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rotary111 said:
If New York keeps sucking..

Julius Randle and Nitikilina?
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I like the KNK option.

However, I'm not sure I'd do that trade. Maybe something like this:
Portis ($15M) + Nitikilina ($4.8M) + Robinson ($1.6M) => CJ ($27.5M) + Tolliver ($2.5M) + 2020 Pick

I'd prefer Portis over Randle... but it looks like Portis doesn't have a large enough contract to make a legal trade.

Robinson is the real treasure in the trade scenario. He'd have to be included in a CJ trade IMO.
 
hoopsjock said:
This I agree with you on. There is no reason to sign CJ to an extension if they were even remotely interested in trading him.
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I don't think CJ's going anywhere but things can change quickly. Clippers signed Blake to a massive contract and traded him right away too.
 
e_blazer said:
If Olshey traded a young healthy stud like CJ for Blake's constantly broken down and massively overpaid ass, I'd picket the Blazers' offices.
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Blake is a legitimate All-star talent. Trading CJ for Blake would immediately improve Portland's TEAM.
 
tester551 said:
Blake is a legitimate All-star talent. Trading CJ for Blake would immediately improve Portland's TEAM.
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But he is legitimately always injured. We'd have a great team the way that Golden State currently has a great team.
 
The problem is that CJ is a chucker, and not an efficient one.

He's averaging 20 ppg on 40.5% from the field, with a PER of 12.2 and an eFG% of 45.5.

He's not a good defender. He's not a good passer. He's a ball hog. Really the best thing he's got going for him is that he's best friends with Dame.
 
riverman said:
CJ is going to shut up the trade talk soon enough...book it. He'll take over a string of games and get in a groove.
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what makes you think that? Do you believe posters here are so stupid they can't remember past the last 6 games? Or is it possible that their opinions on CJ have actually been formed over the last 4+ seasons and 330 games? In the years when he's spent times in his grooves and times not in his grooves...while consistently being a ball-stopper and poor defender, grooved or ungrooved.
 
wizenheimer said:
what makes you think that? Do you believe posters here are so stupid they can't remember past the last 6 games? Or is it possible that their opinions on CJ have actually been formed over the last 4+ seasons and 330 games? In the years when he's spent times in his grooves and times not in his grooves...while consistently being a ball-stopper and poor defender, grooved or ungrooved.
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And the really interesting thing is that Dame has evolved so much over the past seven seasons. He's a better defender, a better passer, and consistently an amazing leader.

CJ is the same dude that he was four years ago.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And the really interesting thing is that Dame has evolved so much over the past seven seasons. He's a better defender, a better passer, and consistently an amazing leader.

CJ is the same dude that he was four years ago.
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I would argue he's worse. If trends continue, this season will be the 4th season in a row where his assist % has fallen. It's now 13.6% as opposed to 13.8% last year and 21.6% (!!!!) in 2015-16. He's also putting up the worst turnover percentage of his career at 12.7% and having the highest usage % of his career at 28%. He's been brutal this season outside of one game and there's no sugarcoating how bad his play has hurt the team.
 
One thing though you got to remember. CJ goes through streaks. Always has probably always will. That being said. At this point of the season he can have three good games and put himself right in the middle of that graph. However.... He can stink up the following three games and put himself right back where he is now. Just sayin.
 
kjironman1 said:
One thing though you got to remember. CJ goes through streaks. Always has probably always will. That being said. At this point of the season he can have three good games and put himself right in the middle of that graph. However.... He can stink up the following three games and put himself right back where he is now. Just sayin.
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And I'm just not a fan of that, because it comes at the expense of the team. He's a chucker.

I would, at this point, much rather have Ant starting at the two.
 
kjironman1 said:
One thing though you got to remember. CJ goes through streaks. Always has probably always will. That being said. At this point of the season he can have three good games and put himself right in the middle of that graph. However.... He can stink up the following three games and put himself right back where he is now. Just sayin.
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There is no way for him to shoot up to the middle of the graph vertically, only horizontally.
 
CJ is who he is, a scorer who doesnt do much else very well and makes a lot of money. He's a good teammate, friends with Lillard, and is right in his prime. Everyone in the league knows this as well, so what are you going to do with him? What does MN do with Andrew Wiggins? Whats the market for him? I wouldnt be opposed (never have been) to trading him, I'm not sure what you would get back, but if you can plug in Simons at the 2 and get more of a need back, you do it. I still think he's a really good player, but unfortunately CJ thinks he's a REALLY good player.
 
I think McCollum could really help some teams. He really helps the Blazers when Lillard is out.
The problem is Simons is never going to be a star coming off the bench, and he shows potential to be one. He could be the high efficiency shooter that would be great alongside Lillard.
 
hoopsjock said:
There is no way for him to shoot up to the middle of the graph vertically, only horizontally.
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So now you gonna try to tell me he cannot get a number of steals and a few blocked shots and some defensive rebounds and not move up the graph vertically? Maybe i'm reading it wrong but how exactly did Baze get where he is? If this is actually team numbers while on the court then are you also going to tell me there is no way for him to move up the chart vertically? They are 6 games into the season. Please tell me how these numbers cannot change in the next 6 games?
 
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kjironman1 said:
So now you gonna try to tell me he cannot get a number of steals and a few blocked shots and some defensive rebounds and not move up the graph vertically? Maybe i'm reading it wrong but how exactly did Baze get where he is? If this is actually team numbers while on the court then are you also going to tell me there is no way for him to move up the chart vertically? They are 6 games into the season. Please tell me how these numbers cannot change in the next 6 games?
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CJ has never been close to the middle line vertically in this graph for his whole career. I will be the first to give you credit if it happens after I pick my jaw up off the floor but he's not a good enough defender to ever have to worry about having to do that.
 
hoopsjock said:
CJ has never been close to the middle line vertically in this graph for his whole career. I will be the first to give you credit if it happens after I pick my jaw up off the floor but he's not a good enough defender to ever have to worry about having to do that.
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Oh I understand then. I thought it actually couldn’t happen? I agree it probably will not. Actually I agree it won’t happen. CJ just is not going to change.
 
If the Blazers were going to trade CJ I'd be looking at Kriss Middleton.
 
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