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@Scalma .
Please answer this honestly.
Do you really believe it even matters?
Other than Dame, Cj, Nurk, Rodney, Zach, Trent, Ariza, Melo, Whiteside and Ant..
Does it really matter in the long term?

What do you mean? Development matters. If we’re gonna miss the playoffs at least let some young guys work their way into roles next year. Might prevent another Afflalo/CJ situation where we’re looking for guys we already have.
 
What do you mean? Development matters. If we’re gonna miss the playoffs at least let some young guys work their way into roles next year. Might prevent another Afflalo/CJ situation where we’re looking for guys we already have.

Have we been eliminated from the playoffs? That's simply a yes or no answer. I wonder if other teams forums obsess over end of the bench players like this forum does.
 
Melo is averaging 33 MPG, and there are times everyone can see he is running on fumes. Mario is averaging 16 MPG. What role do they play in the Blazers' plans beyond this season? What about Ariza, who is looking pretty spry now, but is no spring chicken himself?

I get why people don't think Gabriel deserves 20+ MPG...but is it really such a bad idea to find out if his minor league stats are just an illusion? As for Little, I would argue he needs to play - period. We don't need another Leonard who won't contribute until Dame is collecting Social Security!
 
Have we been eliminated from the playoffs? That's simply a yes or no answer. I wonder if other teams forums obsess over end of the bench players like this forum does.
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They do!
 
As of today, we are in 9th, 3 games behind 8th. Doesn't sound bad? 4 other teams are within 1.5 games at our heels. That's 6 team within a 4.5 game spread....chasing ONE play-off spot.

How much are you willing to gamble out of your own pocket that the Blazers are the 1-in-6 to prevail? Seems a lot of you are good with the Blazers going all in on that bet, even at the cost of what might be best for next season and beyond.
 
And....don't forget...
Not only can he make a shot, but nobody on this team is better at fouling.
I got absolutely nothing against the kid, and I'm pulling for him cos he does hustle...but c'mon guys....he's a 9th or 10th guy at best, on any team.
With 80% of our starting lineup on the bench, that makes Wenyan a borderline starter ;
 
Scalma always overhypes trash players.
I dont think so. I think @Scalma and @Rastapopoulos are really good at looking at young players and seeing their strengths, and thinking we should see if they can play. I dont hear either of them really “over-hype” guys, they just see potential and want to give guys run, or in some cases want to run them away from us.
 
I dont think so. I think @Scalma and @Rastapopoulos are really good at looking at young players and seeing their strengths, and thinking we should see if they can play. I dont hear either of them really “over-hype” guys, they just see potential and want to give guys run, or in some cases want to run them away from us.

I mean I’ve been wrong before, but I don’t really care. I always focus on what young players can do rather than what they can’t. Everyone in the nba is talented but not everyone takes advantage of their opportunity, if they even get one. I think Wenyen will get his soon. He played over Whiteside for a stretch last night and has taken minutes from Biggie. That tells me Stotts is gaining trust in him..not an easy thing for a rookie to do. We’ll see what he does with his opportunity though.
 
I dont think so. I think @Scalma and @Rastapopoulos are really good at looking at young players and seeing their strengths, and thinking we should see if they can play. I dont hear either of them really “over-hype” guys, they just see potential and want to give guys run, or in some cases want to run them away from us.
That might be true, but i'm really tired of "potential", i want proven players and not more projects.
 
That might be true, but i'm really tired of "potential", i want proven players and not more projects.

I sympathize. A team needs a prospect or 2 on the bench - but the Blazers have at least 5 (Collins, Simons, Trent, Little, Gabriel). That's one third of the roster and leaves the team vulnerable in the case of multiple injuries.
 
I dont think so. I think @Scalma and @Rastapopoulos are really good at looking at young players and seeing their strengths, and thinking we should see if they can play. I dont hear either of them really “over-hype” guys, they just see potential and want to give guys run, or in some cases want to run them away from us.
I concur.
 
I sympathize. A team needs a prospect or 2 on the bench - but the Blazers have at least 5 (Collins, Simons, Trent, Little, Gabriel). That's one third of the roster and leaves the team vulnerable in the case of multiple injuries.
2 of those guys are contributory role players though. Simons is completely fine as an 11th to 13th guy, and should be better than that next year.
 
For those who have watched Gabriel a decent amount and think he should play more. What do you project his highest season PER, PPG, RPG, or any measurement to be throughout his career? I'm curious what type of realistic ceiling people think this guy has.
 
For those who have watched Gabriel a decent amount and think he should play more. What do you project his highest season PER, PPG, RPG, or any measurement to be throughout his career? I'm curious what type of realistic ceiling people think this guy has.
I think his potential at this point is more defensively than offensively so PER and PPG is not what Id be looking for. I think he moves his feet very well, needs to trust himself and not reach, he commits fouls kind of like Zach does, he’s in position, why use his arms / reach when he doesnt need too.
Offensively the shot looks good and he does have the athleticism to finish, but he’s a project on that end.
 
I think his potential at this point is more defensively than offensively so PER and PPG is not what Id be looking for. I think he moves his feet very well, needs to trust himself and not reach, he commits fouls kind of like Zach does, he’s in position, why use his arms / reach when he doesnt need too.
Offensively the shot looks good and he does have the athleticism to finish, but he’s a project on that end.

Seems like a great assessment. You see his defense being so good that he ends up being a starter in the league? 6th man? occasional role player?
 
Seems like a great assessment. You see his defense being so good that he ends up being a starter in the league? 6th man? occasional role player?
Well the leagues changed a lot defensive specialists struggle to get minutes if they cant hit three’s. So a lot of it will depend on if he can make that shot translate to real game scenario’s.
Upside at this point is probably Serge Ibaka (and he’s got a long ways to go there), but if he ever does like 13-14ppg to go along with his natural defensive abilities he’s probably a good role player or starter on the right situation.

If I had to “guess”, he’s probably got like a 30-40% chance to not be in the league in a few years, but heck this seems like a good year to let him take his lumps and get his footing on an NBA court.
 
I mean I’ve been wrong before, but I don’t really care. I always focus on what young players can do rather than what they can’t. Everyone in the nba is talented but not everyone takes advantage of their opportunity, if they even get one. I think Wenyen will get his soon. He played over Whiteside for a stretch last night and has taken minutes from Biggie. That tells me Stotts is gaining trust in him..not an easy thing for a rookie to do. We’ll see what he does with his opportunity though.

Seems like Stotts trust him more than Little right now.
 
For those who have watched Gabriel a decent amount and think he should play more. What do you project his highest season PER, PPG, RPG, or any measurement to be throughout his career? I'm curious what type of realistic ceiling people think this guy has.
He's got to learn to space and then he has to make his threes. Defense is so very important but as we all have witnessed in the last 3 years you have to be consistent or have some form of offensive game so you are not a black hole. Gotta make the other team respect you. I watched a couple possessions in the last few games where i was sure we got Aminu back. He has no clue what to do with the ball in his hands YET. For me it's way to early to predict a PER,PPG,RPG type ceiling. If he can play it could be decent but if you can't put him on the floor against starting lineups his career will be short. As far as fouls go i was shocked by what Hurd and Calaboro said about him last game. I have never heard quite that kind of negative comment? Fouls are part of the game and those issues can be worked on. Takes time.
 
Well the leagues changed a lot defensive specialists struggle to get minutes if they cant hit three’s. So a lot of it will depend on if he can make that shot translate to real game scenario’s.
Upside at this point is probably Serge Ibaka (and he’s got a long ways to go there), but if he ever does like 13-14ppg to go along with his natural defensive abilities he’s probably a good role player or starter on the right situation.

If I had to “guess”, he’s probably got like a 30-40% chance to not be in the league in a few years, but heck this seems like a good year to let him take his lumps and get his footing on an NBA court.
I agree.
 
He's got to learn to space and then he has to make his threes.

I like everything about him except his Weird name. I never remember it so I call him Waylon. Maybe he'll sing at the Wells Fargo game. He has a live body like Moses Brown, which makes him exciting. I hope he doesn't develop his shooting. That will ruin his style.
 
For those who have watched Gabriel a decent amount and think he should play more. What do you project his highest season PER, PPG, RPG, or any measurement to be throughout his career? I'm curious what type of realistic ceiling people think this guy has.

I forced myself to watch all his g league games and I saw things there that I think will transfer to the next level: Shooting, rebounding, defense. He also showed a decent handle and vision. The mistakes he’s made so far with Portland are all rather correctable and can be contributed to trying to do too much/inexperience.

As for ceiling, I see him as a guy that can defend multiple positions but best fit as a three in portlands system. You’re not gonna ask him to create for himself, but he’ll play well off others, guard the other teams best wing, and knock down shots. I think he’ll be a better player than Aminu/Moe once it’s all said and done.
 
I forced myself to watch all his g league games and I saw things there that I think will transfer to the next level: Shooting, rebounding, defense. He also showed a decent handle and vision. The mistakes he’s made so far with Portland are all rather correctable and can be contributed to trying to do too much/inexperience.

As for ceiling, I see him as a guy that can defend multiple positions but best fit as a three in portlands system. You’re not gonna ask him to create for himself, but he’ll play well off others, guard the other teams best wing, and knock down shots. I think he’ll be a better player than Aminu/Moe once it’s all said and done.

While I don't really share your optimism, I absolutely want him to get consistent minutes and a chance to play through his mistakes. Even though I doubt he can replicate what he did in the G league, I want him to have a fair chance to prove me wrong! :cheers:
 
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