What if?

[Mediocre Man]

This has probably been brought up in the multiple threads, but I didn't see it as I scanned them.


What if KP doesn't land Turkoglu? How will you start to view our leader then? He failed to bring us someone at the deadline because he said he thought we could make a move for someone now because teams would be in worse financial situations. Instead we go after Hedo, which I think is a good move, and not explore trades...at this point anyway. Portland clearly needs an upgrade at PG and SF. If we miss out of Turkoglu then all of the SF's that were rumored to be on the block have been moved. Some of the PG's rumored to be on the block look to be more vital to their teams because of other trades they have made or players leaving for another team.

Do you think this will be a huge blunder if KP fails to get anything done this summer?

 

[Sedatedfork]

This has probably been brought up in the multiple threads, but I didn't see it as I scanned them.


What if KP doesn't land Turkoglu? How will you start to view our leader then? He failed to bring us someone at the deadline because he said he thought we could make a move for someone now because teams would be in worse financial situations. Instead we go after Hedo, which I think is a good move, and not explore trades...at this point anyway. Portland clearly needs an upgrade at PG and SF. If we miss out of Turkoglu then all of the SF's that were rumored to be on the block have been moved. Some of the PG's rumored to be on the block look to be more vital to their teams because of other trades they have made or players leaving for another team.

Do you think this will be a huge blunder if KP fails to get anything done this summer?

I think KP will make some move this summer with or without Hedo. If it is just a small move that gets us say a backup PF then I think we are still in good shape. A) We were a pretty good team last year and played through some Game 1 jitters to give Houston a pretty good test. Houston went the distance against the Lakers with a 6'9" guy playing C for most of the series. B) There could still be a trade deadline maneuver as teams jockey for 2010 cap space.

Edit: So, no I don't think it is a blunder. Just who exactly were we supposed to get at the deadline? I am not a big fan of RJ on this team, and that is the only player I think we had an opportunity to get. Just because you have the opportunity to make a move or sign a FA, doesn't mean you should. Even if a player is talented, you have to consider some chemistry issues. For example, Sergio for garbage was a chemistry move. I am very happy about the status of the team as is.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I see your point, but I don't agree wit it.

What we have been told is this.

* The team has talked about the 09' cap space for 2 years now

* RLEC, was called the best trade piece in the history of the league. We let it expire.

* We didn't use RLEC because we can obtain the same pieces this summer for cheaper.

* Paul Allen told KP to go for it

* We drafted with intent on opening up cap space

* We traded Sergio for cap space.


I am surprised more people wouldn't be upset if our GM could get anything done in our one and only cap space year

 

[Nikolokolus]

I see your point, but I don't agree wit it.

What we have been told is this.

* The team has talked about the 09' cap space for 2 years now

* RLEC, was called the best trade piece in the history of the league. We let it expire.

* We didn't use RLEC because we can obtain the same pieces this summer for cheaper.

* Paul Allen told KP to go for it

* We drafted with intent on opening up cap space

* We traded Sergio for cap space.


I am surprised more people wouldn't be upset if our GM could get anything done in our one and only cap space year

The only person I remember referring to RLEC as being "one of the best trade chips in the history of the NBA" was Mike Barrett, the most pollyanna, sunshine pumper I've ever seen. I never heard anybody from an outside source make such a claim, although I do recall BSPN calling it a "super expiring" because it was backed by insurance payments. Bottom line, I don't think it was really that great of a trading chip.

Regarding the rest of your fears about KP failing to get anything done should the Hedo deal fall through, I find that highly unlikely; quality free agents might be harder to come by, but I suspect there are still teams that are going to be willing to unload some salary as the summer progresses. It may not be the "homerun" we're all hoping for but something will happen.

 

[Tince]

I am surprised more people wouldn't be upset if our GM could get anything done in our one and only cap space year

With the people who are constantly being negative about this team and the people who have created it, it's almost made me try harder to look at the positives. I've become so amazed that the majority stuff out of any Blazer fans mouth can be negative.

I don't know about everyone else, but when KP and Nate came in a few years ago to rebuild this franchise, I never thought we would get here so fast. I never expected KP's moves or Nate's coaching would be perfect, just like I never thought Roy would play well every game. If we are unable to land a quality free agent this summer, I'll be bummed, just like I'm bummed when Roy goes 4-15 in a game. However, when you look at the big picture, and see the situation we're in, you would have to be a real negative person to be unhappy.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The only person I remember referring to RLEC as being "one of the best trade chips in the history of the NBA" was Mike Barrett, the most pollyanna, sunshine pumper I've ever seen. I never heard anybody from an outside source make such a claim, although I do recall BSPN calling it a "super expiring" because it was backed by insurance payments. Bottom line, I don't think it was really that great of a trading chip.

Regarding the rest of your fears about KP failing to get anything done should the Hedo deal fall through, I find that highly unlikely; quality free agents might be harder to come by, but I suspect there are still teams that are going to be willing to unload some salary as the summer progresses. It may not be the "homerun" we're all hoping for but something will happen.

Blazers assistant general manager Tom Penn, who might be the contract's closest friend if it could talk, casually refers to it as a "super expiring" contract.

I can't find the KP quote that Barrett quoted, but it is obvious how the front office felt about this

 

[Mediocre Man]

With the people who are constantly being negative about this team and the people who have created it, it's almost made me try harder to look at the positives. I've become so amazed that the majority stuff out of any Blazer fans mouth can be negative.

I don't know about everyone else, but when KP and Nate came in a few years ago to rebuild this franchise, I never thought we would get here so fast. I never expected KP's moves or Nate's coaching would be perfect, just like I never thought Roy would play well every game. If we are unable to land a quality free agent this summer, I'll be bummed, just like I'm bummed when Roy goes 4-15 in a game. However, when you look at the big picture, and see the situation we're in, you would have to be a real negative person to be unhappy.

What I see is teams like LA, SA, Cle, and probably OKC all getting better on paper. I think at some point we need to do the same thing.

 

[yakbladder]

The only person I remember referring to RLEC as being "one of the best trade chips in the history of the NBA" was Mike Barrett, the most pollyanna, sunshine pumper I've ever seen. I never heard anybody from an outside source make such a claim, although I do recall BSPN calling it a "super expiring" because it was backed by insurance payments. Bottom line, I don't think it was really that great of a trading chip.

Regarding the rest of your fears about KP failing to get anything done should the Hedo deal fall through, I find that highly unlikely; quality free agents might be harder to come by, but I suspect there are still teams that are going to be willing to unload some salary as the summer progresses. It may not be the "homerun" we're all hoping for but something will happen.

Is that phrase "pollyanna sunshine pumper" copyrighted? Because otherwise I think I can make a few million off of that.

I think if Hedo falls through it's still worth points for effort on the courting. KP can't force players to come here. Maybe Paul Allen can but that's hard to say...

 

[Mediocre Man]

Is that phrase "pollyanna sunshine pumper" copyrighted? Because otherwise I think I can make a few million off of that.

I think if Hedo falls through it's still worth points for effort on the courting. KP can't force players to come here. Maybe Paul Allen can but that's hard to say...

Which is exactly the reason we should have traded for someone because then KP can force someone to come here.

 

[mobes23]

If we don't do anything real this off season, there will be pretty good reason to be upset about it. However, it's a little early to to all panty-in-wad on us. Teams can't even sign anyone yet and have only been able to talk to players a couple days. Let's see how the cards get played.

 

[hasoos]

What I see is teams like LA, SA, Cle, and probably OKC all getting better on paper. I think at some point we need to do the same thing.

One of these thing is not like the others....

 

[SteelBlaze1]

With the people who are constantly being negative about this team and the people who have created it, it's almost made me try harder to look at the positives. I've become so amazed that the majority stuff out of any Blazer fans mouth can be negative.

I don't know about everyone else, but when KP and Nate came in a few years ago to rebuild this franchise, I never thought we would get here so fast. I never expected KP's moves or Nate's coaching would be perfect, just like I never thought Roy would play well every game. If we are unable to land a quality free agent this summer, I'll be bummed, just like I'm bummed when Roy goes 4-15 in a game. However, when you look at the big picture, and see the situation we're in, you would have to be a real negative person to be unhappy.

MM...I can see your point and reason for this thread, but I agree with Tince, in that we need to really take a look at what this team has done over the last couple years...it has been amazing.

IF...Oden and LMA improve from last year, we will be a much better team (a team that won 54 games last year) and we are still young (as apposed to SA, who is aging by the minute).

I agree that KP needs to continue to improve the team, but if we do not sign Hedo (I pray we do), then I trust that KP will make a trade that helps us in some capacity.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I think we got him. This is a moot point.

blazersedge: Blazers TV broadcaster Mike Barrett: Hedo "starting to look like it's going to be just a matter of time." http://bit.ly/Znms1
per twitter

 

[Mediocre Man]

One of these thing is not like the others....

Haha, yeah. OKC isn't there yet, but they got better, and will probably land Lee or Milsap as well.

 

[hasoos]

MM...I can see your point and reason for this thread, but I agree with Tince, in that we need to really take a look at what this team has done over the last couple years...it has been amazing.

IF...Oden and LMA improve from last year, we will be a much better team (a team that won 54 games last year) and we are still young (as apposed to SA, who is aging by the minute).

I agree that KP needs to continue to improve the team, but if we do not sign Hedo (I pray we do), then I trust that KP will make a trade that helps us in some capacity.

You know that's the problem. It's always if this happens and if that happens. When is the point reached where there has been enough talk, and it's time to quit making excuses? I think that year is this year. Guys have been in the leauge, playing time has been cleared to make time for guys with talent, and certain players have had their year to recover from knee surgery. It's time to nut up.

 

[Sug]

You are a very negative fan, in fact this relationship you have with the Blazers might not be healthy. It might be time for you to simply become a bandwagon jumper, then you can always be happy. I suggest you start choosing your team with two minutes left in the final game of the championship, wait for you I would suggest waiting until the result is complete then you can celebrate for about 30 seconds and star thinking about all of the reasons to hate that team.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think we got him. This is a moot point.

blazersedge: Blazers TV broadcaster Mike Barrett: Hedo "starting to look like it's going to be just a matter of time." http://bit.ly/Znms1
per twitter

Oh, well if Barrett says it, then it MUST be true.

 

[maxiep]

This has probably been brought up in the multiple threads, but I didn't see it as I scanned them.


What if KP doesn't land Turkoglu? How will you start to view our leader then? He failed to bring us someone at the deadline because he said he thought we could make a move for someone now because teams would be in worse financial situations. Instead we go after Hedo, which I think is a good move, and not explore trades...at this point anyway. Portland clearly needs an upgrade at PG and SF. If we miss out of Turkoglu then all of the SF's that were rumored to be on the block have been moved. Some of the PG's rumored to be on the block look to be more vital to their teams because of other trades they have made or players leaving for another team.

Do you think this will be a huge blunder if KP fails to get anything done this summer?

I think we'll get Hedo, but I'll go with your assumption for the sake of the thread. I have said for a while now that I think we have/had three chances to wildly improve our team: 1) the february trade deadline; 2) draft night; and 3) post-moratorium.

We sat on RLEC, even though that offered us $13MM to get a player. We sat on Blake/Outlaw, even though that offered us $9MM to get another player. So now we're down to our last chance. I think either KP has been overconfident or he's been completely outmanuevered or it's been a combination of both. I know I'll be disappointed if we don't get Turkuglu now, and I wasn't that psyched about getting him in the first place. That's how much my standards have already been lowered.

In business, the last thing you want to do is overpromise and underdeliver, and so far that's exactly what KP has been doing.

 

[anonymous gambler]

If we don't get Hedo- then we probably lost him to Toronto- this would mean Marion is available. Odom is also still available.

I'm not sure that I see Hedo as leaps and bounds better than either of these two- in fact, the other two are better defenders.

 

[Nikolokolus]

If we don't get Hedo- then we probably lost him to Toronto- this would mean Marion is available. Odom is also still available.

I'm not sure that I see Hedo as leaps and bounds better than either of these two- in fact, the other two are better defenders.

Odom is for sure going back to LA, he and Artest are long time friends and both come from the same neighborhood in New York. And frankly I think Marion would be a terrible fit in Portland. If Hedo falls through I expect movement through trades and very little through free agency (maybe Andre Miller as a fallback?)

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

I would be glad if we didn't get Hedo. then KP would explore trading for a better talent and fit for our team.

I'm mainly nervous about the whole Rudy thing to be honest, unfounded or not.....in any way, consolidation trades need to be done this offseason to upgrade talent.

 

[Ed O]

I don't equate not getting Hedo with not getting ANYTHING this summer... those are two different questions.

If we don't get Hedo, but get something else? I won't be too upset.

If we don't get Hedo or anyone else? I will be disappointed and lament passing on trading for Vince Carter, but part of me will be pleased that we're not sacrificing any part of our future for our present. The "WIN NOW" kick that Nate and KP seem to be on all of a sudden--after saying previously that we were farther away--is premature, IMO, and if we can scale back short-term expectations I think it might turn out better in the long run.

Ed O.

 

[Masbee]

Delete thread.

No more what if.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm going to be disappointed if we sign Hedo and then call it an offseason. Simply put, if we go into the 2009-2010 season with:

Blake/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Hedo/Batum/Webster
Aldridge/Outlaw
Oden/Przybilla

I'm going to be severely disappointed. I can hear KP now, saying that Outlaw is our backup power forward and Blake is our starting point guard until Bayless takes over.

 

[Tince]

I'm going to be disappointed if people here are going to always be disappointed no matter what is going on...

 

[Tince]

I'm going to be disappointed if we sign Hedo and then call it an offseason. Simply put, if we go into the 2009-2010 season with:

Blake/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Hedo/Batum/Webster
Aldridge/Outlaw
Oden/Przybilla

I'm going to be severely disappointed. I can hear KP now, saying that Outlaw is our backup power forward and Blake is our starting point guard until Bayless takes over.

That roster is significantly better than the one we ended with last year.

 

[Natebishop3]

That roster is significantly better than the one we ended with last year.

And it will have a severe logjam at small forward. Outlaw isn't a power forward.

 

[Tince]

And it will have a severe logjam at small forward. Outlaw isn't a power forward.

But if we traded Outlaw for Brandon Bass, you would still be disappointed, correct?

 

[alex42083]

I'm going to be disappointed if we sign Hedo and then call it an offseason. Simply put, if we go into the 2009-2010 season with:

Blake/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Hedo/Batum/Webster
Aldridge/Outlaw
Oden/Przybilla

I'm going to be severely disappointed. I can hear KP now, saying that Outlaw is our backup power forward and Blake is our starting point guard until Bayless takes over.

Don't think it looks it will be:

The Blazers are expected to use all of their available cap space in the move, but general manager Kevin Pritchard intimated that he has at least one more move ahead this summer, which figures to involve one of the Blazers three returning small forwards - Travis Outlaw ($3.6 million this season), Martell Webster ($4.3 million) or second-year player Nicolas Batum ($1.2 million).

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/07/hedo_turkoglu_agrees_to_join_t.html

 

[Masbee]

Don't think it looks it will be:
general manager Kevin Pritchard intimated that he has at least one more move ahead this summer


http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/07/hedo_turkoglu_agrees_to_join_t.html

Oh, I hope it is for Hinrich.

If we do something like trade Outlaw for a pick or raw prospect, I won't be too happy.

Why?

Because if all we end up with after all this "cap space plan" stuff is Hedo, that is a poor result after all that.

Hinrich isn't all that either, BUT, coming out on the other side with upgrades at our two weakest starting positions, adding defense to the 1 spot, playmaking to the 3 spot, adding experience, would be a decent outcome.