What about this trade with the Clips?

[Netted]

Marcus and #10 for #7?

It's no Elton Brand trade, but it get's the Clippers a PG without reaching for Augustine at #7 and allows them to use #10 on another need. Smart move for them and we get a shot at a better prospect. Maybe we can even get them to swap 2nd rounders too and move up from #40 to #35. So it could look like Marcus, #10 and #40 for #7 and #35. Seems fair.

 

[logik15]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ May 28 2008, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus and #10 for #7?

It's no Elton Brand trade, but it get's the Clippers a PG without reaching for Augustine at #7 and allows them to use #10 on another need. Smart move for them and we get a shot at a better prospect. Maybe we can even get them to swap 2nd rounders too and move up from #40 to #35. So it could look like Marcus, #10 and #40 for #7 and #35. Seems fair.</div>

i'd do it. i hope marcus isn't on our roster when training camp begins... his defense is just too bad

 

[cpawfan]

Wait, you are trying to convince the Clippers to move down 3 spots in the draft with Marcus Williams? That is laughable enough, but then please explain why any team would want Marcus over DJ

 

[Dark Defender]

I don't see why its laughable.

They've shown interest in Marcus Williams before and the guy is only 23 years old. Would they really get a better offer for the 7th pick?

What teams out there would give them a good prospect for a mid lottery pick?

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 28 2008, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait, you are trying to convince the Clippers to move down 3 spots in the draft with Marcus Williams? That is laughable enough, but then please explain why any team would want Marcus over DJ</div>
According to a lot of mocks #7 is a reach for Augustine so why not move down 3 spots and gain another player with potential for a spot your team has a desperate need to fill.


But since it's laughable on so many fronts maybe we should just lock this thread and stop the discussion all togther. I don't want to waste the time of the superior and more knowledgable posters on this board.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I could see Portland offering #13 and Jack along with one of their second rounders for #7

 

[Jizzy]

theyve probably realized how bad marcus is

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ May 28 2008, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>theyve probably realized how bad marcus is</div>
You use to worship at the altar of Marcus and attack anyone that said anything bad about him.

Oh how things change.

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 28 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I could see Portland offering #13 and Jack along with one of their second rounders for #7</div>

That's alot to give up to move up 6 spots... isn't it?

Or is that big a talent difference?

-Petey

 

[Dark Defender]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 28 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I could see Portland offering #13 and Jack along with one of their second rounders for #7</div>

Would they really?

They are young enough as it is and a veteran player would be more helpful than another rookie with no experience. Portland is a team I see going to the playoffs next season if Oden is healthy.

 

[Charles]

It's not as bad as people are making it out to be but I don't think the Clips would go for it. I think the biggest problem w/ Marcus is that he and Frank don't mesh well together at all. Not saying he's a starter or anything, but if it were a different coach I think a lot of people might have a different opinion.

If nothing else it would be pretty cool to see Marcus Williams passing to Marcus Williams!

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ May 28 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 28 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I could see Portland offering #13 and Jack along with one of their second rounders for #7</div>

Would they really?

They are young enough as it is and a veteran player would be more helpful than another rookie with no experience. Portland is a team I see going to the playoffs next season if Oden is healthy.
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Rudy is coming over next year (99% sure) which will take up Jacks minutes and he will bitch. Portland is going to move Jack this offseason and I could see them moving up 6 spots with him. The 2nd rounders are garbage anyways, we have like 3 of them and don't need them because we have too many players as it is.

Portland is looking for a SF or PG upgrade. They recently turned down Outlaw and 13 for Mike Miller that the grizzlies tried to offer. And Calderon is officially off the table because the Raptors have found people that are making offers for Ford. The only PG I see leftover that Portland would make a run for is Hinrich and if that doesnt work out you look at the draft. At #7 I could see Portland hoping for a guy like Bayless, Mayo, Gordon to fall. If none of them fall then Westbrook is the pick.

Moving up 6 spots and nabbing Gordon, Bayless or Mayo is worth it for Portland IMO if all they give up is Jack.

 

[Dark Defender]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 28 2008, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ May 28 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 28 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I could see Portland offering #13 and Jack along with one of their second rounders for #7</div>

Would they really?

They are young enough as it is and a veteran player would be more helpful than another rookie with no experience. Portland is a team I see going to the playoffs next season if Oden is healthy.
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Rudy is coming over next year (99% sure) which will take up Jacks minutes and he will bitch. Portland is going to move Jack this offseason and I could see them moving up 6 spots with him. The 2nd rounders are garbage anyways, we have like 3 of them and don't need them because we have too many players as it is.

Portland is looking for a SF or PG upgrade. They recently turned down Outlaw and 13 for Mike Miller that the grizzlies tried to offer. And Calderon is officially off the table because the Raptors have found people that are making offers for Ford. The only PG I see leftover that Portland would make a run for is Hinrich and if that doesnt work out you look at the draft. At #7 I could see Portland hoping for a guy like Bayless, Mayo, Gordon to fall. If none of them fall then Westbrook is the pick.

Moving up 6 spots and nabbing Gordon, Bayless or Mayo is worth it for Portland IMO if all they give up is Jack.
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There is a good chance none of those players will be there at 7.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ May 28 2008, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 28 2008, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ May 28 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ May 28 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I could see Portland offering #13 and Jack along with one of their second rounders for #7</div>

Would they really?

They are young enough as it is and a veteran player would be more helpful than another rookie with no experience. Portland is a team I see going to the playoffs next season if Oden is healthy.
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Rudy is coming over next year (99% sure) which will take up Jacks minutes and he will bitch. Portland is going to move Jack this offseason and I could see them moving up 6 spots with him. The 2nd rounders are garbage anyways, we have like 3 of them and don't need them because we have too many players as it is.

Portland is looking for a SF or PG upgrade. They recently turned down Outlaw and 13 for Mike Miller that the grizzlies tried to offer. And Calderon is officially off the table because the Raptors have found people that are making offers for Ford. The only PG I see leftover that Portland would make a run for is Hinrich and if that doesnt work out you look at the draft. At #7 I could see Portland hoping for a guy like Bayless, Mayo, Gordon to fall. If none of them fall then Westbrook is the pick.

Moving up 6 spots and nabbing Gordon, Bayless or Mayo is worth it for Portland IMO if all they give up is Jack.
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There is a good chance none of those players will be there at 7.
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Which is why I said Westbrook could be the guy if those guys aren't there. Gallinari could be an option as well.

I think at least one of those 3 guys will drop though, most likely Gordon.

 

[User01]

Marcus is better than Jack anyway.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ May 28 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus is better than Jack anyway.</div>

If you say so......

A guy that shoots 38% from the field isn't very valuable IMO

 

[User01]

Jack is a mediocre bench player, always will be. Marcus is already better than him at passing and rebounding, and has a lot more potential.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ May 28 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jack is a mediocre bench player, always will be. Marcus is already better than him at passing and rebounding, and has a lot more potential.</div>

Is that why he got votes for 6th man of the year?

Quit being biased. Both of them have horrible assist to turnover ratios so your claim of him being a better passer is off.

And like I said, 38% shooting is horrible.

 

[NOMAM]

Kevin Love is the guy that I really want the Nets to get if they trade up in the draft and decide to keep the pick.

 

[logik15]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ May 28 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kevin Love is the guy that I really want the Nets to get if they trade up in the draft and decide to keep the pick.</div>

agreed... people around the 10 spot don't really intrigue me... besides love who i hope falls down there or somehow we get up there. but there are intrigueing prospects at #21... i'd wanna pick up CDR if he's avaialble there. some sleepers that we should consider taking early are bill walker and lester hudson

 

[Lavalamp]

Why do they need Love when they have Swift, Nachbar, Krstic, Boone, and Swat? Will he be a significant enough upgrade over all of those players to pick him?

 

[ghoti]

They don't have Nachbar or Krstic yet and the other three guys are nowhere near the scorer Love is.

 

[logik15]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ May 28 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do they need Love when they have Swift, Nachbar, Krstic, Boone, and Swat? Will he be a significant enough upgrade over all of those players to pick him?</div>

Love is a post threat... are any one of our bigs a post threat? not really. he is also a big body that we can throw on other big bodies and someone that can set solid picks.

 

[GrandKenyon6]

This trade is essentially trading #7 for #10 because Marcus Williams is a nothing without absolutely no value. It would be nice if the Clippers were that foolish. Btw, Jack is 950 times the player Williams is.

 

[dino33]

Jack is an energy off the bench
Marcus does not have any energy

Jack hustles and dives for loose balls
Marcus always seems like hes tired

I'd say because Jack plays with more energy he's more valuable than Marcus.

The only advantage of marcus is that although he turns the ball over, he seems like a good passer.

 

[Astral]

Marcus isn't as bad as everyone makes him sound.

But there's no way he's worth moving up 3 spots. If we combine 10th and 21st, we may be able to move up to 7th or 8th. Marcus isn't worth the 21st at this point.

 

[infinet]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ May 28 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ May 28 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kevin Love is the guy that I really want the Nets to get if they trade up in the draft and decide to keep the pick.</div>

agreed... people around the 10 spot don't really intrigue me...
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Forget Love. I would Love to get Darrell Arthur at the #10 pick.

Him and SWAT patrolling the paint would make anyone who wants to drive to the basket on us think twice. I think of all the players around the 10 spot, he's the best.

Here are my top choices at #10 pick:

1. Darrell Arthur
2. Russell Westbrook
3. Anthony Randolph
4. Danilo Gallinari

 

[logik15]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ May 29 2008, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ May 28 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ May 28 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kevin Love is the guy that I really want the Nets to get if they trade up in the draft and decide to keep the pick.</div>

agreed... people around the 10 spot don't really intrigue me...
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Forget Love. I would Love to get Darrell Arthur at the #10 pick.

Him and SWAT patrolling the paint would make anyone who wants to drive to the basket on us think twice. I think of all the players around the 10 spot, he's the best.

Here are my top choices at #10 pick:

1. Darrell Arthur
2. Russell Westbrook
3. Anthony Randolph
4. Danilo Gallinari
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how can you have arthur ahead of randolph... arthur isn't that special to warrant above randolph and love. You say him and SWAT may make people think twice about driving to the basket but both are undersized to guard the howards / boozers / amare's of the league. We'll have no low post defender. Arthur's blocks and Love's are comparable so its not like he'll be that much more of a factor. Love addresses two of our biggest needs... a low post scorer to run our offense around and a low post defender. Arthur just adds to our weak frontcourt in terms of defense. If anyone i'd pick Love or Randolph just because randolph is still young and has a lot of talent.