu. in the series against NOLA aminu held AD to like 30 points per game so i thought Gabriel did a very good job in that small sample .
 
oldmangrouch said:
Just wool-gathering here, but I'm curious how folks would compare the physical tools of Gabriel, Trent, Simons, and Little? I don't think anyone would disagree that Trent has taken a clear lead on the mental side. :cheers:
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Just physically, I would rate Gabriel #1, Little and Simons different strengths but about even, Trent last.
 
lawai'a said:
outside of the officiating and fouls in his start against the lakers, i thought he did a very credible job defending AD,especially factoring the short time actually with the team. kind of forced to play cause of melo's choice of not to. might be stronger than aminu. in the series against NOLA aminu held AD to like 30 points per game so i thought Gabriel did a very good job in that small sample .
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Wenyen went at AD on both ends, was dope to see. And then he also shows an ability to stay in front of smaller more agile players. He’s really intriguing.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Is it consensus that he'll be on the team next year? I hope he is.
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He's an unrestricted FA, but I don't think many if any teams will be offering him even a minimum contract so I'm guessing Olshey and Stotts will get together and see if he's better than the other options. My gut is that he won't be on the team next year.
 
Gabriel's greatest skill is the ability to keep his man in front and keep his arms up on defense. It's kind of crazy how many players still don't know that good, solid defense can be played if you just keep your arms up and don't swipe at everything.
 
Tince said:
He's an unrestricted FA, but I don't think many if any teams will be offering him even a minimum contract so I'm guessing Olshey and Stotts will get together and see if he's better than the other options. My gut is that he won't be on the team next year.
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He’s restricted. Don’t see why he wouldn’t be back either. He’s cheap and they still need to fill out the roster. They only have ten guys under contract, and that’s assuming Hezonja and hood opt in. I’d say there’s a greater than 50% chance Hezonja does not.
 
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lawai'a said:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers/wenyen-gabriel-27806/
sport trac's page concerning weyen's contract is a little confusing to me. it appears that we can make a qualifying offer this year for $1,749,812 and cap hold of the same. under it they show him being a RFA at age 24, 2 years from now but still 2020.
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http://www.basketballinsiders.com/portland-trail-blazers-team-salary/

if you hover your cursor over his name, they say Portland has early bird rights, rather than non-bird rights
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, that's what I thought. Portland only has non-Bird rights though, so unless they use part of the MLE or BAE for him the most they could offer is 1.73M. That should be enough
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Because he's a rookie we actually have his early bird rights.
 
Forget the fouls, he’s a rookie, getting officiated like a rookie, and playing his first minutes. The game will slow down for him with time.

But the tools, man they’re intriguing, especially defensively. I still think he’s more of a small forward than power forward. If both Gabriel and Little keep developing we’ll finally be set at a position we’ve been dying at for years.

 
Scalma said:
Forget the fouls, he’s a rookie, getting officiated like a rookie, and playing his first minutes. The game will slow down for him with time.

But the tools, man they’re intriguing, especially defensively. I still think he’s more of a small forward than power forward. If both Gabriel and Little keep developing we’ll finally be set at a position we’ve been dying at for years.

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Only play on the team that:
A.) Makes the effort to rotate that quickly AND
B.) Actually blocks that shot
 
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