What is right wing, what is left wing?

[The Return of the Raider]

The "Right" and "left" talk has hit a fever pitch in this thread that I started mainly to talk about Nazis. I think I have helped drive that topic off the cliff a bit. We should talk about what it means to be "right" or "left" in a separate thread. I really think there needs to be some definition given to it, historically, and how it's actually defined "now".

I'd like to say first off, that what we considered "left" or "right" is defined differently based on where you live, and what year it is. People that vote for candidates that are "right wing" actually expouse Nazi values, which used to be considered left wing.

 

[Thoth]

I don't think you can classify things as simply as left wing or right wing.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html

Take the test and then carefully observe how they classify "political beliefs"... Its not perfect but better then a linear scale which just doesn't work IMO.

 

[Real]

I would say you're right when you say what is considered left wing and right wing or mainstream or extreme depends on where you live.

Where I'm from, if you're pro-life, you're an anti-choice extremist.

 

[The Return of the Raider]

I don't think you can classify things as simply as left wing or right wing.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html

Take the test and then carefully observe how they classify "political beliefs"... Its not perfect but better then a linear scale which just doesn't work IMO.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 90%.

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...



LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and

economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one

that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.

Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose

government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate

diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties

I am conflicted on the National ID card thing. I really don't see the issue against having it. I have already had my fingerprints taken, so what does it really matter at this point.

 

[Thoth]

What I was driving at was how they use a rotated square with 5 different ideologies.

Part of the problem IMO is that things are oversimplified. Its a matter of either/or i.e. Democrat/Republican, Liberal/Conservative, Coke/Pepsi, etc...

 

[Thoth]

Personally, I don't see how you can not take the quiz and not be a Centrist or Libertarian.

I wonder where Bill Clinton, Hillary, Ronald Reagan, JFK, Ted Kennedy, Obama, Arnold S, McCain, Dubya, Putin, Ghandi or Thomas Jefferson might score?

 

[Colonel Ronan]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LIBERTARIANS[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] support maximum liberty in both personal and [/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Meh, I dunno...
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[bbwchingy0007]

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 60%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 0%.

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...

Liberal

LIBERALS usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but tend to support significant government control of the economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net" to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations, defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles.

 

[bbwMax]

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 50%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 50%.

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...

 

[bbwchingy0007]

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 50%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 50%.

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...

In other words, you're boring and have no opinion on anything

 

[CelticKing]

Here is mine.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 50%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%.

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...

CENTRISTS espouse a "middle ground" regarding government control of the economy and personal behavior. Depending on the issue, they sometimes favor government intervention and sometimes support individual freedom of choice.

Centrists pride themselves on keeping an open mind,

tend to oppose "political extremes," and emphasize what

they describe as "practical" solutions to problems.

 

[bbwchingy0007]

I hate you all, no-one else is even remotely left

 

[huevonkiller]

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%.

 

[Denny Crane]

Stupid test:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LIBERTARIANS[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] support maximum liberty in both personal and [/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.[/FONT][/FONT]​

 

[The Return of the Raider]

Stupid test:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LIBERTARIANS[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] support maximum liberty in both personal and [/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.[/FONT][/FONT]​

So you think that no one should have an ID card? What are the dangers of having the ID card in your opinion?

 

[CelticKing]

Why have the ID card when we have Id's from each state? Also have passports. No need to have a nation ID card IMO. It will take too much money from the govt and states, while we could spend that for better things.

 

[Denny Crane]

So you think that no one should have an ID card? What are the dangers of having the ID card in your opinion?

As usual, I look at things from a historical perspective. The Social Security card was opposed by Libertarians at the time because government has no place in tracking what people do. So they wrote into the Social Security Act that the SS# and card were forbidden to be used for identification purposes. Yet today, I can type your SS# into some WWW page and ultimately steal your economic identity.

And as usual, I fail to see any compelling government interest or any benefit for individuals in the proposition.

 

[RipCity]

Am I missing something? This site supposedly determines your political affiliation by asking 12 questions?


Sorry but thats retarded.

 

[The Return of the Raider]

As usual, I look at things from a historical perspective. The Social Security card was opposed by Libertarians at the time because government has no place in tracking what people do. So they wrote into the Social Security Act that the SS# and card were forbidden to be used for identification purposes. Yet today, I can type your SS# into some WWW page and ultimately steal your economic identity.

And as usual, I fail to see any compelling government interest or any benefit for individuals in the proposition.

I look at it this way, I don't really care if someone wants to assign a unique number (SS #)to my file. I do have a problem with getting an electronic GPS device inplanted in my body.

 

[The Return of the Raider]

Am I missing something? This site supposedly determines your political affiliation by asking 12 questions?


Sorry but thats retarded.

Lol, if you don't like it, then don't participate.

 

[Denny Crane]

I look at it this way, I don't really care if someone wants to assign a unique number (SS #)to my file. I do have a problem with getting an electronic GPS device inplanted in my body.

One day in the future, someone will be able to say:

I see you presented your papers... I mean national ID card at all these locations on tuesday.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

Am I missing something? This site supposedly determines your political affiliation by asking 12 questions?


Sorry but thats retarded.

I agree. If only politics were as simple as 12 questions.

 

[The Return of the Raider]

One day in the future, someone will be able to say:

I see you presented your papers... I mean national ID card at all these locations on tuesday.

Possible ramification?

 

[zєяσ]

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 60%.

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...

Centrist

CENTRISTS espouse a "middle ground" regarding government control of the economy and personal behavior. Depending on the issue, they sometimes favor government intervention and sometimes support individual freedom of choice.

Centrists pride themselves on keeping an open mind,

tend to oppose "political extremes," and emphasize what

they describe as "practical" solutions to problems.


Meh....for some of the questions, I felt limited

 

[Denny Crane]

Possible ramification?

It's one of the worst invasions of privacy. Maybe we should just wear stars sewn on our sleeves.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo

 

[zєяσ]

Why couldnt you have just posted "watch teh Matrix?"

 

[Colonel Ronan]

Whoa, the whole border thing just got messed up. Anyone else see that?

 

[zєяσ]

wtf happened to my post?
The V-chip is hacking S2!

 

[Colonel Ronan]

I edited it for you. Quoting a YouTube video messes with the scripting it seems.