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theprunetang said:
There are also soooooooo many different and slightly varying denominations. We may have circled in different types of churches.
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Totally fair. That also means there are probably some that lean left. In the current state of affairs I seriously have a hard time understanding why a Christian would support Trump it doesnt make sense to me. Maybe thats the wrong terminology, theres a ton of reasons why someone would “vote” for someone but why so much of the evangelical right seems so infatuated with him, Im not sure. My guess is its because there was an R by his name and his anti abortion stances, but in terms of what Christians profess to believe in he stomps all over that everyday it seems like in my opinion anyways.
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
Totally fair. That also means there are probably some that lean left. In the current state of affairs I seriously have a hard time understanding why a Christian would support Trump it doesnt make sense to me. Maybe thats the wrong terminology, theres a ton of reasons why someone would “vote” for someone but why so much of the evangelical right seems so infatuated with him, Im not sure. My guess is its because there was an R by his name and his anti abortion stances, but in terms of what Christian profess to believe in he stomps all over that everyday it seems like in my opinion anyways.
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100% agree. But I've already stated this enough here. No need to write more about it and have the same people ignore it all over again. Haha
 
theprunetang said:
100% agree. But I've already stated this enough here. No need to write more about it and have the same people ignore it all over again. Haha
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Honestly... It seems like there are a lot of people here who are just very angry at “Christians” and I understand it, because again my opinion but it seems really hypocritical to preach all this stuff is, “sin”, and try take the Bible and try to make arguments that certain laws need to be made because of what the Bible says especially when its just a means to legislate their version of morality, but then turn around and support someone who lies, cheats, sleeps with porn stars, all that stuff, like apparently all that stuff is actually ok.

It just makes me sad though... anyways sorry I digress.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
My dad was a pastor in several churches growing up, until he resigned when I was 17. I spent a lot of time traveling around in different churches as well, I dont remember any pressure to vote one way or another. I was what most people considered a pretty hardcore atheist until I was 25, but thats not really important to this. Im 100% sure that some churches do in fact pressure their members to vote certain ways. Not sure if its, “most”, or what the percentages are. Just my experience has been different I suppose.
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You've never been to the deep South.
 
theprunetang said:
I grew up in a Pentecostal church environment. We were told all of the time, basically on a weekly basis to vote Republican. And it isn't just the church I went to. This happens at pretty much every evangelical church in the country.
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Did it work?
 
MarAzul said:
Did it work?
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For the majority of my community, yes. For my siblings, and I, no. In fact, it was things like that that drove my sisters and I away from the church.
 
It's not ok for a Church to chime in about the "president" but it's ok for the fake christian "president" to fake bible thump at his rallies and on twitter? Ok, got it.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Where was that implied here...?
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MarAzul said:
It really makes zero sense to fund and organization that slanders the duly elected President, as part of it's shtick, just like most of S2 gang or CNN.
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MarAzul said:
Let them go on CNN and go for it. Although, most actual ethical churches avoid that sort of thing.
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I've never heard the Trump supporters condemn his fake christianity. It's a double standard. But that's their thing, so whatever.
 
Just to clarify... I don't have a problem with someone professing to believe something and trying to live by that world view, I don't have a problem with politicians doing it. What I don't like is the fake version where it's simply just political and gets people of that group all excited to vote for them simply because of the world view they're espousing but not attempting to live by. Don't tell me your an Atheist, or a Christian, or a Catholic, or anything in that regards if it's just for political gain, if it's just to rile up a group of supporters and all that stuff, I'd rather they left that crap at home.
I also don't expect "perfection", I think we all fail to meet our own expectations at times, but in this case Trump doesn't even make an attempt at a "Christian" lifestyle, so touting the Bible and Christianity is just fake by him to get support, at least that's my opinion.
 
The Professional Fan said:
I've never heard the Trump supporters condemn his fake christianity.
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I would not think of rendering a judgement on the President's Christianity or anyone else. I have no qualifications to make such a judgement. Even if I did, I have no need to do so.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Just to clarify... I don't have a problem with someone professing to believe something and trying to live by that world view, I don't have a problem with politicians doing it. What I don't like is the fake version where it's simply just political and gets people of that group all excited to vote for them simply because of the world view they're espousing but not attempting to live by. Don't tell me your an Atheist, or a Christian, or a Catholic, or anything in that regards if it's just for political gain, if it's just to rile up a group of supporters and all that stuff, I'd rather they left that crap at home.
I also don't expect "perfection", I think we all fail to meet our own expectations at times, but in this case Trump doesn't even make an attempt at a "Christian" lifestyle, so touting the Bible and Christianity is just fake by him to get support, at least that's my opinion.
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Who could possibly disagree with this?
 
MarAzul said:
I would not think of rendering a judgement on the President's Christianity or anyone else. I have no qualifications to make such a judgement. Even if I did, I have no need to do so.
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But I'm sure you rendered judgement on Obama's citizenship
 
The Professional Fan said:
But I'm sure you rendered judgement on Obama's citizenship
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Yes, his birth certificate proved he was a citizen, born in Hawaii. It also proves he was not a natural born citizen as his father was a British subject.

How do you conflate the two questions?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Churches should pay taxes.
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They provide services for our disadvantaged population that the government would otherwise have to provide.
Yes, some churches ought to pay taxes, because they do little to nothing for the disadvantaged, but how do you single them out?
 
Lanny said:
They provide services for our disadvantaged population that the government would otherwise have to provide.
Yes, some churches ought to pay taxes, because they do little to nothing for the disadvantaged, but how do you single them out?
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They can deduct it off their taxes.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
They can deduct it off their taxes.
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Deduct what? How do you estimate the value of providing hot meals to those who can't or won't leave home? How do you value a visit to someone in the hospital? How do you value volunteers' efforts in building homes for the homeless or helping Boy Scouts on their camping trips? I just don't see how you value all that a church does for people.
 
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