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L.Frank wont be pleased by RJ saying our offense sucks, I think KiKi knows the offense sucks he was watching the game from the tunnel, I'm sure he's gonna work with Boone on his free throw shooting and Thorn will probably start looking into getting a shooter in here
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 11 2008, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 11 2008, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>it's just shows the difference between contenders and pretenders.

Contenders find ways to win while pretenders find ways to lose.</div>
the difference: KG. when you have a big who can score in the post, it frees everyone up.
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no it's the supporting cast. KG was a big man in minny but they were losing games. Shaq is in Miami and losing games.

It's the team you have around and players you have on your squad that will decide you success.

The reason The Pistons are a constant presence in the Eastern Conference Finals.


Boston had players step up while the Nets didn't.


It's really simple.
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no. take away KG and that team would be like us. dont let one game fool you. a sup[porting cast definetly helps but you need a good big who makes everything easier for the perimeter. baby killed us but he wouldnt be shit without KG, same with Tony Allen and House
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Explain why KG has only seen his greatest success in his career when management make moves and surround him with talent.

2003-2004 season and 2007-2008.

KG has always been KG but until they put talent around him he has never won.

In 2004 the wolves finish with the second best record in the League. Pacers finish 61-21.

Look at the C's record now. Don't get it twisted look at the history. I love KG game as anyone here will tell you but it's no secret he is only successful when he has a cast around him.
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yes, you do need a good supporting cast but how good what guys like Baby and TOny Allen be without KG? how many open looks would ray and PP have? look at the roster without KG

Rondo
Pierce
Ray
Baby
perkins

cmon, is that team really good?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Jan 11 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>L.Frank wont be pleased by RJ saying our offense sucks, I think KiKi knows the offense sucks he was watching the game from the tunnel, I'm sure he's gonna work with Boone on his free throw shooting and Thorn will probably start looking into getting a shooter in here</div>
WTH? Tell him 2 jump a building
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 11 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 11 2008, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 11 2008, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>it's just shows the difference between contenders and pretenders.

Contenders find ways to win while pretenders find ways to lose.</div>
the difference: KG. when you have a big who can score in the post, it frees everyone up.
</div>


no it's the supporting cast. KG was a big man in minny but they were losing games. Shaq is in Miami and losing games.

It's the team you have around and players you have on your squad that will decide you success.

The reason The Pistons are a constant presence in the Eastern Conference Finals.


Boston had players step up while the Nets didn't.


It's really simple.
</div>


no. take away KG and that team would be like us. dont let one game fool you. a sup[porting cast definetly helps but you need a good big who makes everything easier for the perimeter. baby killed us but he wouldnt be shit without KG, same with Tony Allen and House
</div>


Explain why KG has only seen his greatest success in his career when management make moves and surround him with talent.

2003-2004 season and 2007-2008.

KG has always been KG but until they put talent around him he has never won.

In 2004 the wolves finish with the second best record in the League. Pacers finish 61-21.

Look at the C's record now. Don't get it twisted look at the history. I love KG game as anyone here will tell you but it's no secret he is only successful when he has a cast around him.
</div>


yes, you do need a good supporting cast but how good what guys like Baby and TOny Allen be without KG? how many open looks would ray and PP have? look at the roster without KG

Rondo
Pierce
Ray
Baby
perkins

cmon, is that team really good?
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I'm not arguing that point right there but I will not contribute all their success to a player who has never been known to be the leading reason to a team success.

This team is playing defense.
Players are stepping up.


My point is which is proven by history. That KG is not the sole reason this team is successful.

If you have Paul Pierce on the floor with those shooters he can easily draw the double team and kick it out as we saw tonight with House.

KG is a big tool to this team but he is not the only tool.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Jan 11 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>L.Frank wont be pleased by RJ saying our offense sucks, I think KiKi knows the offense sucks he was watching the game from the tunnel, I'm sure he's gonna work with Boone on his free throw shooting and Thorn will probably start looking into getting a shooter in here</div>

the problem is we realistically have no trade value, Marcus isn't in game shape, Kristic is out, Boone and Williams are untradeable right now and each of the big three have large contracts and let me add our coach loves experienced players.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 11 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 11 2008, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 11 2008, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>it's just shows the difference between contenders and pretenders.

Contenders find ways to win while pretenders find ways to lose.</div>
the difference: KG. when you have a big who can score in the post, it frees everyone up.
</div>


no it's the supporting cast. KG was a big man in minny but they were losing games. Shaq is in Miami and losing games.

It's the team you have around and players you have on your squad that will decide you success.

The reason The Pistons are a constant presence in the Eastern Conference Finals.


Boston had players step up while the Nets didn't.


It's really simple.
</div>


no. take away KG and that team would be like us. dont let one game fool you. a sup[porting cast definetly helps but you need a good big who makes everything easier for the perimeter. baby killed us but he wouldnt be shit without KG, same with Tony Allen and House
</div>


Explain why KG has only seen his greatest success in his career when management make moves and surround him with talent.

2003-2004 season and 2007-2008.

KG has always been KG but until they put talent around him he has never won.

In 2004 the wolves finish with the second best record in the League. Pacers finish 61-21.

Look at the C's record now. Don't get it twisted look at the history. I love KG game as anyone here will tell you but it's no secret he is only successful when he has a cast around him.
</div>


yes, you do need a good supporting cast but how good what guys like Baby and TOny Allen be without KG? how many open looks would ray and PP have? look at the roster without KG

Rondo
Pierce
Ray
Baby
perkins

cmon, is that team really good?
</div>


I'm not arguing that point right there but I will not contribute all their success to a player who has never been known to be the leading reason to a team success.

This team is playing defense.
Players are stepping up.


My point is which is proven by history. That KG is not the sole reason this team is successful.

If you have Paul Pierce on the floor with those shooters he can easily draw the double team and kick it out as we saw tonight with House.

KG is a big tool to this team but he is not the only tool.
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When they played without Allen they got the crap kicked out of them by the Bobcats.
I honestly think that while KG is there best player and very important Allen is there MVP.
He is the perfect compliment to Pierce and Garnett...his shooting touch is invaluable. He's consistent as hell with it too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (d-blockrep2 @ Jan 11 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Jan 11 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>L.Frank wont be pleased by RJ saying our offense sucks, I think KiKi knows the offense sucks he was watching the game from the tunnel, I'm sure he's gonna work with Boone on his free throw shooting and Thorn will probably start looking into getting a shooter in here</div>

the problem is we realistically have no trade value, Marcus isn't in game shape, Kristic is out, Boone and Williams are untradeable right now and each of the big three have large contracts and let me add our coach loves experienced players.
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Amen. We have no trade chips. ie we can't fix the bench. ie season is over.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jan 11 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you think Ray Allen is our MVP you need to get your head checked out..</div>
Head's fine son. My opinon. I think you can still beat a lot of teams with a pierce allen combo is KG went down...if Allen goes down I think teams don't repect your perimeter as much.
 
The score of the game was much closer than it would indicate.

Frankly, I thought we quit midway through fourth quarter, which allowed them to make their run.

I think our foul trouble, and inability to convert from the free throw line is what cost us this game.

The Nets have definetly improved, but they have a long way to go to catch up to the elite in the East. We gave them a great game, but they're on a whole different level than us, and we either need to make a move (which doesn't seem likely), or work with what we got and try to improve (which we have over the past several weeks IMO).

Or we could blow the team up, but I don't really see it happening, since the team is starting to show signs of turning it around.
 
The Celtics' big 3 has all the ingredients you need to win games. You have the great outside shooter, the slasher and a guy who can score in the post and from outside. The Nets' big 3 is poorly balanced.

The Nets really need both outside shooters and a big guy who can bang inside and get easy buckets. Their weakness was exposed by the Celtics tonight - they just played zone and packed it into the lane since they didn't fear they'd be giving up easy outside points. Give the Nets a consistent shooter from 3pt range, and the Celtics would have to expand their zone out to the 3pt line.

As a Bulls fan, I've been seeing the Bulls play 3 on 5 on offense quite a bit, especially this season. For all the things a Chris Duhon does (the things Kidd does, just not as well), it's still 3 on 5 on offense. Teams don't care to guard him or Ben Wallace, leaving the Bulls better players facing a lot of double teams. Tough to play that way all game.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First off, Wright is not useless BUT you never play him with Collins because its basically playing 3 on 5 on offense.

Wright and Collins played good D and kept it close but they couldn't make shots.</div>

Can you please explain to me how in the hell Collins played good defense? This guy is so overrated on defense, and even if he had been solid at one time, he is nothing like the "anchor" Lawrence Frank describes him as. And for some reason it seems like Lawrence loves to find groups of the most offensively inept players in the LEAGUE and put them on the court all at once against the best DEFENSIVE team in the league. What kind of logic is that? I don't care if Boone plays the whole game, under NO circumstances do you play a center who sets "good picks" but CAN'T ROLL with any effectiveness in Jason Collins with 2 offensively TERRIBLE guards and a SF who can;t make his own shot off the dribble and struggles to set up others
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I agree with bling, Collins' defense tonight was awful. He had one good defensive play, where him and Wright trapped someone (Allen?) and got the jumpball, which Wright lost. The rest of the time, he did nothing of significance and couldn't even hold his own against Big Baby.
 
TBH i was always expecting a loss. The Celtics are easily the best in the world.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Jan 12 2008, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>we don't need a superstar player in here, we just need a shooter</div>

The whole Bucks roster is filled with em. We just have to give em somethin they want, and pick out the right shooter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Jan 12 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Jan 11 2008, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First off, Wright is not useless BUT you never play him with Collins because its basically playing 3 on 5 on offense.

Wright and Collins played good D and kept it close but they couldn't make shots.</div>

Can you please explain to me how in the hell Collins played good defense? This guy is so overrated on defense, and even if he had been solid at one time, he is nothing like the "anchor" Lawrence Frank describes him as. And for some reason it seems like Lawrence loves to find groups of the most offensively inept players in the LEAGUE and put them on the court all at once against the best DEFENSIVE team in the league. What kind of logic is that? I don't care if Boone plays the whole game, under NO circumstances do you play a center who sets "good picks" but CAN'T ROLL with any effectiveness in Jason Collins with 2 offensively TERRIBLE guards and a SF who can;t make his own shot off the dribble and struggles to set up others
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I agree with bling, Collins' defense tonight was awful. He had one good defensive play, where him and Wright trapped someone (Allen?) and got the jumpball, which Wright lost. The rest of the time, he did nothing of significance and couldn't even hold his own against Big Baby.
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I think Collins has really slipped defensively...it seems like when ever he gets in the post he chooses not to get physical and just flops hoping for a charge. Honestly letting Big Baby victimize him in the paint was just horrible...how is he still in this rotation? We should at least let Magliore play for a week to bring his value up if Frank hates him so much.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Jan 12 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Jan 12 2008, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>we don't need a superstar player in here, we just need a shooter</div>

The whole Bucks roster is filled with em. We just have to give em somethin they want, and pick out the right shooter.
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I still with Jamal Magliore and a first rounder we can get a sixth man shooter in return
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Jan 12 2008, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>we don't need a superstar player in here, we just need a shooter</div>
The Nets just got one: Kiki Vandeweghe!
 
If we make some free throws, we win the game. Yes, we could use a shooter, but they are hard to get. One thing we can work on
for sure is free throws. They should all be shooting 200 a day. It's ridiculous. You can't be giving up 15 points at the foul line.
 
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