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Mediocre Man said:
IMHO, Olshey is affraid to trade CJ.

That being said, we need a do over. We aren't getting by the Warriors, Sprockets or Blunder anytime soon.

I think the real question is what could you realistically get for Dame, CJ and Nurk
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How dare you?! This thread is about making CJ the scapegoat of this team failures.
If you don't think that trading CJ for a side-grade will fix everything then you are not wanted here.
 
I thought maybe after 8 pages at least one trade scenario would be intriguing......
 
Mediocre Man said:
IMHO, Olshey is affraid to trade CJ.

That being said, we need a do over. We aren't getting by the Warriors, Sprockets or Blunder anytime soon.

I think the real question is what could you realistically get for Dame, CJ and Nurk
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Dame (3 first round picks)
CJ (2 first round picks)
Nurk (maybe a first round pick, but he is young)
 
Fez Von Savage said:
Fultz/Saric.
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So I actually was looking at that a week ago. I was thinking of a three way trade with Phoenix though.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7wzrm9k

Phoenix gets a young stud point guard and some other young talent.

Philly gets a reliable scoring wing.

Portland gets a young prototypical shooting guard who can shoot, a scoring power forward who can stretch the floor, and a couple of vets to round out their bench.

Dame/Bazz
Booker/Redick
Turner/Aminu
Saric/Collins
Nurk/Chandler
 
Natebishop3 said:
So I actually was looking at that a week ago. I was thinking of a three way trade with Phoenix though.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7wzrm9k

Phoenix gets a young stud point guard and some other young talent.

Philly gets a reliable scoring wing.

Portland gets a young prototypical shooting guard who can shoot, a scoring power forward who can stretch the floor, and a couple of vets to round out their bench.

Dame/Bazz
Booker/Redick
Turner/Aminu
Saric/Collins
Nurk/Chandler
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C'mon this Never happen
 
I think Philly might just take booker, and not have to include the rest of the pieces. And I don't see phoenix trading Booker for fultz.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So I actually was looking at that a week ago. I was thinking of a three way trade with Phoenix though.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7wzrm9k

Phoenix gets a young stud point guard and some other young talent.

Philly gets a reliable scoring wing.

Portland gets a young prototypical shooting guard who can shoot, a scoring power forward who can stretch the floor, and a couple of vets to round out their bench.

Dame/Bazz
Booker/Redick
Turner/Aminu
Saric/Collins
Nurk/Chandler
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are you even serious wow
 
I think Booker will be an All-Star within 3 years. Even in the tough (to get in) Western Conference.
 
I think in the entire history of this forum maybe one or two trades have ever had people say "yup every team gets a good deal in that trade!"

And there's always people who are like "wow that's a shitty trade!"

And yet.... Boogie Cousins gets dealt for Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway and a couple picks.

Carmelo Anthony gets dealt for Enes Kanter, Dour McDermott and a 2nd round pick.

Jimmy Butler gets dealt for Zach LaVine, Kris Dunn, and a pick.

Crazy trades happen. They happen all the time. We got Nurk AND a pick for Mason Plumlee. So would the Suns trade Booker for Fultz? I guess that depends on whether Phoenix thinks Fultz is a future superstar point guard.
 
e_blazer said:
I know that people want a quick fix to bring the Blazers into contention, but the notion that trading CJ is going to get the job done is misguided, IMO. First, nothing that Olshey can do is going to make the Warriors, Cavs, Celtics, or Rockets worse. Those teams have the inside track for the next 2-3 seasons. I don't think that there's any trade available for CJ or any other Blazer player that's going to change that fact. It's going to be an incremental process.
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I think this is right on. I'd also add that if you're in the mindset "this core isn't going to win any titles, time to dismantle it and start over" (I know that isn't what some are saying), you're going to get locked into decades of terrible basketball, because very few cores are likely to win titles. The Warriors themselves didn't look like they had a championship core, despite having all the key players for their first title, as recently as 2013-14. If they had torn it down (or even just dealt one of their guards), they may never have emerged as what they are. (Some may argue the Warriors did do this earlier, with Monta Ellis--but that was different, IMO. At the time, they didn't really have a promising core and they traded Ellis for a better player in Bogut--they were just willing to take on some risk in terms of Bogut's health. They weren't trying to restart, that was still an incremental build move. If you want to advocate trading McCollum for Cousins, taking on the risk of his expiring contract and attitude, I'd see that as similar, though you'd need to figure out what to do with Nurkic. ;))

I'm not, in any way, suggesting Portland is in 2013 Golden State's position. I don't think that. But title contenders are built incrementally. Trading McCollum for draft picks/prospects is essentially bailing on this core for a very unlikely shot at a higher-ceiling future. That seems short-sighted to me when we just saw how things could change very quickly. If Nurkic had been what he appeared to be last season, this core would have looked a lot better--even as is, he's led a big defensive turnaround. If he were still a major offensive force, Portland would be contending for a #3 seed, IMO. When you fly that high in a top-heavy conference, you're just a "normal weird thing" (like an injury, a suspension, etc) away from maybe winning a title.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think in the entire history of this forum maybe one or two trades have ever had people say "yup every team gets a good deal in that trade!"

And there's always people who are like "wow that's a shitty trade!"

And yet.... Boogie Cousins gets dealt for Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway and a couple picks.

Carmelo Anthony gets dealt for Enes Kanter, Dour McDermott and a 2nd round pick.

Jimmy Butler gets dealt for Zach LaVine, Kris Dunn, and a pick.

Crazy trades happen. They happen all the time. We got Nurk AND a pick for Mason Plumlee. So would the Suns trade Booker for Fultz? I guess that depends on whether Phoenix thinks Fultz is a future superstar point guard.
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The return Chicago got for Butler was decent. A no. 4 pick from a year ago, a good but injured shooting guard and a no. 7 pick in a strong draft that turned into a player they apparently wanted. That's a fair deal.

Cousins was expiring in 18 months and Sacramento needed to make a decision whether to build around him or retool the team. Considering they never made playoffs with him, it was a reasonable choice. The outcome of that trade was also getting to keep the 2017 pick which was a big deal to them as it ended up getting them Fox. They would have probably got a better offer if Cousins wasn't a problematic character. Still, Hield was also someone they wanted badly a year before for some reason.
 
Minstrel said:
I The Warriors themselves didn't look like they had a championship core, despite having all the key players for their first title, as recently as 2013-14. If they had torn it down (or even just dealt one of their guards), they may never have emerged as what they are. .
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This is exactly right. Luck is a huge part of it. Green was the missing piece that made them contenders. Then AFTER they became champs they were able to attract Durant. Yes you create your own luck but it was Green's versatility, a player they got in the 2nd round, that made them a match up nightmare.

Look at all those lottery teams that could have taken him including us at 11. Just draft smart and hope for some luck.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think in the entire history of this forum maybe one or two trades have ever had people say "yup every team gets a good deal in that trade!"

And there's always people who are like "wow that's a shitty trade!"

And yet.... Boogie Cousins gets dealt for Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway and a couple picks.

Carmelo Anthony gets dealt for Enes Kanter, Dour McDermott and a 2nd round pick.

Jimmy Butler gets dealt for Zach LaVine, Kris Dunn, and a pick.

Crazy trades happen. They happen all the time. We got Nurk AND a pick for Mason Plumlee. So would the Suns trade Booker for Fultz? I guess that depends on whether Phoenix thinks Fultz is a future superstar point guard.
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But they were looking to trade Boogie. Booker is basically untouchable.

NYK got little return because of Melos NTC.

That Butler package was a great return.
 
e_blazer said:
I know that people want a quick fix to bring the Blazers into contention, but the notion that trading CJ is going to get the job done is misguided, IMO. First, nothing that Olshey can do is going to make the Warriors, Cavs, Celtics, or Rockets worse. Those teams have the inside track for the next 2-3 seasons. I don't think that there's any trade available for CJ or any other Blazer player that's going to change that fact. It's going to be an incremental process. Solidifying the bench is just a first step that could, perhaps, get the Blazers into the 4th or 5th seed and avoid the inevitable quick first round exit that a 7 or 8 seed will get them. From there, Olshey is going to have to look hard at which of his young guys have the potential to become a true impact player. Nurkic certainly has room to get better. Hopefully, Collins does too. I like Vonleh, but has he hit his ceiling? I don't think anyone is holding their breath for Harkless to become consistent. Swanigan looks to be a project and may not be more than a role player.

Ultimately, Olshey will have to make a move that will involve trading a valuable asset. CJ looks like the most likely candidate right now, but that could change and there's certainly no rush to make that move given that the best scenario for this team is probably a 6th seed in this year's playoffs. Given his recent play, I think the Blazers would be selling low if they trade him right now. There could be other moves that would allow the Blazers to keep their "sort of Big Three" and simply add another player through a combination trade of some of their younger talent. This isn't going to be quick, and ultimately it may not work out at all, but I favor an incremental improvement plan over some idea of a home run trade this season or the dreaded liquidation sale and total rebuild.
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I don't think CJ will get traded this season...it's rare that first year max deals are traded.....not that I wouldn't jump at a few trades for him right now...it would be selling low ...maybe, unless he drops off more which I doubt....he'll win you a lot of games in the meantime...
 
Minstrel said:
I'm not, in any way, suggesting Portland is in 2013 Golden State's position. I don't think that. But title contenders are built incrementally. Trading McCollum for draft picks/prospects is essentially bailing on this core for a very unlikely shot at a higher-ceiling future.
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You mentioned Golden State giving up on Monta Ellis - why isn't that exactly the same thing? By your reasoning, Golden State should've stuck with Ellis.

Now, of course they got VERY LUCKY. But give me an alternative analogy where you think a team should've stayed with what looked like a flawed "core."
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You mentioned Golden State giving up on Monta Ellis - why isn't that exactly the same thing? By your reasoning, Golden State should've stuck with Ellis.

Now, of course they got VERY LUCKY. But give me an alternative analogy where you think a team should've stayed with what looked like a flawed "core."
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McCollum is a much better player than Ellis.
 
BonesJones said:
I don't see how we can get much better without trading him. What other avenues do we have?
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None... there is no other avenue to change the team without trading CJ. That’s why it pisses me off that Neil refuses to even entertain the idea of trading CJ... all options should be on the table after that embarrassing and unacceptable performance in the playoffs
 
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