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Thibbodeau is a psychotic workhorse. Great basketball mind, but again, he's a psycho.
 
Stotts has NEVER played his starters up to the final minute of a game that's been decided. Nope, never.
 
blue9 said:
Stotts has NEVER played his starters up to the final minute of a game that's been decided. Nope, never.
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Phil Jackson routinely did.

In the 72 win season, the Bulls margin of victory was 12.3 points.

Jordan averaged 38 MPG, Pippen 37.

This season, the Blazers had Lillard lead the team at 36. Last season, LMA/Batum/Lillard averaged 36.
 
Probably never pushed them as hard as Thibs though. He'd be the kind of guy to look at a guy injured and think to himself "what a little bitch".
 
"I hate Stotts, he's too rigid in his substitutions, favors vets to rookies, and rides his players too hard, plays them too long"..."Let's replace him with Thibs!"
Makes sense.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Probably never pushed them as hard as Thibs though. He'd be the kind of guy to look at a guy injured and think to himself "what a little bitch".
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Pushed them hard enough to win 72 games. It was difficult to get the team to play hard during the regular season after playing 2 long seasons and post seasons the previous years. It is one of the most remarkable coaching achievements ever, IMO.
 
Denny Crane said:
Pushed them hard enough to win 72 games. It was difficult to get the team to play hard during the regular season after playing 2 long seasons and post seasons the previous years. It is one of the most remarkable coaching achievements ever, IMO.
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was talking about Thibs saying that. Phil Jackson would let Rodman go to Vegas during the playoffs to clear his head.
 
mediocre boy said:
Portland should stay the course. My lifetime of early playoff exits and also-rans seem to be ok with the fan base as long as players and coaches are likeable. If it's ok for fans, why try to improve?
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lol

I think Thibs brings something similar to the table that J Sloan brought and Gregg Popavich brings. Except he's younger. Defense and toughness. I think that's really missing right now on this club.
 
I'd take Thibs or Lue over Stotts right now.

That being said, Thibs is the defensive minded Stotts. We need a guy who will be more flexible in rotations.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
I'd take Thibs or Lue over Stotts right now.

That being said, Thibs is the defensive minded Stotts. We need a guy who will be more flexible in rotations.
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I don't get the whole "Stotts doesn't do defense" shtick. We went from the bottom of the list his first season to close to the top of the list last season (until injuries to Rolo and Wes) with essentially the same roster...
 
BlazerWookee said:
I don't get the whole "Stotts doesn't do defense" shtick. We went from the bottom of the list his first season to close to the top of the list last season (until injuries to Rolo and Wes) with essentially the same roster...
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I didn't say he doesn't do defense, I'm just saying his defense is comparable to Thibs offense.

Statistically our defense was good, in reality we have a very flawed system. We give up a lot of open shots, we switch bigs on to smalls on the perimeter too much and we can't defend the most used play in basketball very well.
 
Too bad it cant just be about money because I love for PA to make history by making him the highest paid assistant coach in league history but that would also be kind of awkward when he was getting paid more than Stotts I guess.
 
LOL, that would be funny. Can't see Thibs wanting to be as assistant even with a lot of dough when he can be a head coach with his likely pick of a few jobs and get more than 5 mil per
 
There has to be some middle ground, but I am not sure you can give the necessary energy that Thibs requires on defense and still have the legs in the 4th to play offense. I can't help think what Snapper used to emphasize about the need in figuring out what type of team your are. What is your identity.

This current Blazer team is built to shoots 3's. Can they play the defense Thibs wants and still have the legs to make those 3's in the 4th. Or are they better off improving their team defensive strategy for the whole game, but kicking the energy level up a notch in the 4th when the game is on the line?

I think SA is the bench mark. They have a very good fundament defensive strategy but they don't seem to exert the same amount of energy as the bulls do all game long. Thus they remain fresher at the end. But their bench seems to kick it up a notch when they come in.

Doc also does a pretty good job. He seems to kick it up a notch in the 4th as well. When Thibs was his assistant in Boston , didn't they do the same?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
There has to be some middle ground, but I am not sure you can give the necessary energy that Thibs requires on defense and still have the legs in the 4th to play offense. I can't help think what Snapper used to emphasize about the need in figuring out what type of team your are. What is your identity.

This current Blazer team is built to shoots 3's. Can they play the defense Thibs wants and still have the legs to make those 3's in the 4th. Or are they better off improving their team defensive strategy for the whole game, but kicking the energy level up a notch in the 4th when the game is on the line?

I think SA is the bench mark. They have a very good fundament defensive strategy but they don't seem to exert the same amount of energy as the bulls do all game long. Thus they remain fresher at the end. But their bench seems to kick it up a notch when they come in.

Doc also does a pretty good job. He seems to kick it up a notch in the 4th as well. When Thibs was his assistant in Boston , didn't they do the same?
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The Spurs are the model we want, but like you said their bench comes in and kicks ass more often than not. The Spurs create chaos on defense at times, something we don't do. We really need to hire a defensive coordinator. Maybe Mike Brown? Pay him and let him solely focus on defense.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see Carlisle fired and Thibs hired in Dallas. I don't see Thibs in Rip City at all. I like Stotts just like I like Steve Kerr...no panic attack in those guys. Thibs is an elite defensive coordinator but might not be a good head coach because he lacks FO political savvy. Thibs is high strung and grates on players and GMs. Chemistry is everything moving forward.
 
riverman said:
I wouldn't be surprised to see Carlisle fired and Thibs hired in Dallas. I don't see Thibs in Rip City at all. I like Stotts just like I like Steve Kerr...no panic attack in those guys. Thibs is an elite defensive coordinator but might not be a good head coach because he lacks FO political savvy. Thibs is high strung and grates on players and GMs. Chemistry is everything moving forward.
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I would be surprised to see Carlisle fired. For anyone.
 
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
Actually it did. This was his first major injury, after that, the following injuries were more likely. Don't you remember when this happened, everyone was like why the fuck was Rose in the game still.

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http://bustedcoverage.com/2012/04/28/derrick-rose-injured-in-garbage-time-against-76ers-video/
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Derrick had two wrist injuries, a neck injury, toe, back, groin, ankle and another toe injury prior to tearing his ACL. (While none of them were deemed major, he missed half the season. I'd say that's major in accumulation...similar to Stephen A smith's thoughts on Andrew Bogut and his health situation.)

In addition, I'd say that none of us know whether those injuries he played through affected him tearing his ACL and we do not know if he wouldve landed awkwardly in the first quarter of the next game and done the same thing.

I get the feeling that Derrick knows that it is related to his toe, foot, ankle issues in which he over compensated or was hesitant and that's why he kept saying he has to be 100% to return.

Furthermore, if Derrick was allowed to play thru those injuries and Thibs was told he was good to go, that's on the (if you look aroune, pretty questionable reputation) Chicago med staff.

Not. Swayed.
 
As an internet orthopedic surgeon, I can tell you none of those injuries you mentioned (wrist, neck, toe, back, groin, ankle and toe again) contributed to him tearing his ACL. Whether were he to injure his knee in the next game is irrelevant. He injured it in garbage time where he shouldn't have played. Thibs has a history of doing this and it basically ruined an MVP's career.
 
Rose needed the minutes to play himself into shape.
 
I think Thibs is a top 3 coach in the league. I also think the Bulls are fucking retards for firing him
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
As an internet orthopedic surgeon, I can tell you none of those injuries you mentioned (wrist, neck, toe, back, groin, ankle and toe again) contributed to him tearing his ACL. Whether were he to injure his knee in the next game is irrelevant. He injured it in garbage time where he shouldn't have played. Thibs has a history of doing this and it basically ruined an MVP's career.
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And I can tell you, he missed 30 games before his ACL in a lockout shortened season. he already had injury issues NOT caused by thibs. Of course Oden wrist didn't lead to his ACL just like Rose's didnt, but his body clearly was injured a lot before his knee issues as well. And I'd argue foot, toe, and ankle issues could cause knee problems for one.
 
If I were Thibs I would take a year off, work in the media where he can watch a lot of games up close and get paid, figure out how he needs to adjust his coaching style, learn from his mistakes,and come back better like Carlisle did.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
If I were Thibs I would take a year off, work in the media where he can watch a lot of games up close and get paid, figure out how he needs to adjust his coaching style, learn from his mistakes,and come back better like Carlisle did.
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I agree. Let Stotts know he's got a year...
 
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