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4 months before training camp starts. almost 5 months before opening night, 6 months just to be conservative?

Things look good for him, but how much is for show so he gets a big contract? I have no clue.
 
He should have a Blazer jersey on, damnit! But good for him, I freaking love the guy, hope everything pans out for him.
 
im telling you, giving up on wesley is going to be a huge mistake. make him a blazer.
it is not about "giving up" on him - that's an emotional argument, it's about a fair contract given the injury he is recovering from and how much RISK the team should take
 
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When will Nico just rest! He loves France and hates the Blazers! And hates Portland! He's even a terrorist!
 
Good for Nico! Right on schedule! Hope he gets his 3pt shot back on track this summer. Don't see folks complaining about Wes on the court and he's a guy who needs rest if anybody does
 
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To me it looks like a slimmed down doppelganger of Blake Griffin. It is probably someone who goes to school at UCLA though.
 
It is a little early to comeback. I just hope Wes isn't trying to Wow GMs for the big money.
 
It is a little early to comeback. I just hope Wes isn't trying to Wow GMs for the big money.

That is a good point. He could pull a Kobe and rush back and end up over compensating and hurting something else OR re-injuring himself.

I trust that Wes knows his body. I have confidence in him though.
 
it is not about "giving up" on him - that's an emotional argument, it's about a fair contract given the injury he is recovering from and how much RISK the team should take

Not sure why you keep sharing this take as the injury he's recovering from is one that most athletes make it back to 100% of their former abilities well within 2 years.

where ever he signs it will obviously have to be a mutual agreement, but I'm pretty positive he isn't being downgraded because of the achilles.

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Not sure why you keep sharing this take as the injury he's recovering from is one that most athletes make it back to 100% of their former abilities well within 2 years.

where ever he signs it will obviously have to be a mutual agreement, but I'm pretty positive he isn't being downgraded because of the achilles.

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This article doesn't agree with you -
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/fantas...095586/history-not-kind-for-ruptured-achilles

according to a study from doctors at Drexel University cited in the Deadspin piece, seven of 18 players who suffered the injury from 1992 to 2012 never returned to the NBA at all.
 
Earl Watson just signed on as Hornacek's assistant coach in Phoenix. Wes is really close to Earl and Hornacek was his shooting coach and mentor in Utah. Lot of Wes connections could attract him to Phoenix. I worry most that Wes takes his ironman thing too far and rushes his recovery. Hope I'm wrong because he's my favorite player on the team.
 
Phoenix has a knack for fixing broken players...Grant Hill revived his career there.
 

That article is pretty suspect. First of all, it only looks at the season immediately following surgery. Let's remember that the player has been out of the game for quite a while recovering. I'd like to see comparisons with players who have simply sat out, uninjured for that amount of time. But second, I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty scared playing after surgery. I'd be tentative in the extreme. So I think a better study would look at the overall trajectory and the following seasons.
Third, notice that there isn't really a pattern. One of the best recoveries was by Dominique Wilkins, who was pretty old (in NBA terms) at the time.
Fourth, notice that there is no indication that they're (a) playing the same role, (b) for the same team. Your stats are likely to change if you change teams.
Fifth, medical technology marches on. It used to be that an achilles injury was an instant career-ender. Not so any more. So a fair comparison for Wes would focus only on recent recoverers.
Sixth, it doesn't acknowledge the different types of players and different types of game. Somebody who relied a lot on their athleticism would be likely to be more affected than somebody like, say, Luis Scola. Wes has never been a great athlete or had a game predicated on quickness.

I'm encouraged to see Jonas Jerebko on there. He's actually had a very solid season for the Celtics, and I completely forgot that he'd ruptured his achilles. Sign him AND Wes and have him tell Wes what he did.
 
Here's another article that discusses the effects of an achilles injury and references the same report from Drexel University:
http://regressing.deadspin.com/how-...-nba-players-or-why-kobe-472944871/1453959464

The average age for injured players was 29.7, with seven years of playing experience; in the first year back from injury, players played 5.21 fewer minutes per game. That number dropped to 4.42 in the second year back. More tellingly, player efficiency rating (PER) dropped by 4.64 the first year back and 4.28 the second.
Position didn't affect recovery time, Amin says. "We had a well-rounded group of players," he says. "There wasn't a conclusion that said all the forwards came back and none of the centers. It was spread evenly throughout."
I'm certainly rooting for Wes to come back strong. If anyone can do it, Ironman can. And I hope the Blazer go after him hard. But at some point we have to acknowledge that this injury will definitely have an effect on his game. If a team throws crazy money at him, is that money better spend somewhere else? This injury definitely becomes a factor.
 
I hate to cherry pick from this long article, but here goes:

"On a per 40-minute basis, "athletic" stats like blocks, rebounds, and steals actually held steady post-injury. The same is true for field goal and free throw shooting percentages. "
 
I hate to cherry pick from this long article, but here goes:

"On a per 40-minute basis, "athletic" stats like blocks, rebounds, and steals actually held steady post-injury. The same is true for field goal and free throw shooting percentages. "
This is a great point. But some of it is a bit skewed. Blocks and rebound numbers would be less affected in Bigs. I imagine if you looked at results filtered by position you would find that guards suffered in those categories because of what is required to get them. However, Wes could be the best 3 point floor spreader in the NBA, and that is worth a lot in today's league.
 
Here's another article that discusses the effects of an achilles injury and references the same report from Drexel University:
http://regressing.deadspin.com/how-...-nba-players-or-why-kobe-472944871/1453959464



I'm certainly rooting for Wes to come back strong. If anyone can do it, Ironman can. And I hope the Blazer go after him hard. But at some point we have to acknowledge that this injury will definitely have an effect on his game. If a team throws crazy money at him, is that money better spend somewhere else? This injury definitely becomes a factor.
Didn't read article. How did the change in stats compare to players of the same age who didn't have the injury?
 
Didn't read article. How did the change in stats compare to players of the same age who didn't have the injury?
Here's another link that references the same Drexel University study. It has a bit more detail:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/27/us-nba-retire-achilles-tear-idUSBRE95Q0ZC20130627
Following the injury, the eight players who returned for at least two seasons had an average efficiency rating of 11.69 - down more than four points from their pre-injury rating of 16.1.

In comparison, similarly rated basketball players of the same age - who did not suffer an Achilles injury - saw their efficiency rating decline by just over one point.
Additional info:
Injured players seemed to do just as well as their non-injured counterparts when it came to rebounding, shooting and other activities that involve explosive jumping movements and the Achilles tendon.

That suggests overall performance is affected by an Achilles tear - not specifically the more physically demanding basketball skills.

This article does note that surgical techniques continue to improve....
 
i jus thope wes doesnt rush things, i guess the doctors have the final say on everything etc but if the next pic we see is of him dunking n shit , i think we need to chill a little.

also good to see Nic. Look, I was as dark on him last season as the next guy, but it's just a fucking cock-tease with his play - sometimes he looks head n shoulders above anyone else on the court - but most of the time its, where the fuck is he and why are we paying him so much to do so little.

argh
 
i jus thope wes doesnt rush things, i guess the doctors have the final say on everything etc but if the next pic we see is of him dunking n shit , i think we need to chill a little.

also good to see Nic. Look, I was as dark on him last season as the next guy, but it's just a fucking cock-tease with his play - sometimes he looks head n shoulders above anyone else on the court - but most of the time its, where the fuck is he and why are we paying him so much to do so little.

argh
Doesn't matter if he rushes things dude. Wes probably wont be a Blazers for much longer anyway.
 

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