What are your beliefs on religion, god?

[SlyPokerDog]

So you deny the christian belief in the holy spirit?

How long have you had your Blue Heeler?

 

[MadeFromDust]

That has everything to do with matter being created. His argument that, nothing can't create something, and yet there was no matter, and now there is matter.

Yes, and now we're trying to figure out why that matter is there and how it came to be there, why it wasn't always there and why it won't always be there.

 

[TripTango]

Question... With what we know now; can matter be created from non matter?

Absolutely. Happens every day, in fact.

E = mc^2 --> m = E/c^2

 

[Eastoff]

What happened 13.7 billion years ago according to most secular modern scientific beliefs? Did the raw materials for that singularity create themselves, or were they created and by something beyond them? If it came from nothing, why can't God come from nothing? I don't believe it, but I'd say that is much more reasonable given what we see and observe. No one has yet to show how something can come from nothing and give empirical evidence for it. People throw out wild rhetorics and baseless theories to attempt to escape the implications of these crucial truths, but they are just asking you to believe it by blind faith no more than you claim religious people do. In fact more so, because it goes against all logic and evidence there is actually more evidence historically and scientifically that Christianity is true.

 

[Denny Crane]

Your mistake is assuming that nothing is void of anything. In other words, there is no such thing as "nothing" in absolute terms.

 

[Eastoff]

How long have you had your Blue Heeler?

5.5 months old, we've had him since he was 8 weeks.

 

[MadeFromDust]

Science describes something that transcends matter (pair production), time (general relativity) and space (general relativity and expansion of space at an accelerated rate). That is not god.

How do you know? We can combine evidence we know. Everything explained by Christianity needs to be explained independently and separately by atheism and it just keeps getting weirder and weirder and more inconceivable the more you try and break it down.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

5.5 months old, we've had him since he was 8 weeks.

Have you ever had one before? Do you know anyone who owns one?

 

[MadeFromDust]

So the things on the right side do not exist? How do you know that is an accurate representation of the other side if we cannot see or observe them?

 

[magnifier661]

We are one with God in that we are children of God, but we are not a part of God. God is infinitely transcendent from us.

See I disagree with this. A child of man will always have a part of the father and mother in them until they die. A child of god will always have god in them until they die; which will never happen; therefor we will always be with god. Eventually we become one with god after our flesh dies.

 

[MadeFromDust]

Your mistake is assuming that nothing is void of anything. In other words, there is no such thing as "nothing" in absolute terms.

Please define "nothing" for me. And again, you are making assumptions, how do you know there is no such thing as nothing in absolute terms?

 

[Eastoff]

Have you ever had one before? Do you know anyone who owns one?

This is the first heeler I and fiancee have owned. I do not know anyone else that owns a heeler.

 

[Eastoff]

So the things on the right side do not exist? How do you know that is an accurate representation of the other side if we cannot see or observe them?

the black lines on the left represent particle paths. the picture on the right, green and red are overlays of the tracks. the electron path is the particle we know, the positron path is the same particle but with a 1e charge instead of a -1e charge.

e: the interesting part is that the particles just suddenly appear out of no where. you can see momentum is conserved because they spin out form each other in exactly opposite directions.

 

[drexlersdad]

say there was a being that could appear in any form, speak to you in your head, cause floods and lightning, etc

say that being created the oceans, and every living thing on earth

would that being, without doubt, be god?

 

[MadeFromDust]

See I disagree with this. A child of man will always have a part of the father and mother in them until they die. A child of god will always have god in them until they die; which will never happen; therefor we will always be with god. Eventually we become one with god after our flesh dies.

You mean morph with God or something, like some Brahman stuff? I believe that God's Spirit is within us and is in and through all that He created, but it is not part of what He created. We and this universe could cease to exist and God would continue to exist.

 

[MadeFromDust]

the black lines on the left represent particle paths. the picture on the right, green and red are overlays of the tracks. the electron path is the particle we know, the positron path is the same particle but with a 1e charge instead of a -1e charge.

So on the right side of the chart are the particles ceasing to exist according to this theory?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

FUCK UM, what some take on faith, others feel the need to mock

 

[Denny Crane]

Absolutely. Happens every day, in fact.

E = mc^2 --> m = E/c^2

Where does it happen?

 

[MadeFromDust]

say there was a being that could appear in any form, speak to you in your head, cause floods and lightning, etc

say that being created the oceans, and every living thing on earth

would that being, without doubt, be god?

That or random cosmic explosion did it. Based what I see with the intricacy of life and DNA, the logic of causation, the subject of morality, and many other facts about things we know, it is air tight that there is a Creator. And when we combine that with the historical evidence available for Christianity and the Bible as a whole we are able to prove that the God of the Bible is Creator to anyone with an open and willing mind. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is the first heeler I and fiancee have owned. I do not know anyone else that owns a heeler.

Heelers are a ton of work. They are the ultimate energy dog. I had neighbors who had 2 heelers. They would train for triathlons and would take the dogs with them. The running, biking, even swimming those dogs would be right there. They can run for hours.

They're an outside dog who needs a huge yard and something to keep them busy.

 

[drexlersdad]

FUCK UM, what some take on faith, others feel the need to mock

meanwhile believers mock atheists

kinda like "bushs fault" vs "if bush did this"

 

[Denny Crane]

Please define "nothing" for me. And again, you are making assumptions, how do you know there is no such thing as nothing in absolute terms?

There is no place, anywhere that you can find absolute nothing. Even nothing is made of something.

In a perfect vacuum, if you could find one, the vacuum itself is something.

Specifically it is a balance of matter and antimatter that cancel each other out. The two can be separated, creating matter from "nothing" after all.

 

[magnifier661]

Trip tango!!! Missed ya man! Energy is matter. Without energy that can't happen. About your e=mc2

 

[Eastoff]

say there was a being that could appear in any form, speak to you in your head, cause floods and lightning, etc

say that being created the oceans, and every living thing on earth

would that being, without doubt, be god?

No. It sure would sound like a god though.

 

[drexlersdad]

That or random cosmic explosion did it. Based what I see with the intricacy of life and DNA, the logic of causation, the subject of morality, and many other facts about things we know, it is air tight that there is a Creator.

right, so whos to say "the creator" isnt an alien? seems like an advanced race would be able to do all those things

And when we combine that with the historical evidence available for Christianity and the Bible as a whole we are able to prove that the God of the Bible is Creator to anyone

no

 

[MadeFromDust]

There is no place, anywhere that you can find absolute nothing. Even nothing is made of something.

In a perfect vacuum, if you could find one, the vacuum itself is something.

Specifically it is a balance of matter and antimatter that cancel each other out. The two can be separated, creating matter from "nothing" after all.

And you realize none if this can be empirically proven, correct? I don't even agree with your methodology either or what "nothing" even. For me nothing is the absence of anything, and I think logic would agree on me with that.

 

[Eastoff]

So on the right side of the chart are the particles ceasing to exist according to this theory?

No, both sides of the chart are the same thing. One is just colored pretty. The particles are coming from no where and making a spiral.

 

[TripTango]

Where does it happen?

Particle accelerators, for one example. It takes ridiculous amounts of energy, though, and the particles produced don't last long. But it definitely happens.

Of course, Mags was probably including energy in his question, so I was mostly teasing.

 

[crowTrobot]

What happened 13.7 billion years ago according to most secular modern scientific beliefs? Did the raw materials for that singularity create themselves, or were they created and by something beyond them?

most astrophysicists would say it's likely they already existed. also most would say it has not been established that there was a singularity at all, and we won't be able to know what the big bang was until we understand quantum gravity.

If it came from nothing, why can't God come from nothing? I don't believe it, but I'd say that is much more reasonable given what we see and observe. No one has yet to show how something can come from nothing and give empirical evidence for it. People throw out wild rhetorics and baseless theories to attempt to escape the implications of these crucial truths, but they are just asking you to believe it by blind faith no more than you claim religious people do. In fact more so, because it goes against all logic and evidence there is actually more evidence historically and scientifically that Christianity is true.

that was a lot of work for a straw man.

 

[MadeFromDust]

right, so whos to say "the creator" isnt an alien? seems like an advanced race would be able to do all those things

An alien? You mean like an alien within the universe and created by the universe or an alien with the properties of God being immaterial, eternal and omnipresent? So basically, God.

no

yes