Politics what happens if a future presidential election is hacked?

[lawai'a]

a potential constitutional crisis is what. presently,our constitution lacks a mechanism to deal with an election in which the vote tallies have been manipulated to elect a president. after the electoral college votes, about a month after the election, there is nothing written about how to decertify the results, or what the process should be, if the tampering is discovered later.http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...lection/ar-AAtkZaG?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
the potential for the hacking of a US general election seem to increase daily as both foreign and domestic incidents of breaches ( the voting data of 90,000 illinios registered voters for instance) seem to crop up in the news every day. Russia this, north korea that, iran this, china that. the article linked is written by a couple of yale law students and seems both current and topical in light of the most recent election's controversys.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

a potential constitutional crisis is what. presently,our constitution lacks a mechanism to deal with an election in which the vote tallies have been manipulated to elect a president. after the electoral college votes, about a month after the election, there is nothing written about how to decertify the results, or what the process should be, if the tampering is discovered later.http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...lection/ar-AAtkZaG?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
the potential for the hacking of a US general election seem to increase daily as both foreign and domestic incidents of breaches ( the voting data of 90,000 illinios registered voters for instance) seem to crop up in the news every day. Russia this, north korea that, iran this, china that. the article linked is written by a couple of yale law students and seems both current and topical in light of the most recent election's controversys.

As long as it's the result you want it's cool.

 

[lawai'a]

As long as it's the result you want it's cool.

wrong answer
you want an event that truly, IMO, potentially destabilizes this country's political system, and likely lead to its', demise this is it.

 

[riverman]

I fear unfortunately more and more people will just stop voting or paying attention due to a general lack of trust in the system....not many young folks voted last election showing how poor the choices were from the start...Trump actually got 19% of the population to vote for him and that was enough

 

[lawai'a]

I fear unfortunately more and more people will just stop voting or paying attention due to a general lack of trust in the system....not many young folks voted last election showing how poor the choices were from the start...Trump actually got 19% of the population to vote for him and that was enough

voter apathy last cycle was certainly evident. what happens though if the results need to be decertified? I can't imagine people being willing to just go along with the results for 4 years till the next election.

 

[Chris Craig]

The candidate who the election is manipulated for becomes president, end of story

 

[lawai'a]

The candidate who the election is manipulated for becomes president, end of story

if its end of story, antifa/pink pussy/BLM protests on steroids with far more violence would be the more likely outcome IMO. without the mechanism to change the results anyway. imagine the nonvoter winner calling for the suppression of those protests now.

 

[lawai'a]

what about any executive orders or legislation he signs before the hack is discovered? what happens to those bills and actions he signs? are they null and void? are people and state government agencies required to enforce/follow the laws and actions of the central government in that event?

 

[lawai'a]

what happens if he starts a war? and what are the military's obligations?

 

[Chris Craig]

if its end of story, antifa/pink pussy/BLM protests on steroids with far more violence would be the more likely outcome IMO. without the mechanism to change the results anyway. imagine the nonvoter winner calling for the suppression of those protests now.

It sucks man. Not how I want it to be. Maybe there should be a redo on the election...but most people look content to just say fuck it and let it be.

Truth is everyone needs to vote. There are to many peoole not voting because they don't care or like you said dont trust the system. The voting system needs to be secure. People need to know their vote is secure. People shouldn't have their votes not count because their race or economic standing.

 

[lawai'a]

It sucks man. Not how I want it to be. Maybe there should be a redo on the election...but most people look content to just say fuck it and let it be.

Truth is everyone needs to vote. There are to many peoole not voting because they don't care or like you said dont trust the system. The voting system needs to be secure. People need to know their vote is secure. People shouldn't have their votes not count because their race or economic standing.

all valid responses. but I am hypothetically speaking to a future election , not this one but if it were discovered and verified at this point or later in a presidents term.

 

[lawai'a]

if the "right" was willing to take a militant approach to the land use issues in Nevada and Oregon, would they lay down and take it if the election was stolen from them? this isn't about who won but what happens after.

 

[lawai'a]

what is the solution to this dilemma and how do we solve it before it happens?

 

[lawai'a]

could it be that the need for a resolution to this eventuality lead to other election law changes to piggyback the solution to change our county's central government to be more responsive to the people instead of beholden to their political affiliation or monied special interests? this would be my hope.

 

[Denny Crane]

voter apathy last cycle was certainly evident. what happens though if the results need to be decertified? I can't imagine people being willing to just go along with the results for 4 years till the next election.

Republicans showed no apathy. Democrats soured on Obama a bit. The trend and numbers suggest no apathy at all.

 

[Denny Crane]

The losers on one side have complained about election results and supposed tampering for the past several election cycles. None of it has panned out, just a product of delusional losers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_election_voting_controversies

 

[lawai'a]

Republicans showed no apathy. Democrats soured on Obama a bit. The trend and numbers suggest no apathy at all.[/Q

Potential voter apathy, as in the number of eligible voters vs. those that actually turned out would have been more accurate response maybe sorry if it confused the issue. it appears your chart also indicates less voters than 2008

 

[lawai'a]

sorry, potential voter apathy, as in those eligible vs. those that actually turned out. seems less voted in '16 than '08 from your chart

 

[lawai'a]

The losers on one side have complained about election results and supposed tampering for the past several election cycles. None of it has panned out, just a product of delusional losers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_election_voting_controversies

not a sore loser, just pointing out that our constitution lacks a clear path forward if it was to be the case. looking for solutions to an increasing threat.

 

[Chris Craig]

The losers on one side have complained about election results and supposed tampering for the past several election cycles. None of it has panned out, just a product of delusional losers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_election_voting_controversies

No. There is well documented manipulation in past elections...and this one. Gerrymandering, voter supression based on race and economic standing. Voter purges of democratic voters. Provisional ballots need to be done away with. Absentee ballots need to be secure. Etc. There has been a lot of controversy. There is a lot of work to be done to ensure secure voting. Some dirty shit. So its not just manipulation of elections by foriegn countries, but by our own.

 

[MarAzul]

not a sore loser, just pointing out that our constitution lacks a clear path forward if it was to be the case. looking for solutions to an increasing threat.

I don't understand the, "lacks clear path forward"?

The elections is held, State by State.
Each State certifies their results, as per the Constitution.

The Electoral College reviews the results and vote as the Constitution provides.

Congress Certifies the results of the election or resolves any dispute, as per the Constitution.

What is missing?

The only difference this time is the losers insist on investigating the election, fishing for fowl play on hope alone, without any evidence.
The Constitution does not provide for this sort of sedition.

 

[lawai'a]

No. There is well documented manipulation in past elections...and this one. Gerrymandering, voter supression based on race and economic standing. Voter purges of democratic voters. Provisional ballots need to be done away with. Absentee ballots need to be secure. Etc. There has been a lot of controversy. There is a lot of work to be done to ensure secure voting. Some dirty shit. So its not just manipulation of elections by foriegn countries, but by our own.

some of these are going to be addressed during the current Supreme Court session. but the manipulation of the actual tallies and the swearing in of a president has no recourse for a correction of the process nor a way to change the outcome even if rigged. again foreign or domestic boogie man changes election day results to be discovered at some date after the electoral college votes, typically a month after the actual election. once the election is certified by the college's vote no recourse. what do we do? if it does happen with out a solution outlined, a clear protocol /clear path forward, there is the potential for a nations destabilization. yours and mine.

 

[lawai'a]

I don't understand the, "lacks clear path forward"?

The elections is held, State by State.
Each State certifies their results, as per the Constitution.

The Electoral College reviews the results and vote as the Constitution provides.

Congress Certifies the results of the election or resolves any dispute, as per the Constitution.

What is missing?

The only difference this time is the losers insist on investigating the election, fishing for fowl play on hope alone, without any evidence.
The Constitution does not provide for this sort of sedition.

the hack is discovered after certification.

 

[lawai'a]

some of these are going to be addressed during the current Supreme Court session. but the manipulation of the actual tallies and the swearing in of a president has no recourse for a correction of the process nor a way to change the outcome even if rigged. again foreign or domestic boogie man changes election day results to be discovered at some date after the electoral college votes, typically a month after the actual election. once the election is certified by the college's vote no recourse. what do we do? if it does happen with out a solution outlined, a clear protocol /clear path forward, there is the potential for a nations destabilization. yours and mine.

and the hack swings election results.

 

[lawai'a]

I don't understand the, "lacks clear path forward"?

The elections is held, State by State.
Each State certifies their results, as per the Constitution.

The Electoral College reviews the results and vote as the Constitution provides.

Congress Certifies the results of the election or resolves any dispute, as per the Constitution.

What is missing?

The only difference this time is the losers insist on investigating the election, fishing for fowl play on hope alone, without any evidence.
The Constitution does not provide for this sort of sedition.

feel free to read the law students article linked in the OP for understanding of the dilema

 

[Denny Crane]

sorry, potential voter apathy, as in those eligible vs. those that actually turned out. seems less voted in '16 than '08 from your chart

Obama was a rockstar. His first election is the outlier.

 

[lawai'a]

I don't understand the, "lacks clear path forward"?

The elections is held, State by State.
Each State certifies their results, as per the Constitution.

The Electoral College reviews the results and vote as the Constitution provides.

Congress Certifies the results of the election or resolves any dispute, as per the Constitution.

What is missing?

The only difference this time is the losers insist on investigating the election, fishing for fowl play on hope alone, without any evidence.
The Constitution does not provide for this sort of sedition.

you consider it seditious to validate the results of the president of the US by searching for tampering and discovery is after certification?

 

[Denny Crane]

feel free to read the law students article linked in the OP for understanding of the dilema

I read it.

There’s nothing to do about something that won’t happen.

If it really comes down to it, SCOTUS would decide.

 

[Denny Crane]

No. There is well documented manipulation in past elections...and this one. Gerrymandering, voter supression based on race and economic standing. Voter purges of democratic voters. Provisional ballots need to be done away with. Absentee ballots need to be secure. Etc. There has been a lot of controversy. There is a lot of work to be done to ensure secure voting. Some dirty shit. So its not just manipulation of elections by foriegn countries, but by our own.

Dead voting in Chicago. Democrats with voting machines in the trunks of their cars in key districts.

Heard it before. The refuge of losers who can’t get over losing.

Even Nixon was cool about it.

 

[MarAzul]

you consider it seditious to validate the results of the president of the US by searching for tampering and discovery is after certification?

Yes. Egregiously without evidence.