What do Sarah Palin and Fifth graders...

[ABM]

If she's not connecting with you, ABM....

I never said she wasn't connecting. I simply said I thought she wasn't presidential material. Cheerleader? Sure. Head of the team? Hmmm.........

 

[jlprk]

?? That made no sense at all.

Remember Ferrarro (or however it's spelled)? She was just as bad, if not worse than Palin, and she made money giving speeches for a few years before her idiocy ran its course.

You remember Ferarro? I don't think you're old enough. She was just as bad as Palin? Huh? She was on key congressional commitees, not resigning from an Alaska job because it was too big for her. She was a lawyer, not a journalism major. Her husband was a corporate leader in New York City, not a logger or whatever Mr. Palin is.

 

[deception]

I never said she wasn't connecting. I simply said I thought she wasn't presidential material. Cheerleader? Sure. Head of the team? Hmmm.........

here's a question: if she throws her cheerleader arse in the ring in 2012 and she doesnt win the nomination- dont u think the teabaggers will be jilted by the whole ordeal and turn against the republican nominee? many ppl except that if she runs, she will split the vote with huckabee (sp.) and a moderate like romney would benefit most from that split. can a teabagger get behind a well spoken, moderate, elitist like a romney, particularly when palin loses out to him?

 

[julius]

In other words, the network that virtually everyone is watching? Dang, she's smarter than I thought.

You might want to look up what the phrase "virtually" and "everyone" means. Because while they might have the best numbers in the cable news business, they're still small potatoes compared to regular shows on ABC, CBS and NBC.

Does that mean then, that Brian Williams or Katie Couric are smarter than everyone on Fox News, because they have significantly higher ratings than Fox news?

Coast To Coast has something like 500 affiliates. Does that mean that because their #'s are so high, the people on the show have more credibility?

Pro Wrestling has a big following, does that mean that (insert whoever is their big guy right now) is important?

Hell, Bill O's show has worse #s than wrestling. And Fox is no different then Vince McMahon, because he puts people on his show(s), that will give him the biggest bang for his buck. Fox is no different.

 

[julius]

?? That made no sense at all.

She's still relevant because she recently ran on a ticket to be VP of the USA. Remember Ferrarro (or however it's spelled)? She was just as bad, if not worse than Palin, and she made money giving speeches for a few years before her idiocy ran its course. Give Palin time. She'll too fade away.

So, it made no sense but you basically just repeated what I said.

Ferraro made people money, which is why she was kept around giving speeches...until her 15 minutes were up. No different than Palin is.

How is that not exactly what I said?

 

[ABM]

You might want to look up what the phrase "virtually" and "everyone" means. Because while they might have the best numbers in the cable news business, they're still small potatoes compared to regular shows on ABC, CBS and NBC.

Thing is, the letters news programs have a very narrow time window, Whereas, Fox News pulls in viewership all evening long..................

 

[julius]

Thing is, the letters news programs have a very narrow time window, Whereas, Fox News pulls in viewership all evening long..................

Yah, but their #'s aren't nearly as impressive as you think. Fox isn't the highest rated cable station or even close. And I'm not sure why because they claim they're a 'news station', that it matters.

They are the highest news channel, but USA, ESPN and Disney are higher rated. And TNT is barely behind Fox.


USA 3.3
ESPN 2.7
Disney 2.5
Fox News 2.4
TNT 2.2
Nick at Nite 1.9
A&E 1.8
TBS 1.7
ABC Family 1.5
FX 1.4


And if you take into effect the % changes from the previous weeks, (USA +3% from last year, ESPN + 49%, Disney +14% (no idea why), Fox +21% you can see that it's not as close as one would think. The USA Network kicks everyones ass.

But it doesn't make USA more credible, it just makes USA more profitable (same with Fox).

ratings

 

[Denny Crane]

Remember when the teleprompter mysteriously failed early in Clinton's State of the Union, but he brilliantly gave the speech from memory? He carried on for half an hour before it worked again.

Remember when Bush was in a debate and he seemed mechanical and hesitant in his answers, even more so than usual? Photographs showed a rectangular object on his back, under his shirt. His speechwriters were transmitting answers to him. It was a big thing for a few days. Then the media never mentioned it again, so everyone forgot. The media has a much shorter memory for Republican shenanigans than Democratic ones.

Does he have to? Or does he choose to?
Obviously, it's safer to have the teleprompter there in case you lose concentration, and obviously, it's more efficient to have the teleprompter there, because then you don't have to spend as much time memorizing your speech. So why wouldn't a rational speaker, given the choice, have a teleprompter?

I suspect that given enough time and effort, Obama could deliver a speech without a teleprompter. For that matter, I bet either Bush could too. As could Clinton. And certainly Reagan.

Not so sure about Palin, though.



If lengthy extemporaneous presidential speaking is the goal, then I'd say there's not much hope. But I'm not sure that's a problem. There are plenty of opportunities to hear presidents speak unscripted; they don't need to give entire speeches without teleprompters for us to know how they react.

barfo

Pretty amazing she only needs 3 words written on her hand to make it through a long speech.

Also amazing that Obama gets a pass using the teleprompter because it is good for keeping him from losing his concentration (whatever), but it's not OK for Palin to have her three main talking points written on her hand?

 

[Sug]

She shouldn't be relevant. Hard to say why she still appears to be.

Let's see, a group of people that believe that Jesus founded the United States following a woman who says it is a divine calling for her to run for president. In most countries we call these people fringe crazies, in the US we call them republicans.

 

[julius]

Pretty amazing she only needs 3 words written on her hand to make it through a long speech.

Also amazing that Obama gets a pass using the teleprompter because it is good for keeping him from losing his concentration (whatever), but it's not OK for Palin to have her three main talking points written on her hand?

It's not like they were difficult words, or tough subject matter words though.

 

[ABM]

Yah, but their #'s aren't nearly as impressive as you think. Fox isn't the highest rated cable station or even close. And I'm not sure why because they claim they're a 'news station', that it matters.

They are the highest news channel, but USA, ESPN and Disney are higher rated. And TNT is barely behind Fox.


USA 3.3
ESPN 2.7
Disney 2.5
Fox News 2.4
TNT 2.2
Nick at Nite 1.9
A&E 1.8
TBS 1.7
ABC Family 1.5
FX 1.4


And if you take into effect the % changes from the previous weeks, (USA +3% from last year, ESPN + 49%, Disney +14% (no idea why), Fox +21% you can see that it's not as close as one would think. The USA Network kicks everyones ass.

But it doesn't make USA more credible, it just makes USA more profitable (same with Fox).

ratings

Gee, I guess I don't know squat about all this. Consequently, Palin certainly isn't as relevant as I had thought.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's not like they were difficult words, ore tough subject matter words though.

When you're speaking off the top of your head, as she seems to be doing lately, it makes sense that she wants to touch on all three topics, and likely in that order.

I've done a bit of public speaking. When I first started doing it, I'd write out my speeches and read from them, but felt like I wasn't talking to the crowd but reading from my speech. Then I wrote out my talking points and only looked at them from time to time while speaking from what I know. It worked a lot better the second way.

 

[Denny Crane]

Gee, I guess I don't know squat about all this. Consequently, Palin certainly isn't as relevant as I had thought.

Fox News has terrific ratings for Cable News. It's not surprising that a lot of people tune out politics when it isn't close to an important election. USA Network shows reruns of network programs, and those are quite entertaining (like House), as well as some quality original shows.

It's hardly irrelevant that Fox dominates Cable News because their viewers are politically aware and interested even when it isn't close to an important election. Contrast with Air America.

 

[barfo]

When you're speaking off the top of your head, as she seems to be doing lately, it makes sense that she wants to touch on all three topics, and likely in that order.

I've done a bit of public speaking. When I first started doing it, I'd write out my speeches and read from them, but felt like I wasn't talking to the crowd but reading from my speech. Then I wrote out my talking points and only looked at them from time to time while speaking from what I know. It worked a lot better the second way.

Denny, did you write your talking points on your hand? Do you think maybe your audience should have laughed at you if you had?

I've done a bit of public speaking as recently as Friday. My palms are clean.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Denny, did you write your talking points on your hand? Do you think maybe your audience should have laughed at you if you had?

I've done a bit of public speaking as recently as Friday. My palms are clean.

barfo

I might have written things on my hands if I didn't want my speech to look like I memorized it or was reading off cue cards or index cards.

 

[ABM]

if she runs, she will split the vote with huckabee (sp.) and a moderate like romney would benefit most from that split. can a teabagger get behind a well spoken, moderate, elitist like a romney, particularly when palin loses out to him?

I've wondered what a Romney/Huckabee ticket might yield. Huckabee would probably be Mr. Vice Prez. However, that certainly would be a major upgrade to the current #2.

 

[jlprk]

Fox dominates Cable News because their viewers are politically aware and interested even when it isn't close to an important election. Contrast with Air America.

As we can tell from actual elections (Democrats get the majority of votes), media ratings (Fox leads) are not in proportion to what people really believe.

Air America had a lot harder time getting conservative industry to pay them for ads than Fox does. But if the people voted for networks in ballots, it would be different. The "votes" that TV networks get are either from corporate leaders making advertising decisions, or from the minority of voters who have lots of spare time to act like kids and watch a lot of TV. The working class is too busy focused upon survival to watch any news channel.

 

[barfo]

I might have written things on my hands if I didn't want my speech to look like I memorized it or was reading off cue cards or index cards.

You might have? Did you, or didn't you?

And do you think that reading it off your hand is superior to memorizing it or reading off cue cards or index cards?

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

I really don't understand why Nailin Palin is still a topic of news... who cares... she lost and now she's just trying to make a buck. I can't blame her. She has no shot at ever being considered a legitimate candidate again, so why do Liberals continue to harp away on her? Honestly, I have zero faith that the Republicans will be able to muster a decent candidate because of the party stance on gay marriage, abortion, and things like stem cell research. If there was ever a chance for a third party, now would be it. Obama is losing popularity (there's actually kids with anti-Obama booths at PSU) and the Republicans have completely lost site of what the party used to stand for.

 

[Stevenson]

When you're speaking off the top of your head, as she seems to be doing lately, it makes sense that she wants to touch on all three topics, and likely in that order.

I've done a bit of public speaking. When I first started doing it, I'd write out my speeches and read from them, but felt like I wasn't talking to the crowd but reading from my speech. Then I wrote out my talking points and only looked at them from time to time while speaking from what I know. It worked a lot better the second way.

Gotta defend you and Palin on this one bro. I speak a lot too and will often bring a notecard up with a few key phrases. But she shouldn't have written it on her had. Amateurish.

PowerPoints are usually nothing more than on-screen crib sheets actually.

 

[maxiep]

I've done a bit of public speaking as recently as Friday. My palms are clean.

barfo

It's my understanding that Vasoline rubbed vigorously is an excellent ink remover.

 

[MrJayremmie]

LOL I did that during my high school graduation when I had to speak in front of everyone. I thanked people and wrote them on my palm to remember.

Good times. I was high as shit, but I still did well.

 

[Denny Crane]

You might have? Did you, or didn't you?

And do you think that reading it off your hand is superior to memorizing it or reading off cue cards or index cards?

barfo

Yeah, I wrote things on my hand more than once. I didn't have all the entourage around me like a public figure like Palin does, and I could easily see index cards getting lost or coffee spilled on them, someone wanting to see them and messing them up, etc.

 

[Denny Crane]

Gotta defend you and Palin on this one bro. I speak a lot too and will often bring a notecard up with a few key phrases. But she shouldn't have written it on her had. Amateurish.

PowerPoints are usually nothing more than on-screen crib sheets actually.

I've used powerpoint presentations as well, but I find myself literally reading what's on them and it's frustrating because I know my audience can just as easily read them. On the other hand, when I've given presentations over the phone, they're quite handy.

 

[deception]

Pretty amazing she only needs 3 words written on her hand to make it through a long speech.

Also amazing that Obama gets a pass using the teleprompter because it is good for keeping him from losing his concentration (whatever), but it's not OK for Palin to have her three main talking points written on her hand?

i hope u're not serious. palin didnt elaborate on those three words into some complex policy positions, no, she just mentioned them and hoped they would score points with that partisan crowd of like minded morons. if she cant remember them- she's not fit to be president of the pta.

and here's fox news' demographic- old, stupid and with a lot time on their hands. most ppl are busying working and paying taxes- these teabaggers are busy sauntering their fat arses across d.c and squandering tax payer dollars in the process. any teabagger outing is just an excuse for them to get off their fat arses and away from the tv set. i applaud them for getting some exercise because at the end it might save the american health care system millions in dealing with their morbidly obese carcases.

also, i have an idea for teabaggers: maybe in their next "for profit" event- they should collect a fund for the next municipality they invade, so that respective city could pay for the all the police officers and cleanup crews needed to accommodate their mass protest. at the end- its all about taxes and fiscal restraint, right?

 

[speeds]

I think its likely that she knew the questions that were going to be asked of her in advance.

Also, she made a joke about Obama's teleprompter use during this engagement. With the notes on her hand.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

You remember Ferarro? I don't think you're old enough. She was just as bad as Palin? Huh? She was on key congressional commitees, not resigning from an Alaska job because it was too big for her. She was a lawyer, not a journalism major. Her husband was a corporate leader in New York City, not a logger or whatever Mr. Palin is.

The point I was making, the VALID point I was making, is that both are women, both were VP candidates on the losing tickets, both made hay with speeches for a year or two after the election and just as Ferarro faded into obscurity, so will Palin. And, like Ferarro, Palin is a bit of a whack job- and yes I'm more than old enough to remember her- I just don't worship her.

 

[maxiep]

There are different kinds of intelligence. There's raw intellect, which you see in academics. They can understand the most complex and nuanced of ideas. Of course, most of them can't tie their shoes.

You then have those who are socially intelligent. Those people generally end up in sales positions because they can read people and know just what to say to connect.

Finally, you then have common sense intelligence. Those people generally become small business owners or leaders in the private sector. They may not be able to tell you the theory behind how things work, but they can see trends and capitalize on them. They don't get lost in the details and can see things in black and white. They boil things down to their simplest issues and tackle problems in a logical way.

You have the rare politician who has all three, like Bill Clinton. Ronald Reagan had the second and the third. Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama are primarily the first. Sarah Palin is like a really lazy Ronald Reagan. She possesses the second for a wide swath of the country and has the third in spades. Her problem is that she hasn't worked hard enough to learn the basics. Once she does, she'll likely arrive at a common sense solution that will frustrate the intellectuals. Until then, she's really not suited to hold national office (just like our current President).

 

[STOMP]

When you're speaking off the top of your head, as she seems to be doing lately, it makes sense that she wants to touch on all three topics, and likely in that order.

I've done a bit of public speaking. When I first started doing it, I'd write out my speeches and read from them, but felt like I wasn't talking to the crowd but reading from my speech. Then I wrote out my talking points and only looked at them from time to time while speaking from what I know. It worked a lot better the second way.

there is nothing wrong with using a teleprompter/index cards/etc... when making a speech. But mocking someone else for doing so while secretly using your own crutch makes you a hypocrite.

having your cheat sheet scribbled on your hand just makes the hypocrisy funny in a pathetic sort of way

I really don't understand why Nailin Palin is still a topic of news... who cares... she lost and now she's just trying to make a buck. I can't blame her. She has no shot at ever being considered a legitimate candidate again, so why do Liberals continue to harp away on her?

why do people cause huge traffic backups to rubberneck a minor fender bender on the side of the road? You're the guy who passes the accident and thinks... I just lost an hour of my life because of this!?!

I'm sure that there are still some people who think that she has Presidential potential, but most people who still gawk at her just want to be up on water cooler subjects... I'm sure this group contains a decent percentage of voters from every political bent

STOMP

 

[barfo]

There are different kinds of intelligence. There's raw intellect, which you see in academics. They can understand the most complex and nuanced of ideas. Of course, most of them can't tie their shoes.

You then have those who are socially intelligent. Those people generally end up in sales positions because they can read people and know just what to say to connect.

Finally, you then have common sense intelligence. Those people generally become small business owners or leaders in the private sector. They may not be able to tell you the theory behind how things work, but they can see trends and capitalize on them. They don't get lost in the details and can see things in black and white. They boil things down to their simplest issues and tackle problems in a logical way.

You have the rare politician who has all three, like Bill Clinton. Ronald Reagan had the second and the third. Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama are primarily the first. Sarah Palin is like a really lazy Ronald Reagan. She possesses the second for a wide swath of the country and has the third in spades. Her problem is that she hasn't worked hard enough to learn the basics. Once she does, she'll likely arrive at a common sense solution that will frustrate the intellectuals. Until then, she's really not suited to hold national office (just like our current President).

I agree with your analysis completely, except I don't see much of the third in Palin, whereas you see it in spades. What are the things she's done that indicate to you that she has common sense?

barfo